Nintendo Fanbase Stupidity General - Rants on the explosive fanbase

[Alexander Thaut]

Pretty much summed up all the issues.
Sadly the issue is not new. New Leaf was what started the slide as that game was the one that placed villagers into categories based on personality types. I feel like this is the trend with many of Nintendo’s franchises. Most are changing in the advent of the 3DS to Switch, and you either get on board or not. Sometimes it works like with Mario Odyssey and Breath of The Wild becoming open world, and sometimes you get Animal Crossing which feels like it lacks a lot of the original’s charm. Other times it is conflicted such with Smash or Fire Emblem.

Personally, I see Mario and Zelda as transitioning the best, regardless of how much hate they get from sectors of the fanbase (Odyssey more specifically). I like Fire Emblem personally, but I get the argument that it is not as hardcore anymore.

I think Smash is where I primarily disagree as the trends away from Brawl and Melee started by Smash 4 leaves newer titles lifeless. Ultimate is fine, Wii U is really hard to go back to and kinda always sucked, and 3DS is underrated, but none of the 3 can even compete with the second and third entries. Weird part is, I used to hate Melee, but going back has kinda given me more of an appreciation.

Other franchises going through change are Paper Mario, Pikmin, and Mario Party and Sports. Pikmin is being made too easy, Paper Mario is obvious, and the Mario spinoffs are just getting worse since the Wii.


Not necessarily. The game was hated for a good year or two because Nintendo fans wanted to force Retro to make Metroid because oh no we got a bad game and need an automatic fix. It was seen as the game that stopped Metroid from getting a new title, which shows how entitled Metroid fans can be for as much as people parade them around as victims.


Most forgot FE Warriors. It was a solid title that no one cared for, which sucks.


It is, I think I am just burnt out. Mario Kart and Smash fit that category of Nintendo titles where the magic feels gone for whatever reason. Mario Kart is more than likely due to abundance with minimal change. Antigravity really adds nothing other than a short cut here or there, so I just get bored. Once again, getting Sonic two years prior on Wii U really hurt it as Sonic just feels smoother and faster, and the levels change in crazy ways. Sonic is just a more rewarding game and now Crash has come in to do the same.

Probably a terrible comparison, but Mario Kart is starting to feel like the New Super Mario Bros. of kart racers, while Crash and Sonic are like the DKCTF and Rayman Legends.


I so badly want 3D World.

The fact that like noone cares about FE Warriors kinda leads to its price dropping bc there's a regular surplus of the game tbh.

Fire Emblem was never hardcore. It just had hardcore modes and added more accessibility overall. I will say that I've beaten all of them so that probably makes me an autist.

Yes, this includes the Tear Ring Saga game and Berwick Saga.

No, I'm not actually on the spectrum.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

Pikmin is being made too easy

Not really? Once you get purples in 2 it trivializes the majority of the game because they are that absurdly broken (even elemental hazards and enemies are fucked by the stun mechanic if you're skilled enough at timing and whistling), not to mention there is no deadline unlike the rest of the trilogy so you can go through trial and error indefinitely. And then there's the equally broken ultra-bitter spray that can cheese just about anything you come across once you amass enough of it.

Not to say 3 is suddenly more challenging (some enemies have been outright nerfed for some reason) but let's not pretend the series just suddenly got easier.

 

[Just wandering]

Not really? Once you get purples in 2 it trivializes the majority of the game because they are that absurdly broken (even elemental hazards and enemies are fucked by the stun mechanic if you're skilled enough at timing and whistling), not to mention there is no deadline unlike the rest of the trilogy so you can go through trial and error indefinitely. And then there's the equally broken ultra-bitter spray that can cheese just about anything you come across once you amass enough of it.

Not to say 3 is suddenly more challenging (some enemies have been outright nerfed for some reason) but let's not pretend the series just suddenly got easier.

counterpoint: Purple candypop flower were kinda rare. Unless you specifially farming for them you mai have less than 20 purple

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

counterpoint: Purple candypop flower were kinda rare. Unless you specifially farming for them you mai have less than 20 purple

Even 15 (which is about what you'll have once you complete a cave or two in Awakening Wood) is more than enough to clear most early caves. With careful management there's very little that can stop them beyond one hit kills situations (falling/bomb rocks and electricity are the biggest threats).

 

[CrippleThreat]

Fire Emblem was never hardcore. It just had hardcore modes and added more accessibility overall. I will say that I've beaten all of them so that probably makes me an autist.

Yes, this includes the Tear Ring Saga game and Berwick Saga.

No, I'm not actually on the spectrum.

Almost made me assume you've beaten all of those crazy, not fun difficulties (H5 in Shadow Dragon; Lunatic Reverse in NM; Lunatic+ in Awakening) as well.

That would make you autistic.

 

[round robin]

The problem with Animal Crossing is the villagers. They no longer act like people. In older titles you had to build friendships, some were mean, but over time they would get better. Villagers no longer do anything. They act like accessories, a thing to make your town look pretty. I kinda hate how Animal Crossing went from a life simulator to like a budget Minecraft. I love games that let you build things, but AC is still restrictive, so what is the incentive?

This pretty much encapsulates my issues with the new AC games. The first game actually felt like a life stimulation, but every subsequent game has stripped the village and its occupants more and more of their agency and personality. The newest game just feels like a glorified photoshop. The series became all about sharing your "look" and your house with randos online. Its basically just a big art pad. That wouldn't be so much of an issue but it makes the game so incredibly boring and tedious because every day of play is spent gathering resources so you can create the "perfect village/island."

Tl;dr the series started sucking when they started ignoring the "animal" part of animal crossing.

I want my friendly village life sim, god damn it.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Almost made me assume you've beaten all of those crazy, not fun difficulties (H5 in Shadow Dragon; Lunatic Reverse in NM; Lunatic+ in Awakening) as well.

That would make you autistic.

I attempted the crazy difficulties but lost interest after the same-turn movement ambush spawn reinforcements in the DS games and Awakening's utter bullshit Lunatic+.

It's not a good challenge if the difficulty is derived from swarms, RNG based enemy skillsets, and massive stat inflation on the enemies. I mean sure it doesn't have to be easy but at the same time, there's a limit to absolute masochism.

Keep in mind, this is the shit that the fringe autistic fans will bring up randomly and everyone just looks at them and goes "uh huh, sure you enjoyed lunatic reverse."
You know, the game mode that just forces you to use certain avatar customizations and unit reclasses to survive it.

 

[Margo Martindale]

The fact that the fanbase is so obsessive over nobodies like Geno or Shantae just shows how autistic the nintendo fanbase is. Its funny/sad how some people obsess over a minor character from a game released over 2 decades ago.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

The fact that the fanbase is so obsessive over nobodies like Geno or Shantae just shows how autistic the nintendo fanbase is. Its funny/sad how some people obsess over a minor character from a game released over 2 decades ago.

Shantae at least has games these days. I mean all her modern games are on every platform. She's not going to ever be a Smash fighter unless Nintendo somehow winds up with the IP rights being sold to them.


Geno is uhhhhh

He had one game and like what, 3 cameos? Super Mario RPG isn't a bad game by any stretch, but it's just kind of a cult classic that attracts autists.

 

[Xerxes IX]

New Leaf was what started the slide as that game was the one that placed villagers into categories based on personality types.

Somehow I feel like the smug personality (the flirty male one) exacerbated these issues. New Leaf was when trading villagers sometimes for real money began in earnest and smug villagers like Marshal and of course, in NH, Raymond are very popular for the villager trade. Not only are they 'aesthetic' or appeal to people who want to husbando the villagers, the fact that they're overly friendly from the get go is a clear sign of the transition from villagers being dynamic characters to talking decorations who are generically friendly to you.

And then there's the cranky villagers. They went from genuinely being rude and unfriendly to well, they're cranky because they're Boomers. I thought it was a huge accomplishment to befriend one in Wild World when I was a kid, now I wouldn't even bother.

The fact that the fanbase is so obsessive over nobodies like Geno or Shantae just shows how autistic the nintendo fanbase is. Its funny/sad how some people obsess over a minor character from a game released over 2 decades ago.

The sheer amounts of rage and entitlement when these obscure characters don't get added as Smash fighters is insane. It's almost like Sakurai adding more Fire Emblem characters (or "anime" characters in general) is the only way he can tell these spergs to go fuck themselves.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

The fact that the fanbase is so obsessive over nobodies like Geno or Shantae just shows how autistic the nintendo fanbase is. Its funny/sad how some people obsess over a minor character from a game released over 2 decades ago.

Geno was a Brawl meme that died years ago and is only back as a quote unquote "fan favorite" due to Ultimate adding several never-evers (Ridley, K. Rool, Banjo ect.) which left fans with him as the remaining table scrap. Seriously, go back to Smash 4's speculation era and you'll be hard-pressed to find any mention of that one off wooden doll.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

It really is not worth it, especially for Switch. It is a really basic puzzle game and the story is just “I have no idea what is going on.” I played a few levels and got bored very fast.


Pokémon is difficult as some of its shortcomings should be seen as inexcusable for a game of its caliber. I think what makes it worse is that it came out in the same year as Three Houses. Regardless of one‘s thoughts on Three Houses, you have to admit, for a cheaper produced game in a niche series it wrecks Pokémon hard. Not only is Three Houses better graphically from the 3DS entries, they also now fully rendered support conversations and continued with adding voice acting. It is 2019, how does Pokémon, a large children’s franchise, still not have voice acting? It makes most scenes very awkward.


If we are going over the quality of Wii U ports I say:

Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze is 10/10 - if you love 2D platformers, it is excellent and deserves attention from the large Switch base. This game suffered hard from being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am very joyed that it is finally getting a following

Hyrule Warriors 9/10 - If you are to get a second port, I would go for Hyrule Warriors. The game was a huge surprise in 2014 and the amount of content is massive. It was very cool of Nintendo to partner up for such a wild crossover, and it definitely delivers in being new and well made.

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is an 8/10 - Never found Mario Kart 8 to be that grand. Maybe it is because Sonic Transformed took all the luster away, but MK8 just felt super generic. This is besides the point, ultimately MK8D is a great title with a fun battle mode and tracks. I wish the characters were better, but they are certainly unique.
Honestly, I just found Wii better. MK8 just feels slow and the characters do not do it for me. After Sonic and now Crash, I vastly prefer the faster kart racer with more skill to MK8.

The rest of the ports are just okay...
Pokken is very unique and worth a try for 2D-3D fighter fans.
Captain Toad is a unique little puzzler
Tokyo Mirage is kinda a Persona lite
Pikmin 3‘s enjoyability will be defendant on if you like 1 or 2, as it is closer to 1.
New Super Mario Bros. U should have been left behind

Honestly, I just want 3D World and maybe Xenoblade X. Those two titles were highlights of the Wii U and are the last that feel deserving of a second chance.


The problem with Animal Crossing is the villagers. They no longer act like people. In older titles you had to build friendships, some were mean, but over time they would get better. Villagers no longer do anything. They act like accessories, a thing to make your town look pretty. I kinda hate how Animal Crossing went from a life simulator to like a budget Minecraft. I love games that let you build things, but AC is still restrictive, so what is the incentive?


Skip is also going down, so goodbye Chibi-Robo. We also have no idea what will come of developers that have not moved off 3DS yet. The WarioWare/Rhythm Heaven team has yet to do anything for Switch. Who knows if Mercury Steam will continue Metroid 2D titles include Switch. We have no idea, which is a problem with having the 3DS last until 2018.

Honestly I think Nintendo is just gonna stick to "safe" releases for a while, like that Pikmin 3 port, the paper mario game, the bunch of pokemon stuff we've gotten this year, etc.
Definately no oddballs like Starfox Zero porting, or another Arms game for a while lol.

Chibi-Robo never stood a chance since Nintendo refused to market it.


I did not grow up with animal crossing so I don't have any attachment to it. However, the "I just wanna fuck the dog" memes are amazing.

Somehow I feel like the smug personality (the flirty male one) exacerbated these issues. New Leaf was when trading villagers sometimes for real money began in earnest and smug villagers like Marshal and of course, in NH, Raymond are very popular for the villager trade. Not only are they 'aesthetic' or appeal to people who want to husbando the villagers, the fact that they're overly friendly from the get go is a clear sign of the transition from villagers being dynamic characters to talking decorations who are generically friendly to you.

And then there's the cranky villagers. They went from genuinely being rude and unfriendly to well, they're cranky because they're Boomers. I thought it was a huge accomplishment to befriend one in Wild World when I was a kid, now I wouldn't even bother.

The sheer amounts of rage and entitlement when these obscure characters don't get added as Smash fighters is insane. It's almost like Sakurai adding more Fire Emblem characters (or "anime" characters in general) is the only way he can tell these spergs to go fuck themselves.

Geno was a Brawl meme that died years ago and is only back as a quote unquote "fan favorite" due to Ultimate adding several never-evers (Ridley, K. Rool, Banjo ect.) which left fans with him as the remaining table scrap. Seriously, go back to Smash 4's speculation era and you'll be hard-pressed to find any mention of that one off wooden doll.

Sakurai is blessed. He loves a wide variety of games and series. Fire Emblem got its foothold globally due to Smash. It's also a series that's defined by having a metric shitload of characters where the MCs use swords.

Geno getting in isn't impossible, it's just that Sakurai used his clout to get Joker, Banjo, and Terry as DLC fighters. Banjo in particular was fucking desired. Joker/Terry not as much, but still beloved franchise reps. The others like K.Rool and Ridley seemed to be Sakurai giving fans things.

The amount of sheer entitlement some people have is crazy, considering that Geno is just wayyyyy too niche to make it in. You'd have a better chance of Paper Mario being a DLC fighter, or even Tetra from the Wind Waker games.

Or another Fire Emblem character. Watch them add in another one.

 

[-4ZURE-]

The fact that the fanbase is so obsessive over nobodies like Geno or Shantae just shows how autistic the nintendo fanbase is. Its funny/sad how some people obsess over a minor character from a game released over 2 decades ago.

Story Time!
So I was on SmashBoards a year ago when I came across this thread called ‘Sexism in Smash.’ Needless to say, it was a gigantic woke fest as some gay man throws a fit about Bayonetta and how she demeans women. I argues with him, but it became a huge thread topic in general. At one point, some women who hates Bayonetta popped in to aid. One of her favorite characters was Shantae. People obviously pointed out that Shantae is just as bad, if not worse, than Bayonetta. The character is prime fetish material, yet this girl went on about how Shantae is supposedly this empowering figure. I think she tried to argue that comedy made it okay.

I swear, the Smash community is brain-dead and will do anything for Shantae. I have no idea why either, she is not that big of a franchise and is very basic in terms of 2D platforming. I guess the label ‘Nintendo Mascot‘ passes by anyone in the community.

Somehow I feel like the smug personality (the flirty male one) exacerbated these issues. New Leaf was when trading villagers sometimes for real money began in earnest and smug villagers like Marshal and of course, in NH, Raymond are very popular for the villager trade. Not only are they 'aesthetic' or appeal to people who want to husbando the villagers, the fact that they're overly friendly from the get go is a clear sign of the transition from villagers being dynamic characters to talking decorations who are generically friendly to you.

A lot of the classic charm seems to be slowly leaving Animal Crossing. This is probably why it attracts so many women and LGBT folk. Smug personalities and centering the game around your own aesthetic has killed much of the genuine interactions.

Definately no oddballs like Starfox Zero porting, or another Arms game for a while lol.

ARMS was produced by the Mario Kart team. That team has historically worked on a 3 year schedule. ARMS 2 or Mario Kart 9 are entirely possible for this year. Plus ARMS sold extremely well and Min Min has been well received.

Sakurai is blessed. He loves a wide variety of games and series. Fire Emblem got its foothold globally due to Smash. It's also a series that's defined by having a metric shitload of characters where the MCs use swords.

Geno getting in isn't impossible, it's just that Sakurai used his clout to get Joker, Banjo, and Terry as DLC fighters. Banjo in particular was fucking desired. Joker/Terry not as much, but still beloved franchise reps. The others like K.Rool and Ridley seemed to be Sakurai giving fans things.

The amount of sheer entitlement some people have is crazy, considering that Geno is just wayyyyy too niche to make it in. You'd have a better chance of Paper Mario being a DLC fighter, or even Tetra from the Wind Waker games.

Or another Fire Emblem character. Watch them add in another one.

Honestly, I just want a few big 3rd party to round everything out. Bandana Dee seems like a pipe-dream as Sakurai is anti-Kirby titles he did not develop. Maybe just throw in Crash for PlayStation icon status, Minecraft Steve because Minecraft is the biggest game of all time, Doom Slayer as he is the father of modern FPS, and maybe 2B or Sora. I feel a Pokemon is inevitable, that or Rex and Pyra. I guess this all just depends on Smash’s dwindling budget.

 

[CrippleThreat]

The fact that the fanbase is so obsessive over nobodies like Geno or Shantae just shows how autistic the nintendo fanbase is. Its funny/sad how some people obsess over a minor character from a game released over 2 decades ago.

Reminds me of the folks who want Professor Layton and/or Phoenix Wright. Both are popular games, but niche when you get down to them amd their fan bases. Besides, the latter of the two is often used in Capcom fighting games as is.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Story Time!
So I was on SmashBoards a year ago when I came across this thread called ‘Sexism in Smash.’ Needless to say, it was a gigantic woke fest as some gay man throws a fit about Bayonetta and how she demeans women. I argues with him, but it became a huge thread topic in general. At one point, some women who hates Bayonetta popped in to aid. One of her favorite characters was Shantae. People obviously pointed out that Shantae is just as bad, if not worse, than Bayonetta. The character is prime fetish material, yet this girl went on about how Shantae is supposedly this empowering figure. I think she tried to argue that comedy made it okay.

I swear, the Smash community is brain-dead and will do anything for Shantae. I have no idea why either, she is not that big of a franchise and is very basic in terms of 2D platforming. I guess the label ‘Nintendo Mascot‘ passes by anyone in the community.


A lot of the classic charm seems to be slowly leaving Animal Crossing. This is probably why it attracts so many women and LGBT folk. Smug personalities and centering the game around your own aesthetic has killed much of the genuine interactions.


ARMS was produced by the Mario Kart team. That team has historically worked on a 3 year schedule. ARMS 2 or Mario Kart 9 are entirely possible for this year. Plus ARMS sold extremely well and Min Min has been well received.


Honestly, I just want a few big 3rd party to round everything out. Bandana Dee seems like a pipe-dream as Sakurai is anti-Kirby titles he did not develop. Maybe just throw in Crash for PlayStation icon status, Minecraft Steve because Minecraft is the biggest game of all time, Doom Slayer as he is the father of modern FPS, and maybe 2B or Sora. I feel a Pokemon is inevitable, that or Rex and Pyra. I guess this all just depends on Smash’s dwindling budget.

Crash has been in a LOT of smash ultimate leaks so it's possible he's going to pop up, especially given the new game. Sora is a no go bc Disney. Doomslayer is probably a no go. Minecraft too.

Shantae's a decent game series for what it's worth but man the fans are rabid.

 

[Gamepad]

Sakurai is blessed. He loves a wide variety of games and series. Fire Emblem got its foothold globally due to Smash. It's also a series that's defined by having a metric shitload of characters where the MCs use swords.

Geno getting in isn't impossible, it's just that Sakurai used his clout to get Joker, Banjo, and Terry as DLC fighters. Banjo in particular was fucking desired. Joker/Terry not as much, but still beloved franchise reps. The others like K.Rool and Ridley seemed to be Sakurai giving fans things.

Sakurai made it clear that he grew up on the NEOGEO, and the Direct for Terry was him going ham about it. He even outright gave a class on motion inputs since he enjoys the hell out of fighting games, and that just wound up being lost on Smashers.

They just don't deserve the guy.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

Sakurai made it clear that he grew up on the NEOGEO, and the Direct for Terry was him going ham about it. He even outright gave a class on motion inputs since he enjoys the hell out of fighting games, and that just wound up being lost on Smashers.

They just don't deserve the guy.

Smashers don't deserve anything. Papa Sakurai loves all the shit they hate.

 

[Catnip Smokes]

Remember to blame Sakurai. It must be all his fault. Right?

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

A lot of the classic charm seems to be slowly leaving Animal Crossing. This is probably why it attracts so many women and LGBT folk. Smug personalities and centering the game around your own aesthetic has killed much of the genuine interactions.

Animal Crossing was already popular with women and LGBT people. The assholes who happened to fit into those demographics didn't have as many places to be loud and proud like they do now. Pre-New Horizons, the fandom was relatively friendly. Kind of blame the Tumblr porn ban on this mess.

Tumblr gave people ways to stay in their own little circlejerks. Twitter has none of that, which means the most obnoxious fans can become the face of Animal Crossing. The main places for fans to communicate in the Wild World and City Folk days were heavily moderated forums such as Animal Crossing Community. This place also allowed you to rate your wi-fi interactions with users on their profile.

First forums are abandoned in favor of places like Facebook, Tumblr, Reddit, and Twitter. Tumblr bans porn, troons and mean girls jump ship. They migrate to Twitter. A bit later, they have more free time to be bigger chocolate starfish than usual. To make matters worse, a newbie boom is coming thanks to New Horizons.

The new assholes can't be called out for being assholes because the main hub for the fandom is no longer a place that tried to keep them in check. Throw in the fact that almost all these hellions have a social shield and you have a recipe for disaster.

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

Pikmin 3's difficulty can really ramp up if you unleash your inner autist and go for the high scores on the challenge modes. I really hope they add more of those to Deluxe, figuring out how to gimmick those and optimally micromanage was fun as hell.