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Wonder if the acclaim Elden Ring received had anything to do with the delay, given how many people online are saying that it fixed a lot of BOTW's apparent "problems" and the like.
 
@Marissa Moira You're failing to recognize that Breath of the Wild 2 will represent the start of the second half of the Switch's life. Now, unlike you and your flip-flopping and goal-post-chucking, I think there will be another revision of the Switch at some point in the future akin to the New 3DS, which was more than just a screen upgrade like the Switch OLED. Nintendo's install base right now is enormous and only growing. They have been able to continue to be able to put consoles into homes despite chip shortages and COVIDS and political upheval. There is no reason to start over again from zero with a new console. Especially with the uncertainty in the current and future market.

Furthermore, I do not think this new Switch variant will have the same market-splitting issue that the N3DS had and which ultimately destroyed SEGA. I think this new Switch model will offer enhanced visuals and performance, but those games designed to utilize the new system would still work on the older system. To me this seems to be necessary. You cannot split the install base in the current and seemingly future market. Things are too volatile to willingly discard an install base you've already built up in order to start over again with an expensive piece of hardware in what will very likely be a recession economy by next year and beyond. Now I could be wrong, Nintendo do love to bull ahead and make dumb decisions. And maybe the markets will improve! But I do not expect a new Switch variant to split the install base like the N3DS did considering that there is now no longer a dual market for Nintendo's handheld and home hardware. And I do not expect the entertainment (movies, theme parks, toys) to be producing enough revenue to count as a meaningful fallback in case of a failure in the electronics division.

You will see the release of Breath of the Wild 2 start the second half of the Switch lifecycle. That is also what I see this expanded development time being proof of. Zelda comes out and during that year you can expect to hear more from Metroid Prime 4 or perhaps even a proper release after buildup later this year. You'll have Bayonetta 3 resurfacing, probably a new Mario game plus a secondary Mario game, and very likely a couple re-releases for older games that people want to see. The back catalog on the Virtual Console systems will be further expanded as well as the continued releases of new tracks and content for Mario Kart. The added value propositions for Ninetndo Online should theoretically continue to improve Already you have the fundamental groundwork laid out for a complete new cycle. Add into that we probably are not going to be seeing the release of Advance Wars this year (though I really hope I'm wrong here); I would bet that the extra time in the oven is going to yield the release of what is already complete, plus extra content or a somewhat rapid sequel to AW: Reboot Camp. There's also a wide opening for another Fire Emblem game by 2024 and for the love of god we need more (new) Famicom Detective Club games. And I'm going to die on this hill: you haven't seen the last word from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

The path seems very clearly laid out to me that your enhanced goal post of a "new Switch console" is probably correct. It will not split the market but will offer a reasonable improvement for those that are interested while further-bolstering the unit sales of the Switch family; perhaps even allowing Nintendo to retake the "most consoles sold" record from Sony. I'm sure they would like to do that, especially after how close the 3DS was to beating out the PlayStation 2.

Nintendo is going to be sticking with the Switch for the foreseeable future, in my opinion. I feel very confident in this and also feel as if I've laid out a compelling route forward that will likely mirror the one Nintendo travels.

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Radical Cadre said:
@Marissa Moira You're failing to recognize that Breath of the Wild 2 will represent the start of the second half of the Switch's life. Now, unlike you and your flip-flopping and goal-post-chucking, I think there will be another revision of the Switch at some point in the future akin to the New 3DS, which was more than just a screen upgrade like the Switch OLED. Nintendo's install base right now is enormous and only growing. They have been able to continue to be able to put consoles into homes despite chip shortages and COVIDS and political upheval. There is no reason to start over again from zero with a new console. Especially with the uncertainty in the current and future market.

Furthermore, I do not think this new Switch variant will have the same market-splitting issue that the N3DS had and which ultimately destroyed SEGA. I think this new Switch model will offer enhanced visuals and performance, but those games designed to utilize the new system would still work on the older system. To me this seems to be necessary. You cannot split the install base in the current and seemingly future market. Things are too volatile to willingly discard an install base you've already built up in order to start over again with an expensive piece of hardware in what will very likely be a recession economy by next year and beyond. Now I could be wrong, Nintendo do love to bull ahead and make dumb decisions. And maybe the markets will improve! But I do not expect a new Switch variant to split the install base like the N3DS did considering that there is now no longer a dual market for Nintendo's handheld and home hardware. And I do not expect the entertainment (movies, theme parks, toys) to be producing enough revenue to count as a meaningful fallback in case of a failure in the electronics division.

You will see the release of Breath of the Wild 2 start the second half of the Switch lifecycle. That is also what I see this expanded development time being proof of. Zelda comes out and during that year you can expect to hear more from Metroid Prime 4 or perhaps even a proper release after buildup later this year. You'll have Bayonetta 3 resurfacing, probably a new Mario game plus a secondary Mario game, and very likely a couple re-releases for older games that people want to see. The back catalog on the Virtual Console systems will be further expanded as well as the continued releases of new tracks and content for Mario Kart. The added value propositions for Ninetndo Online should theoretically continue to improve Already you have the fundamental groundwork laid out for a complete new cycle. Add into that we probably are not going to be seeing the release of Advance Wars this year (though I really hope I'm wrong here); I would bet that the extra time in the oven is going to yield the release of what is already complete, plus extra content or a somewhat rapid sequel to AW: Reboot Camp. There's also a wide opening for another Fire Emblem game by 2024 and for the love of god we need more (new) Famicom Detective Club games. And I'm going to die on this hill: you haven't seen the last word from Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

The path seems very clearly laid out to me that your enhanced goal post of a "new Switch console" is probably correct. It will not split the market but will offer a reasonable improvement for those that are interested while further-bolstering the unit sales of the Switch family; perhaps even allowing Nintendo to retake the "most consoles sold" record from Sony. I'm sure they would like to do that, especially after how close the 3DS was to beating out the PlayStation 2.

Nintendo is going to be sticking with the Switch for the foreseeable future, in my opinion. I feel very confident in this and also feel as if I've laid out a compelling route forward that will likely mirror the one Nintendo travels.

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Between the nvidia leaks, zelda postponement, and a new mario kart in development.

Nah the holy trinity has revealed itself and a new upgraded switch is imminent. Backwards compatibility is a given at this point, so it's not like all your old games are suddenly no good.

Having a beefier switch is something that's pretty much needed at this point, already more new nextgen RPGs were revealed this month with no switch port in sight.

LightDragonman1 said:
Wonder if the acclaim Elden Ring received had anything to do with the delay, given how many people online are saying that it fixed a lot of BOTW's apparent "problems" and the like.
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If they have not been able to release a new game in 5 years, adding an extra year to development time to change course won't do shit and you're going to wind up fucking up 5 years worth of work. Elden Ring was designed to be an open world souls games and it just expanded the Souls level design onto an open world. Zelda has a different level design and philosophy behind it, adding soulsborne shit to Zelda last minute will do it no services. You'll wind up with a Final Fantasy 15 style mess that way.
 
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a new mario kart in development.
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Can't quote you @Marissa Moira. @Null what's up with random posts not being quotable?

A new Mario Kart in devopment doesn't make sense with your time frame though. Especially with the MK8 Deluxe DLC coming out for the next two years like the guy said. The Mario Kart DLC seems like the biggest nail in your theory's coffin. Maybe you end up being right but that would seem like blind luck rather than a well reasoned piece of speculation.

The upgraded Switch does make sense. But as others have said you only just changed your argument to that.
 
Mike Stoklasa said:
Can't quote you @Marissa Moira. @Null what's up with random posts not being quotable?

A new Mario Kart in devopment doesn't make sense with your time frame though. Especially with the MK8 Deluxe DLC coming out for the next two years like the guy said. The Mario Kart DLC seems like the biggest nail in your theory's coffin. Maybe you end up being right but that would seem like blind luck rather than a well reasoned piece of speculation.

The upgraded Switch does make sense. But as others have said you only just changed your argument to that.
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Mario kart hasn't been a launch title though.

Mario Kart 8 came out 2 years later after the wii-u launched. The Deluxe version came out for the Switch, but the game was already 3-4 years old at that point. Not only that the initial DLC that 8 Deluxe came with was also released prior on the wii-u. The Phone game stuff being ported doesn't look like a real major undertaking, it's looking closer to something that's just filler. If the Switch Sequel is backwards compatible that also makes the old DLC work with the newer system, which would not negate 8 Deluxe getting the phone game courses. A new Mario kart 9 probably won't happen in 2023 but maybe in 2024 or 2025.

Both the PS5 and Xbox Series X had situations like this where a game had DLC released before the systems were out and the DLC finished releasing after the newer systems were out. You had games like Final Fantasy 14, Genshin Impact, GTA 5, ESO, and many others work like this.
 
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My question is why announce this now instead of at E3 in 3 months? Why didn't they do this with the last direct?

Could there be some sort of announcement at E3 that necessitates dampening the disappointment of a BOTW2 delay? Or is this E3 just going to be super disappointing in general?
 
ProblematicUser420 said:
My question is why announce this now instead of at E3 in 3 months? Why didn't they do this with the last direct?

Could there be some sort of announcement at E3 that necessitates dampening the disappointment of a BOTW2 delay? Or is this E3 just going to be super disappointing in general?
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I'm pretty sure there is not going to be an E3 this year, at least, last I heard. Nintendo may still do their own digital event, like they do every year, but it won't be part of E3. And this is not the type of announcement you make at that event. That event is for hyping people up, not dragging them down.
 
ProblematicUser420 said:
My question is why announce this now instead of at E3 in 3 months? Why didn't they do this with the last direct?
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It is the sort of announcement that isn't exactly a huge deal but it will make big news that will overshadow other announcements that the company probably deems to be more important. The press will run with a negative story and make more revenue off of it than a positive one, so why give them the opportunity? I am also one of those people of the opinion that E3 is not really going to happen this year (and hopefully it never happens again); but that span of time is customary for big announcements so there will still be a flurry of news. I am sure Nintendo would rather people focus on how good Game A or Game B looks rather than the fact that Game A was just delayed.

In short: E3 is when you want people talking about the cool stuff they are seeing and not when you want people talking about the delays they were just handed.

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I sure hope they'll grace us with ports of Wind Waker HD & Twilight Princess HD to make up for this delay.

I don't give a shit if they'll lack touchscreen support, that stuff's convenient at best. Don't let that keep them locked to a dead console.
 
I'm pretty disappointed about the delay, was hoping 2022 would be the year for BOTW2 finally.

But hey, gives us something to look forward to, I like how the western development scene is completely going to shit, the whole world is going to shit, but there's the bright, colorful and exciting world of Nintendo to offer us some much needed escape from the hell on Earth that is the 2020s.

Bing bing, wahoo!


Vault Boy said:
I sure hope they'll grace us with ports of Wind Waker HD & Twilight Princess HD to make up for this delay.

I don't give a shit if they'll lack touchscreen support, that stuff's convenient at best. Don't let that keep them locked to a dead console.
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I would love that.
 
>me still sitting here wondering what Xenoblade Chronicles 3 will look like after Kirby is done stealing the shine
>now seeing BOTW 2 delayed
>again

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Vault Boy said:
It's been three years since Retro Studios took over, how much longer could they possibly need for that game?
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Same answer as with Zelda: as much as they want. I have other stuff to play while I wait and not dying isn't super hard yet because I'm not old and/or sick.

All you cancer patients can get wrecked though. You're fucked.
 
The fact that Nintendo's letting Retro reveal art assets for Prime 4 (and that Dread has been out for a bit) means that the actual reveal for Prime 4 is going to be sooner rather than later. Dread's existence is likely why we've heard next to nothing about Prime 4 despite plenty of time passing to allow for a trailer or update. Metroid isn't the kind of series that can support multiple releases at once (anymore, RIP the GC days) and it definitely doesn't need to be stealing its own sales.

It won't come out this year, but it'll likely be out next year with the big gameplay reveal coming E3 or the winter Direct. Mark your calendars, ladies and germs. I've never made a prediction like this so I've technically never been wrong.
 
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