Nolan's The Odyssey - Potentially could be epic or an epic flop.

[Overly Serious]

mizrahi jews exist my man.

Yes. And I wrote "Ashkenazi Jews" specifically for that reason. Mizrahi jews are a collection of descents across a wide region, also. Again, modern light-skinned Arabs like the Palestinians are the closest to what you would find in this region in Jesus's day.

 

[Otterly]

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The face that launched a thousand snips …

 

[Wujime]

Because modern day Palestinian people are closer genetically to the people of the region back then than Ashkenazi Jews are. We don't know what Jesus looked like, assuming he existed (which is likely). But something like a light-skinned Arab is the most probable racial base.

The biblical Jesus is very likely a composite figure of 3-4 people. Granted, they all most likely came from the same genetic pool, but I feel it's foolish to think of the historical Jesus(es) as coinciding with the religious one. It would be like thinking of mermaid and manatees as the same thing. For this reason I wouldn't be entirely opposed to the Odyssey casting to be so liberal when it comes to the more exotic characters, but black people as Greek queens really just doesn't work. The wiggleroom is just exhausted when you move away from one of the three big clusters, it becomes as ridiculous as casting John Cena as a 5 year old girl.

 

[Kwisatz00]

Devil's advocate.
Maybe since Helen was the key to the Spartan throne, her beauty was meant in a sarcastic way. She was actually ugly as fuck, but power makes someone "beautiful". Homer was the original shitposter.
Paris had jungle fever.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Yes. And I wrote "Ashkenazi Jews" specifically for that reason. Mizrahi jews are a collection of descents across a wide region, also. Again, modern light-skinned Arabs like the Palestinians are the closest to what you would find in this region in Jesus's day.

Nah, most Palestinian aren't native to the area at all, being Bedouin that wound up in the area. The different breeds of Jews are mainly due to infidelity/rape with the surrounding populace over 2000 years.

So the closest are Jews that lived around Greeks/Italians or the Greeks/Italians themselves, since most of the Mediterranean tribes that lived back there went extinct by the Muslim hordes.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

The face that launched a thousand snips …

The face that launched a thousand rafts without lifevests

 

[Clown College 2nd Year]

Lupita Nyongo or whatever her stupid name is couldn't get me to take out the trash let alone launch a thousand ships. I still think this will do well at the box office because of Nolan's inertia but we'll see if we're at the turning point.

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

There aren't well preserved epics from African or even American cultures? What about you engage their folklore and culture respectfully, on their own terms and without mystifying it, and make some damn new stuff instead of destroying someone else's history? Like King Solomon's Mines is a product of its time but is damn near revolutionary on its treatment of the native African population and that was written in 1885.

Niggas ain’t ready for the Huwhite-washed version of the Epic of Mwindo.

It doesn’t matter if it’s Congolese or whatever, in fact Whites were the original Congolese if you wanna know the truth about it.

 

[Otterly]

The face that launched a thousand rafts without lifevests

Not quite the topless towers we’d hoped for, covered in mastectomy scars…

Lupita Nyongo or whatever her stupid name is couldn't get me to take out the trash let alone launch a thousand ships. I still think this will do well at the box office because of Nolan's inertia but we'll see if we're at the turning point.

They’ve also really uglied her up. She’s not a bad looking girl at all. She’s a Luo, who are Kenyan and Nilotic in origin.
Shes totally wrong for the role, and she looks awful in the shots I’ve seen when she’s not bad looking. I dont know why Hollywood does this (well, I do…)

 

[Tasty Tatty]

The only ships launched by her face are these:



The absolute face of Africans feeling entitled to European lifestyle and history.

 

[Toxic BRAAAAP Mask]

https://www.imdb.com/news/ni65851619/?ref_=nmnw_art_perm

Most educated Mexico-African amerimutt

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Why would you ever say this with the controversy surrounding it? This is purposeful.

Spoiler: article text

Lupita Nyong'o was unfamiliar with the story of The Odyssey.

The 43-year-old actress portrays the dual role of Helen of Troy and Clytemnestra in Christopher Nolan's upcoming epic but explained that she had to familiarise herself with Homer's ancient Greek literature, which serves as the source material for the movie.

Speaking to ELLE magazine, Lupita said: "I really had no idea what The Odyssey was. I was like, 'Oh, snap, I don’t know the first thing about this.' So it was a crash course. I picked up the books and read them immediately. I have this film to thank for my Greek mythological education."

Nyong'o also relished the chance of getting to work with acclaimed director Nolan and was impressed at how much the Oppenheimer filmmaker involved the cast in aspects of the production process.

The 12 Years a Slave star said: "He has quite an enigmatic persona, but working with him was so accessible. He’s really great with actors. I felt supported. I felt challenged. And what I love most about his approach is that he really wants to know what the actors think. He really gives us the responsibility and the authority to advocate for our characters. You’re very much a part of consultations about hair, makeup, wardrobe, all of that."

Lupita has faced racist critiques after being cast as Helen of Troy - known as "the face that launched a thousand ships" - but is paying little attention to what her detractors say.

The Oscar-winning actress said: "I’m very supportive of Chris’ intention with it and with the version of this story that he is telling. Our cast is representative of the world. I’m not spending my time thinking of a defence. The criticism will exist whether I engage with it or not.

"It’s quite something to be a part of The Odyssey, because it is so grand. It spans worlds. So that’s why the cast is what it is. We’re occupying the epic narrative of our time."

Nyong'o explained that it is impossible to "perform beauty" and that she based her depiction of Helen of Troy in The Odyssey - which will be released in July and also stars Matt Damon, Tom Holland and Anne Hathaway - on Nolan's script.

She said: "You can’t perform beauty. I want to know who a character is. What is beyond beauty? What is beyond looks? That’s the thing about doing such a well-known text, which has been studied and interpreted and derived from. The research could be endless. The good thing about working with a writer like Chris is that it’s on the page. The investigation starts with the pages you’re given. That’s what I based it on."

The July/August issue of ELLE UK is on sale from 18 June.

The full interview with Lupita Nyong'o can be read at https://www.elle.com/uk/the-odyssey/

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Lupita's 43 years old. About 30 years old, when she was in school, we still had the classics being taught in most schools.

Being in your 40s and saying you've never heard of the Odyssey or the Iliad is basically saying "I am ignorant moron". You don't even need to read it to know what's about.

 

[Toxic BRAAAAP Mask]

Lupita's 43 years old. About 30 years old, when she was in school, we still had the classics being taught in most schools.

Being in your 40s and saying you've never heard of the Odyssey or the Iliad is basically saying "I am ignorant moron". You don't even need to read it to know what's about.

Idk how you get into Yale's School of Drama without having heard of the most famous epic to have ever existed. That should be a natural extension from Shakespeare and such.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Idk how you get into Yale's School of Drama without having heard of the most famous epic to have ever existed. That should be a natural extension from Shakespeare and such.

Yep, I had to check - her father is also a college professor, she went to Hampshire College and graduating in theatre and film studies. She's just making herself sound like an idiot.

Though to be fair, the headline is of course a bit misleading:

Speaking to ELLE magazine, Lupita said: "I really had no idea what The Odyssey was. I was like, 'Oh, snap, I don’t know the first thing about this.' So it was a crash course. I picked up the books and read them immediately. I have this film to thank for my Greek mythological education."

So she's just (hopefully) being a bit facetious about never heard of it and it was more that she's just never bothered reading it before and needed to familiarize herself with the material.

 

[Toxic BRAAAAP Mask]

I'm still not sure how any publicist would let her say anything easily criticizable unless that's their whole marketing goal. If it is, it hasn't been working for the other 100s of times they've treid to do it.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

There is a chance she's saying that to be relatable to the people who haven't read it either so they don't feel like the movie will be smarter than them, which is a truly dumb approach to story telling. My youngest kids didn't read the Odyssey when they first watched the Hallmark version and they followed the story just fine.