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It's a good cartoon, I remember Cartoon Network used to air it a lot when they had nothing else on even long after the last episode aired. Wont want to spoil the rest of the show but Courage has one of the best rogues galleries ever and a few of the episodes get a little emotional at times.
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Hello and welcome to Root Reviews, where I ramble about a movie and cope about how no actually the garbage I like is in fact not trash, but art. So what did I do this past weekend? Go to a real movie theater of course, mind you I was the only one in the theater so I could've just sat on my phone and opened the movie night chat. So what was I the only one in the theater to see? Joker: Folie a Deux of course! Someone had to watch it and fear not I stepped up to the plate. Honestly was happy to go as well because there was one or two really good promos for other movies so I'll need to keep my eyes on that.
So what did I think? TL;DR (i'm hurt) 7/10. Let mecope cook now.
It is a perfectly competent movie. Todd Phillips knows how to direct and knows how to utilized the actors he has. Phoenix looked truly broken at the start and by the end nearly 180s, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
The Start:
It starts out really strong with something a little different, and something that I hope they do more of in the future. It starts with a traditional Warner Bros opening and a short cartoon about Joker and his shadow. Silly hijinks ensue and Joker gets beat up by the cops. It was a little jarring and I'd say it was out of place if it wasn't tied into the plot of the movie in a greater sense. It immediately shifts into Joker in prison, awaiting his trial for the murder of 5 people, but prior to that we must have a competency exam to see if he will stand trial. Phoenix looks the part in this movie (his back is all fucked up and I have no idea if that's like a real life injury) with this very weakened and battered look. We see he has some mixed relations with the guards who like to hear him tell jokes, his reward for doing so being a cigarette. The film introduces him to Harley as he passes by a music therapy session she is attending while on his way to be interviewed for his competency.
Things to note at this point:
1) The film follows the trial aspect very heavily. It has a lot of stuff in the court and prior to it. The interesting thing is that Arthur's lawyer is attempting to get him an insanity charge with the argument that he's schizophrenic and that the joker was a split personality.
2) Harley is not a psychiatrist or professional in any sense. she's present at the facility as a self check in after setting fire to her parents house.
One of the guards notices that Arthur was interested in the music (and also wants to attend himself to sing). This introduces the musical aspect and we start to get a picture of what's going on. So let me talk about the Joker for a moment.
Throughout the movie Arthur picks what I would consider the worst moments to start singing, with the outbursts happening in his head.
He finds out he's competent to stand trial and he is facing the death penalty? Shuck and jive and sing a song about love because Harley Quinn loves you.
Get on TV to do an interview, the first chance you've had to do one? Burst out into song while trying to explain that you are in fact crazy and not in control of yourself.
Give closing statements and it's obvious you're going to fry? Lemme sing a song over the phone real quick.
The songs utilized were 50s/60s big band standards and show tunes. Very New York, very Broadway. The neat thing was that Gaga as Harley used her full singing voice throughout; while Phoenix, a man capable of singing, restrains himself for most of the movie and sings in his very flimsy and quiet Arthur voice. There are these moments where a more boisterous style will come out and it's the points in the film where he is presenting more as the joker than Arthur. The score itself highlights his songs with these subtle melancholy undertones: very rarely are any of the songs utilized presented in their usual manner which typically was upbeat and bright. In the sequel the music is utilized to highlight his degeneration and falling apart further, like how we got segments of delusion in the first movie or those awkward scenes where he's the only one laughing. It was genius and I was happy to see a new take on his insanity rather than the same motifs rehashed.
I'm going to spoiler now just in case because I want to discuss some of the "hotter stuff"
So why did I find this effective? Arthur is shackled to the Joker persona and gets sucked into this fake love with Harley. She's only interested in the Joker and the message behind him, rather than the man he is. That's what all of society is focused on. They aren't interested in seeing Arthur get better. That's not engaging to them. So when Arthur drops the facade for a fraction of a second they abandon him. If he isn't the Joker, he's a nobody.
There was two legitimately funny moments, one of which happens in the court room and I don't want to spoil, the other being Arthur signing a book for a guard. He's signing it with "Put on a Happy Face!" But hears the guard say the book will be worth hundreds once he's dead. Arthur then crosses it out and writes "I hope you get cancer and die." A couple other good lines here and there, and some awkward jokes from Arthur got a chuckle out of me.
I think the biggest thing holding both the first film and this one back is that they are chained to DC. It's so jarring to see in this movie that Harvey Dent is the Prosecutor and to keep hearing Gotham this, Gotham that. Both the films just improve a hundred fold if you call Arthur "The Funny Guy" and change any reference of the Waynes to Richman and Gotham to New York.
The movie felt like a movie, was shot like a movie, and looked good. Nothing felt too dark and the colors when used were effective. They did a good job of making Phoenix and Gaga look pretty greasy. I found the two believable in their roles. It was an odd movie because of the singing but I don't go into a movie about the Joker and expect it to be a normal ride. People who are complaining about how they "ruined Joker" or whatever list of buzzwords you can come up with clearly didn't get the point of the first film and just enjoyed it because on it's face it was good. It's a shame that people want to politicize the movies so heavily. Both did a wonderful job highlighting the issues of mental health, with this edition expressing clearly how those that are suffering from issues can also hurt themselves with their actions.
I will say to any saying I'm biased or whatever this was not as good as the first Joker, which is a solid 8/10 due to being shackled to Batman instead of being it's own thing. I was happy to see this movie be the reverse side of the coin. If the first movie is his rise then this one must be his fall. Definitely not the worst movie I've seen this year. Did it have to be made? Eh? Yes/no/maybe so? If you didn't like the Joker for the first reason it doesn't compromise the vision of the first film in the slightest. I don't necessarily think it improves the story of the first movie but simply concludes it.
Thank you for reading, take care of yourselves, and each other.
So what did I think? TL;DR (i'm hurt) 7/10. Let me
It is a perfectly competent movie. Todd Phillips knows how to direct and knows how to utilized the actors he has. Phoenix looked truly broken at the start and by the end nearly 180s, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
The Start:
It starts out really strong with something a little different, and something that I hope they do more of in the future. It starts with a traditional Warner Bros opening and a short cartoon about Joker and his shadow. Silly hijinks ensue and Joker gets beat up by the cops. It was a little jarring and I'd say it was out of place if it wasn't tied into the plot of the movie in a greater sense. It immediately shifts into Joker in prison, awaiting his trial for the murder of 5 people, but prior to that we must have a competency exam to see if he will stand trial. Phoenix looks the part in this movie (his back is all fucked up and I have no idea if that's like a real life injury) with this very weakened and battered look. We see he has some mixed relations with the guards who like to hear him tell jokes, his reward for doing so being a cigarette. The film introduces him to Harley as he passes by a music therapy session she is attending while on his way to be interviewed for his competency.
Things to note at this point:
1) The film follows the trial aspect very heavily. It has a lot of stuff in the court and prior to it. The interesting thing is that Arthur's lawyer is attempting to get him an insanity charge with the argument that he's schizophrenic and that the joker was a split personality.
2) Harley is not a psychiatrist or professional in any sense. she's present at the facility as a self check in after setting fire to her parents house.
One of the guards notices that Arthur was interested in the music (and also wants to attend himself to sing). This introduces the musical aspect and we start to get a picture of what's going on. So let me talk about the Joker for a moment.
There are two kinds of people that liked Joker.
1) Those who thought Joker was based for shooting a guy on TV and starting a riot.
2) Those who thought the film was a stunning look at mental health and how not just the system, but society has ostracized it so heavily.
If you liked Joker 1 for the first reason, you missed the point and will hate Joker 2.
1) Those who thought Joker was based for shooting a guy on TV and starting a riot.
2) Those who thought the film was a stunning look at mental health and how not just the system, but society has ostracized it so heavily.
If you liked Joker 1 for the first reason, you missed the point and will hate Joker 2.
Throughout the movie Arthur picks what I would consider the worst moments to start singing, with the outbursts happening in his head.
He finds out he's competent to stand trial and he is facing the death penalty? Shuck and jive and sing a song about love because Harley Quinn loves you.
Get on TV to do an interview, the first chance you've had to do one? Burst out into song while trying to explain that you are in fact crazy and not in control of yourself.
Give closing statements and it's obvious you're going to fry? Lemme sing a song over the phone real quick.
The songs utilized were 50s/60s big band standards and show tunes. Very New York, very Broadway. The neat thing was that Gaga as Harley used her full singing voice throughout; while Phoenix, a man capable of singing, restrains himself for most of the movie and sings in his very flimsy and quiet Arthur voice. There are these moments where a more boisterous style will come out and it's the points in the film where he is presenting more as the joker than Arthur. The score itself highlights his songs with these subtle melancholy undertones: very rarely are any of the songs utilized presented in their usual manner which typically was upbeat and bright. In the sequel the music is utilized to highlight his degeneration and falling apart further, like how we got segments of delusion in the first movie or those awkward scenes where he's the only one laughing. It was genius and I was happy to see a new take on his insanity rather than the same motifs rehashed.
I'm going to spoiler now just in case because I want to discuss some of the "hotter stuff"
A lot of time is devoted to the trial and I loved it. His DA was fantastic and had me really sold that it might not have been his fault. She goes to great lengths to fight for Arthur, to actually do something right for him when the rest of society has failed. So when he decides to throw her off his case and represent himself it's great. The audience bursts out in cheers because "that bitch wasn't working in his best interest." Him. The Joker. It's interesting how the court house is separated. One half wants to see him fry because he killed their boys. The other half is there because they think the Joker did nothing wrong. But no one's really there for "Arthur."
So I think I should get into the 3rd act twist. The only thing everyone appears to care about: THEY BUCK BROKE JOAQUIN PHOENIX!!!
This is not something that happens on screen. There is a line during his attorney's time with a witness where, while we focus on arthur who isn't really paying attention, she mentions the abuse "both physical and sexual" that Arthur faced as a child. It is not dwelt upon for a great length of time. The next moment people are discussing is after Arthur insults the guards of the prison while at his trial they bring him back and do something to him. They just show the guards stripping him out of his suit to his undies, and then drag him over to the showers. You don't see anything, it cuts to them dragging him into his cell and him looking worn out. It could've been a beating, it could've been a buck breaking. Regardless it causes Arthur to shut down and truly fall apart. The next day in court he admits to what he's done, that he's fucked up, and deserves whatever he gets. That there was no difference between Arthur and the Joker. And then it doesn't matter because they bomb the courthouse but whatevs. I don't need to discuss the rest of the ending. I think it was fitting and went back to this idea of "mental health is so stigmatized that not only is the system going to fail you, but society is as well." Spoiler section should be over...
So I think I should get into the 3rd act twist. The only thing everyone appears to care about: THEY BUCK BROKE JOAQUIN PHOENIX!!!
This is not something that happens on screen. There is a line during his attorney's time with a witness where, while we focus on arthur who isn't really paying attention, she mentions the abuse "both physical and sexual" that Arthur faced as a child. It is not dwelt upon for a great length of time. The next moment people are discussing is after Arthur insults the guards of the prison while at his trial they bring him back and do something to him. They just show the guards stripping him out of his suit to his undies, and then drag him over to the showers. You don't see anything, it cuts to them dragging him into his cell and him looking worn out. It could've been a beating, it could've been a buck breaking. Regardless it causes Arthur to shut down and truly fall apart. The next day in court he admits to what he's done, that he's fucked up, and deserves whatever he gets. That there was no difference between Arthur and the Joker. And then it doesn't matter because they bomb the courthouse but whatevs. I don't need to discuss the rest of the ending. I think it was fitting and went back to this idea of "mental health is so stigmatized that not only is the system going to fail you, but society is as well." Spoiler section should be over...
So why did I find this effective? Arthur is shackled to the Joker persona and gets sucked into this fake love with Harley. She's only interested in the Joker and the message behind him, rather than the man he is. That's what all of society is focused on. They aren't interested in seeing Arthur get better. That's not engaging to them. So when Arthur drops the facade for a fraction of a second they abandon him. If he isn't the Joker, he's a nobody.
There was two legitimately funny moments, one of which happens in the court room and I don't want to spoil, the other being Arthur signing a book for a guard. He's signing it with "Put on a Happy Face!" But hears the guard say the book will be worth hundreds once he's dead. Arthur then crosses it out and writes "I hope you get cancer and die." A couple other good lines here and there, and some awkward jokes from Arthur got a chuckle out of me.
I think the biggest thing holding both the first film and this one back is that they are chained to DC. It's so jarring to see in this movie that Harvey Dent is the Prosecutor and to keep hearing Gotham this, Gotham that. Both the films just improve a hundred fold if you call Arthur "The Funny Guy" and change any reference of the Waynes to Richman and Gotham to New York.
The movie felt like a movie, was shot like a movie, and looked good. Nothing felt too dark and the colors when used were effective. They did a good job of making Phoenix and Gaga look pretty greasy. I found the two believable in their roles. It was an odd movie because of the singing but I don't go into a movie about the Joker and expect it to be a normal ride. People who are complaining about how they "ruined Joker" or whatever list of buzzwords you can come up with clearly didn't get the point of the first film and just enjoyed it because on it's face it was good. It's a shame that people want to politicize the movies so heavily. Both did a wonderful job highlighting the issues of mental health, with this edition expressing clearly how those that are suffering from issues can also hurt themselves with their actions.
I will say to any saying I'm biased or whatever this was not as good as the first Joker, which is a solid 8/10 due to being shackled to Batman instead of being it's own thing. I was happy to see this movie be the reverse side of the coin. If the first movie is his rise then this one must be his fall. Definitely not the worst movie I've seen this year. Did it have to be made? Eh? Yes/no/maybe so? If you didn't like the Joker for the first reason it doesn't compromise the vision of the first film in the slightest. I don't necessarily think it improves the story of the first movie but simply concludes it.
Thank you for reading, take care of yourselves, and each other.
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Why abandon the R00t Reviews (tm) thread?
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The Hellraiser franchise can be summed up by this.
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Movie theme night this weekend is Horror movies directed by directors who you don't normally direct horror movies.
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This should be an....interesting night.
Btw since the inclusions of Aqua Teen Hunger Force eps as filler went over well with chat, I'll be adding moar this weekend. If anyone wants to see the new 'Aquadonk Side-Pieces' episodes included in the mix then sing out, otherwise I'll stay classic.
Btw since the inclusions of Aqua Teen Hunger Force eps as filler went over well with chat, I'll be adding moar this weekend. If anyone wants to see the new 'Aquadonk Side-Pieces' episodes included in the mix then sing out, otherwise I'll stay classic.
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I wanna recommend 2 movies
BUBA HO TEP
and
BROTHERHOOD OF THE WOLF
Yes the last one has subtitles but trust me its worth it. no furry porn I pinky swear!
BUBA HO TEP
and
BROTHERHOOD OF THE WOLF
Yes the last one has subtitles but trust me its worth it. no furry porn I pinky swear!
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buba ho tep played about a year ago i think? it's a fun one. weird one for sure but fun. don't remember brotherhood of the wolf.
going through the list of potential movies has been pretty rough since it's hard to find directors that specifically threw out a horror one as a normie director.
going through the list of potential movies has been pretty rough since it's hard to find directors that specifically threw out a horror one as a normie director.
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Here is a list of some movies that would count, if people are having a hard time
Ravenous
Near Dark
Werner Herzog's Nosferatu
Peeping Tom
28 Days Later
Invasion of the Body Snatchers. both 50s and 70s
The Silence of the Lambs
Don't Look Now
Carrie
The Haunting (both 63 and 99)
Jaws
The Innocents
The Shining
An American Werewolf in London
Jacob's Ladder
Slither
Alien 3
Unsane
Images
The Omen
Misery
What We Do in the Shadows
The Hunger (1983)
Angel Heart
Night of the Comet
Petey Wheatstraw
Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992)
Mary Shelley's Frankenstein (1994)
Species
Wolf (1994)
Cat People (1982)
Magic
The Ring (2002)
Ravenous
Near Dark
Werner Herzog's Nosferatu
Peeping Tom
28 Days Later
Invasion of the Body Snatchers. both 50s and 70s
The Silence of the Lambs
Don't Look Now
Carrie
The Haunting (both 63 and 99)
Jaws
The Innocents
The Shining
An American Werewolf in London
Jacob's Ladder
Slither
Alien 3
Unsane
Images
The Omen
Misery
What We Do in the Shadows
The Hunger (1983)
Angel Heart
Night of the Comet
Petey Wheatstraw
Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992)
Mary Shelley's Frankenstein (1994)
Species
Wolf (1994)
Cat People (1982)
Magic
The Ring (2002)
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What? No Red State?
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tusk would probably count more than red state. i don't really get horror out of red state.
What We Do in the Shadows also doesn't count. not really horror. it's a comedy. Petey Wheatstraw as well. Not really horror.
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I'm going to run a marathon of horror films all Halloween day/night
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This weekend's movie night theme is Election movies.
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It's not "election movies", it's "Political assasination films/pre-Election Spectacular".