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The going theory is that Japanese developers don't care about global numbers and only care about how games do inside Japan itself.
I mean yes I agree with you that worldwide sales figures for games and consoles are more important in judging their overall health, but there are large swaths of the internet who say otherwise.
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I'm certainly no economy expert but I'm fairly sure there is a large difference between revenue (what was only shown in the graphics by the local sony fanboy) and actual videogame sales. Words bear specific meanings for a reason and playing around them is something commonly seen in journalism. Revenue stats bears no value for the average person except console warriors. Whereas game sale stats can at least be used as a metric to see/bet which platform will be supported by third-parties and if a game sold well enough to guarantee a sequel later on or else.
If you like jap games well enough, Famitsu charts (or Media Create ones but it's been private 4 years ago, with an ex-Resetera/NeoGAF member still reporting them in Installbase) are a good source as japanese games remain primarily sold for the japanese home audience, and who continue to buy retail by a large amount. The infrastructure there allows precise data like the remaining stock shipment of retail copies in the form of a colored bar (green means there is a large amount left while red equals a depleted stock), in addition to numbers. There are sales of second-hand games too in the case of Media Create yearly reports (2022 report for instance).
Edit: You can also check the japanese sales archive (in the Games by Year section) which also prove that Japan is still a huge consumer of console video games with the total amount of game softwares sold (per # of game titles) remaining more or less the same as it was 10/20/30 years ago, proportionally speaking. The difference is that the market has completely shifted towards Nintendo these days rather than Playstation instead of a ying-yang competition.
There doesn't seem to be any equivalent on the western side of the world that give precise numbers (you can check the threads in the Installbase forum from the link above, they're only given a rank order but no numbers) and worldwide numbers tend to include shipments in addition to digital so WW sale numbers may very likely be inflated and taken out of context.
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I always chalked up the overwhelming strength of Pokemon Gen 1 to be a lightning in a bottle situation. The marketing push from '98-'00 went harder than I've ever seen in my entire life. The anime had a perfect after school time slot, and was the first serialized anime for most millenials. The Game Boy game was the first massive portable RPG most people had ever played - there really weren't many RPGs at all on the Game Boy. And the trading card game, man, you couldn't get away from that in school at the time.
But then by the time Gen 2 rolled around, my casual friends IRL didn't bother, and I ended up quietly playing Pokemon (((Silver))) by myself. It was just seen as a dead fad by 2001. Even from my PoV, nothing newer particularly stood out as iconic beyond Gen 1. There are a few Pokemon here and there that I liked, but it's sort of akin to being really into a band for a time, and finding yourself entranced in a particular era - when the band was good - and then you try and listen to their newer albums, and you come away with a couple of songs that you could fit into your playlist, but otherwise, you stick to their classics.
It's kinda funny - in my head, when I try to think of newer Pokemon I like, I immediately go to Rayquaza:
and that is a Pokemon who debuted nearly 20 years ago.
There's definitely something to be said about Gen 1 and the rest of Pokemon feeling like two different franchises altogether. It's the same sort of thing with the Star Wars trilogies, only, Pokemon never had such a clear line-in-the-sand drawn with contention between fanbases. There's a weird hostility from modern Pokemon fans calling others "genwunners" disparagingly, and then then genwunners don't give a shit, because they just wanna enjoy their nostalgia over something they enjoyed when they were 9-year-olds.
Kinda makes sense that it turned out like that: the people who complain about genwunners are too autistic to understand that Pokemon's just a nostalgia thing to a lot of people, not a way of life.
oh and we apparently have a thread about pokemon generation elitists, and Null closed it because he is a genwunner lol https://kiwifarms.net/threads/pokemon-generation-elitists.29770/post-2176901
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Because places like the US is order of magnitudes bigger by not just dollar amounts, but sheer size and population. There's no infrastructure to generally amass that specific amount data outside of dollar amounts sold which is what NPD goes by. Texas for example is larger than Japan and has stores spread way out all over the state.
Japan can get more specific numbers because their logistics are small by comparison. But all that tells you about the overall health of the game is not much since you've blacked out the far larger markets. Not only that they don't even track digital downloads which is now a significant portion of the overall market.
Worldwide sales figures have always been the dealbreaker on what's a success and what's not. Using Japan as a singular gauge is rather unreliable because there are so many parts of data missing in the larger picture.
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I was a huge genwunner growing up but over the past few years I've come around to gen 2, which feels like it was made in a similar fashion by a lot of the same people. The games were also really similar. After that though? Yeah, the magic is gone.
Edit: I am looking at Installbase and its a hugely active forum that was only opened a month ago. What era drama led to this?
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Holy moly that 2021 spike tho. The 2018 spike too, guess that goes to show how big of a hit the Switch was.
Europe combined only just now overtaking Japan on its own is pretty insane. I thought it was all mobile games over there...
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The view on the switch is going to vary from country to country but in general it's viewed as a side event from microsoft and Sony since it's still considered a handheld by many. Mostly because it's missed out on games like Elden Ring and other big deal titles. The late ports don't help it either in terms of being viewed as an equal. In most places it's occupying the same space the DS/3ds had prior.
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One thing I've wondered for a long time is if Gen 2 is, like, one of those situations where it's the second half of a complete game, kinda like Sonic 3 & Knuckles. The very first episode of the anime outright has a Gen 2 legendary as a teaser (Ho-Oh flying), and the Gen 2 games let you traverse the Gen 1 region, something I don't think they ever did again. They even had a playable prototype for a trade show in late 1997, before any Western version launched, and between the releases of Japanese Blue and Yellow.
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I think Ho-Oh was bullshit made up until they realized they needed to make more pokemon and just grandfathered it in with the rest of the shit they made up on the fly.
Like how in Star Wars the clone wars was mentioned in ANH, but the overall lore and story was in no way fleshed out at the time.
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Jesus christ, shut the fuck UP.
Switch sales are at over 103 million.
It's not viewed as a "side event" (whatever the fuck that means) and you are full of shit.
Your arguments are entirely made up, pulled out of your ass and generally are made by deliberately misrepresenting what other people say.
Stop talking. Shut your mouth. Go get laid - if you can. Just fuck off.
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DS sales were over 100 million as well. It's not being viewed as a primary console for many people, myself included. I've got a sizable library but it's not really replacing either of the traditional consoles due to it's lack of power.
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Sadly for your theory, the development history of Pokemon is incredibly well documented and entirely different from your proposal. Gen 1 was added onto the end of Gen 2 at the end, for what its worth, after Satoru Iwata recompiled the game for Gamefreak (bad devs) and it went from being too bloated to fit on a cart to having enough extra space that you could throw the previous game's map onto it for funsies.
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I would claim that Pokémon is one of those franchises that comes in spurts, which is why people hate Gen 1 fans. The first game was huge because it was out for the wildly popular Nintendo Gameboy, whereas 2 and 3 were on the much shorter lived GBA. Pokémon would hit another popularity spike with the DS though as it was a massive system and Gen 4 became this “Greatest Pokémon of all-time” title for many, with Gen 5 getting quite the cult following over the years. Makes sense, Pokémon was a big hit for millennials during Gen 1, while Gen 4 got the attachment of many early Zoomers. It is why they are going hard with Gen 4 currently. After the DS we had Gen 6 which wasn’t as popular, though the 3DS it self was way less popular than the DS. It wasn’t till Pokémon Go that Gen 7 really picked up steam, and now Gen 8 is getting tons of younger fans from the newest generation of kids because Switch is popular and they all have it.
I think a lot of the gen fighting is more a result of this than the religion of Pokémon. It seems that every three gens, a boom in popularity occurs for the series. Pokémon isn’t a fad, it just cycles in and out the next generation. It is probably more akin to Sonic in that regard as Sonic very much survived on once being a millennial thing with the classics, then transitioning into a Zoomer thing with Adventure and some of the modern era stuff, before finally being something for the current generation of kids with the movie.
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Gen 2 was GBC and sold really well (I mean all Pokemon does but it took a long time for anyone to match gen 2 again IIRC.)
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Dude, did you get enough sleep last night or did you spend it jerking off to anime dragon maids, again?
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