NoFap / Semen Retention - And all related autism.

[Markass the Worst]

New fag question: What does infected mean?

It means a member of the community we're watching has invaded the thread. In this case @My Earnest Opinions who can't stop powerlevelling about his nofapping.

If more members invade then it goes from Diseased to Plagued.

 

[Android raptor]

Tangentially related but I've noticed the term "porn addict" getting tossed around by tradcels to refer to anyone that looks at any kind of porn (including drawn) a normal amount. There's a different between looking at/jerking off to anime tiddies maybe once or twice a week and being a porn addict. I wonder how many are just LARPing as prude conservaboomers and how many are projecting their personal porn addiction onto everyone.

It's especially weird when shit like r/gooncaves exists. Now those are porn addicts.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

"porn addict"

And before Current Year, that being tossed around like it is now wasn't really a thing.

Maybe it's a combo of "social media" and Clown World that can make porn mess people up?

 

[Android raptor]

And before Current Year, that being tossed around like it is now wasn't really a thing.

Maybe it's a combo of "social media" and Clown World that can make porn mess people up?

I think it's moreso some people have addictive personalities and conditions that predispose them to sex/porn addiction. Hypersexuality is a symptom of bipolar, for example.

I'm sure porn addicts existed before the internet even if they weren't as common.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I'm sure porn addicts existed before the internet even if they weren't as common.

It did, but it seems porn addiction is focused on more since sometime after Current Year started, and especially since 2020.

And yeah, porn is not always addicting.

 

[Android raptor]

And yeah, porn is not always addicting.

I figure most people that look at porn are normies that aren't addicted, same as how most people aren't food addicts. Becoming an addict requires something more.

It's just that poorly-socialized, overly online spergs aren't capable of not thinking in extremes.

 

[Maldavius Figtree]

I've noticed the term "porn addict" getting tossed around by tradcels to refer to anyone that looks at any kind of porn (including drawn) a normal amount.

The „normal amount“ is zero. Porn is a fairly new invention - talking about the hypernatural, or at least realistic modern form here, not some nude or sex paintings of ye olde - and I think there’s by now enough research that porn does indeed fry your brain.
It’s a bit like talking about „taking a normal amount of drugs“.

That being said, I noticed an interesting dialectic in these discussions. On the one hand, people will always tell you that nofap is crazy and just stop jerking off if you want to, and you’ve got to be an insane loser to become addicted to porn…
And on the other hand nobody believes you when you tell them you never watch porn or jerk off.

 

[Android raptor]

The „normal amount“ is zero. Porn is a fairly new invention - talking about the hypernatural, or at least realistic modern form here, not some nude or sex paintings of ye olde - and I think there’s by now enough research that porn does indeed fry your brain.
It’s a bit like talking about „taking a normal amount of drugs“.

Porn has existed in some form for as long as humans have existed and even porn photos/recordings aren't exactly new (they've existed pretty much as long as photography and film has).

That's some violent video games causes school shootings logic.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

That's some violent video games causes school shootings logic.

I think he meant modern porn (as in live action videos and photos) isn't "normal" -- at least or especially via internet -- as such wasn't a thing until the modern world.

I'm skeptical that such always "fries the brain" though.

 

[Android raptor]

I think he meant modern porn (as in live action videos and photos) isn't "normal" -- at least or especially on the internet -- as it wasn't a thing until the modern world.

It's still been a thing for over 100 years at this point. Humans are horny, of course they'd use film and photography for horny purposes pretty much the instant those things were invented.

Even if you were to magically ban that kind of porn from the internet, something would take its place immediately.

I think certain types don't want to take accountability for their own actions and problems and try to blame porn as an excuse. An extreme example is Ted Bundy.

 

[Maldavius Figtree]

It's still been a thing for over 100 years at this point.

100 years is nothing on an evolutional timescale. And up until one generation ago, it was not possible for children and adolescents with still very high neuroplasticity to get this easily lost in a flood of full HD 60fps ever-escalating hardcore pornography.
That is different from renaissance paintings with titties on it, or even some lewd tapestry drawings.

Go talk to some experts that have been around for a few decades. GP offices are flooded by dudes with erectile dysfunction, social workers see a sharp rise in literal children raping each other (something that just didn’t happen 20 years ago), and about the psychological welfare of the western world nothing needs to be said. Every single troon started with porn.

Even if you were to magically ban that kind of porn from the internet, something would take its place immediately.

Doesn’t have anything to do with the issue being discussed. Maybe it would, maybe not. „Let’s not do something about this bad thing because another bad thing might eventually come up“ is a retarded take.

That's some violent video games causes school shootings logic.

Don’t worry nobody is going to take your vidya.

 

[Android raptor]

100 years is nothing on an evolutional timescale. And up until one generation ago, it was not possible for children and adolescents with still very high neuroplasticity to get this easily lost in a flood of full HD 60fps ever-escalating hardcore pornography.
That is different from renaissance paintings with titties on it, or even some lewd tapestry drawings

Up until relatively recently in history, children and adolescents were forced to do everything from fight in wars to hard, dangerous labor to marry adult men. I'd say shit is overall better for kids now than it was previously in history even if it isn't perfect.

Go talk to some experts that have been around for a few decades. GP offices are flooded by dudes with erectile dysfunction, social workers see a sharp rise in literal children raping each other (something that just didn’t happen 20 years ago), and about the psychological welfare of the western world nothing needs to be said.

Kids engaging in age-inappropriate sexual behavior is one of the big warning signs of CSA and has been for decades. If kids are raping each other, more than likely those kids are being sexually abused by an adult or older child in their lives. It's also sadly not a new thing either.

If the psychological welfare of the western world or whatever is so bad, you're always free to move elsewhere. There are even countries where porn is still illegal. Interestingly enough, those countries tend to be oppressive shitholes where women and children are treated even worse than in the west.

Kids shouldn't be looking and hardcore porn, and can't unless their parents are paying zero attention to what their kids are doing online and not even bothering to install a filter. That's also a key part of the issue the tradcel types don't acknowledge, kids aren't going to be looking at any porn if the parents are actually doing their jobs and not giving the kid unsupervised, unfiltered internet access.

This is also an 18+ website kids aren't supposed to be on. If a kid stumbled onto this site, would you say it's the fault of the site, or the kids parents for not paying attention to what their kid is doing online?

Again, it all just seems like people are blaming porn as an excuse so they don't have to own up to their own bad choices and problems.

To swing this back over to nofap, I wouldn't be surprised if some nofap types are former denizens of gooncaves. It seems like the kind of thing where people would just pivot to the other extreme.

 

[Maldavius Figtree]

Your arguments are all over the place. I merely said that porn is unhealthy and you’re going off on all kinds of unrelated tangents. Keep on stroking it, nobody here is trying to take this away from you.

 

[Android raptor]

Your arguments are all over the place. I merely said that porn is unhealthy and you’re going off on all kinds of unrelated tangents. Keep on stroking it, nobody here is trying to take this away from you.

It can be unhealthy if it develops into an addiction. So can food. That doesn't mean moderate consumption will harm an adult (unless it's like CP or something else that involves real people being harmed instead of material w/consenting adults or fictional drawings/writing). That's the thing the NoFap/tradcel/etc types don't seem to understand because they only think in extremes.

If what they believed was true, you'd think countries where porn is still banned would be peaceful utopias free of sex crimes where women and children are safe. That is not even remotely the case (also people still look at porn there, as people did in the US when there were stricter laws against porn).

 

[Executive Petrel]

pr0n is cucked.

 

[Axiom.]

Wow, I never would think a thread would be on this subject but I am going to be breaking forum guidelines a bit but I was part of the NoFap community for several years and yeah...it's not great. Here's my experience.

When I was a young adult I found the NoFap community by a youtuber by the name of Amazing Dan. He's like a manosphere lite where he preaches about the gym, fucking, and getting money up. When I found out about his program which I fell for, he said for a measly 200 DOLLARS I will get a very legit program to break my porn habits and fix my own life and me being a naive fucker, I bought it and it was just self reflection shit and essentially to download a porn blocker. It came with affirmations, tasks, self reflection prompts and said it was better than a therapist which could be true but it was trying to be this full shit is gonna get you to be a virgin to fucking 5 bitches a day at least. I gave up on it but from a few things I picked up were that NoFap is about feminism and it's by multiple people.

The commonness about NoFap is to break porn habits and to respect the wamens. BUT from what the program has said that the creator himself were his goals and his goals were essentially to fuck and fuck harder and in the description he said it was now business related but never updated the video. During "meditation" he said he was thinking about ex from apparently months ago and told stories about fucking bitches. I gave up on the program was because I was past day 90 and I was a horny fuck with no bitches. He also said to tell your parents about your masturbation and porn habits.

After that, I went on to the subreddit, porn blocker forum, and downloaded kik for group chats so I can talk to my brethren. The forum was full of dudes thirsting after women and how much they feel bad for touching their serpent, the subreddit demonized anyone who offered alternatives, and the kik group had dudes that said it was for zen wisdom, wanting to lose their v cards, or how much they want a family and all that shit.

I gave up on Nofap because I opened my eyes to what I was doing to my body because I was a horny fuck that was desperate for pussy that I went to trying to get any pussy that will look at me in the eye but it never taught me how to talk to women like a regular person and couldn't see past my dick and felt ashamed to whenever I didn't get there. Anyways, yeah Nofap was bullshit and every young adult is doing that thinking pussy will go to them when in actuality, you have to go to them. It's all for sex and not because of this self improvement bullshit and yes, incels and MGTOWs are rampant in those circles and how much they wanna fuck women like the coomers they are trying to avoid and make fun of.

Give me all the TMIs and Autistic stickers in the world but it's just full of young adults who didn't grow up with proper guidance and I was one of them.

 

[Space Police]

While it's good that these men are trying to stop watch porn, most Nofappers will fail because they're doing it in the most retarded way possible. I agree that they're jumping from one bad extreme to another (and these Nofappers' addictions are extreme -- there are regular posts on the subreddit about them deleting TERABYTES of saved porn), but not in the case of their porn viewing habits; no amount of porn-viewing is healthy or ethical in my opinion. Instead, they're trying to go from the extreme of being weak men controlled by their immediate sexual desires to the other extreme being muscular, religious gigachad alpha males. They think there's no inbetween, so when they fail to meet the unrealistic goals they set for themselves, they will relapse. They have this obsession over magical things like muh superpowers and muh masculinity demons, so they fail because their recovery isn't based in reality. They also love to talk about exercise and meditation; while those things can be helpful, it's not necessary to become a sculpted gigachad to be porn-free, and meditation often becomes narcissistic navel-gazing and a glorified naughty step for these men.

The truth is that no amount of pushups and praying/meditation will fix a porn addiction. It can only be fixed if you internalize that watching porn is morally abhorrent -- not because skydaddy will send you to hell for it, or because it's masculinity-eroding cuckoldry, but because it eroticizes the abuse and humiliation of women, which makes it no different from, say, watching ISIS beheadings for comedy. Additionally, these men need to stop autistically obsessing over getting a girlfriend and having sex. They need to understand that they aren't losers if they don't ever get girlfriends, and that being a virgin doesn't mean you have to be a zen monk to not be a loser (again, jumping from one extreme to another). They basically need to learn that cool people aren't the ones with people who tell them they're cool, but the ones who are happy on their own, unapologetically do what's right for them, and don't care what others think of them. Perhaps it would serve these men well to find an autistic obsession they truly enjoy and can immerse themselves into; most porn-free men nowadays don't watch porn because they have time-consuming hobbies and interests they would rather spend time on than porn.

 

[Android raptor]

watching porn is morally abhorrent -- not because skydaddy will send you to hell for it, or because it's masculinity-eroding cuckoldry, but because it eroticizes the abuse and humiliation of women, which makes it no different from, say, watching ISIS beheadings for comedy.

Even if that were the case for all types of porn (which it's not, especially porn created by and for women like drawings of anime dudes having gay sex), these types don't give a single fuck about women or preventing harm to them. The end goal of nofap types is to get a tradwife fuckmommy who will act as a living fleshlight whenever they're horny so they don't have to jack off.

A couple decades ago these guys would be the JimBob Duggars of the world and other religious sex pests that openly think spousal rape is no biggie and may or may not be molesting their daughters. These types are also notorious for being actual porn addicts on the down-low despite claiming to think porn is the day-vil. There's a reason porn consumption still goes on in theocracies where porn is illegal (and women and children are treated even worse than they are in the west).

I'm not sure if it's possible to teach these types that women are people instead of subhumans that exist solely to cater to their desires, but at the very least swinging in the opposite extreme doesn't make them better people or less likely to harm women and children.

 

[A-Stump]

I figure most people that look at porn are normies that aren't addicted, same as how most people aren't food addicts. Becoming an addict requires something more.

It's just that poorly-socialized, overly online spergs aren't capable of not thinking in extremes.

If you see people bitching non-stop about porn, like it's the only thing on their mind, they are 110% junkies for it. It's like the senators who rail against fags or the dudes who get caught with CSAM. If the subject is on your mind that much, I'm going to go ahead and guess it's a matter of extreme self loathing or misdirection. Simple as.

 

[Maldavius Figtree]

less likely to harm women

I suspect porn addicts, nofappers, incels and other misogynistic nerds are incredibly underrepresented among rapists. Try looking among the conventionally attractive and successful instead - frat houses for example are rape dens.