War Navy commander orders SEALs to shape up - "What is this Mickey Mouse shit?!"

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NAVY SEAL ENLISTED GENERAL REQUIREMENTS By U.S. Navy SEAL + SWCC Scout Team Posted May 13, 2016

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Navy SEALS have been a focus of Navy leaders since High profile cases of misconduct have been in the limelight, including the highly publicized case of Eddie Gallagher. Although Gallagher was acquitted of murder after lengthy legal proceedings, he was found guilty of taking a photograph with a dead terrorist.

NAVY SEAL ENLISTED GENERAL REQUIREMENTS By U.S. Navy SEAL + SWCC Scout Team Posted May 13, 2016

More recently SEALs in Iraq were reprimanded or pulled out for drug and alcohol use as Taskandpurpose reported.

A “Call to Action” directive released to senior leaders since Admiral Colin Green took command late July, obtained by Navy Times, returns the SEAL and boat teams to standards expected of service members across the fleet. Leaders are ordered to conduct “routine inspections of your units and strictly enforce all Navy grooming and uniform standards, including adherence to all Navy traditions, customs and ceremonies,” according to the Navy Times.

Earlier this year Admiral Green had ordered investigations into recent scandals. And immediately after he took command on the end of July, he issued a letter as reported and quoted by USNI, to include:

1. In our fast paced operational environment, the behavior of our people and the integrity of our organization are continually being tested. The trust placed in Naval Special Warfare by our military and civilian leaders, the TSOCs, and ultimately the American people must never be taken for granted. The responsibility for ethical and professional behavior must be taken seriously — by everyone, at every level of our organization.

Admiral Green letter

2. We have a problem. Some of our subordinate formations have failed to maintain good order and discipline and as a result and for good reason, our NSW culture is being questioned. I don’t know yet if we have a culture problem, I do know that we have a good order and discipline problem that must be addressed immediately. Good order and discipline is the foundation for every military organization and it is a leadership responsibility. As Commander, I own it. As Commodores, you also own it. We must now take a proactive approach to prevent the next breach of ethical and professional behavior in our formations, instead of continuing on our current consequence management approach.

3. By 7 August 2019, I am directing you to provide I written commander’s estimate that describes how you and your command team will develop a plan of action that is informed by “Naval Special Warfare’s Force Ethics Assessment” dated 22 March 2019. This document gives a holistic assessment of the community to include a way forward. As professional development, I direct reading the first 2 chapters of “A Tactical Ethic ” by Dick Couch. This book describes how we have had these problems in the past. and thus provides a case study that we can use to recalibrate our culture and regain our credibility.

4. Additionally, I am directing you to engage everyone in your formations (in garrison and deployed) within the next 2 weeks on this issue; I want all hands to understand that “we have a problem” and that this is our main effort and my top priority. I will review and consider your recommended actions to develop my direction and way ahead to the Naval Special Warfare enterprise.

5. Your commander’s estimate will include:

• a. Develop a problem statement from lite ECH III and below perspective.
• b. Develop recommendations to ensure the NSW culture is aligned with our ETHOS.
• c. Develop a plus for “buy in” from the ranks, with a sense of urgency.
• d. Describe your plan for intrusive leadership at the ECH Ill and below level.

6. I expect good order and discipline to be instilled in and maintained by everyone in NSW. I know our leaders (officers and non-commissioned officers) are fully capable to take this on and I will strive to provide inspired arid inspiring leadership.

[signed]
C.P. GREEN

Commander, Naval Special Warfare Command, Rear Adm. Collin P. Green delivers remarks during the change of office ceremony during which NAVSEA 06 (PMS-340) Major Program Manager Capt. Robert “Chad” Muse was relieved by Capt. Brian O’Lavin. Lakeway)

Rear Admiral Collin P. Green command tours include SEAL Team 3, where he deployed as commander, Naval Special Warfare Task Group – Iraq in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom; Naval Special Warfare Unit 3; Naval Special Warfare Group 1, and most recently as U.S. Special Operations Command South.

What they're talking about Eddie Gallagher is A SEAL recently acquitted of premeditated stabbing murder of a wounded teenage ISIS POW in Iraq, back in '17. Check out the article, interesting read.

As for the book "A Tactical Ethic" the Admiral is referring to, here is the synopsis:

Following the success of his recent book on Navy SEALs in Iraq, The Sheriff of Ramadi, bestselling author and combat veteran Dick Couch now examines the importance of battlefield ethics in effectively combating terrorists without losing the battle for the hearts of the local population. A former SEAL who led one of the only successful POW rescue operations in Vietnam, Couch warns that the mistakes made in Vietnam forty years ago are being repeated in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the stakes are even higher now. His book takes a critical look at the battlefield conduct of U.S. ground-combat units fighting insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Since the prize of the fight on the modern battlefield is the people, he warns every death has a consequence. Every killing has both strategic and moral significance for U.S. warriors.
From his unique and qualified perspective, Couch examines the sources and issues that can lead to wrong conduct on the battlefield, and explains how it comes about and what can be done to correct it. He considers the roles of command intent and the official rules of engagement, but his primary focus is on ethical conduct at the squad and platoon level. Tactical ethics, according to the author's definition, is the moral and ethical armor that should accompany every American warrior into battle, and these standards apply to the engaged unit as well as to the individual. A harsh critic of immoral combat tactics, Couch offers realistic measures to correct these potentially devastating errors. He argues that as a nation, we must do all we can to protect our soldiers' humanity, for their sake, so they can return from service with honor, and for our sake as a people and for our standing in the world.

Sounds like it should be mandatory reading for many branches of the military.

 

[NN 401]

I know a lot of Ranger and Green Beret units carry Tomahawks. But those are approved for use, especially because they can be used in fieldcraft (Chopping firewood, building shelter/cover) if needed.

They apparently WEREN'T authorized for this Seal Team, though. It was violating their equipment protocols to seem cool and showy-offy.

This is correct and like a bunch of children the tomahawks ended up being a psychological contagion for the SEALS. They reportedly ended up mutilating corpses with them.

Apparently, they also canoed the shit out of UBL’s corpse like a bunch of speds.

@Rabidcolombian

Look up “gay chicken”

 

[Feline Supremacist]

(Chopping firewood, building shelter/cover) if needed.

He told me that's exactly what he's using it for. And of course I had find out if and what was authorized.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

He told me that's exactly what he's using it for. And of course I had find out if and what was authorized.

It can double as a weapon, if needed(same as an entrenchment tool). But even stuff like combat knives are used primarily for utility...

If the situation arose you used something other than your secondary: something has gone terribly wrong...

 

[not william stenchever]

Apparently, they also canoed the shit out of UBL’s corpse like a bunch of speds.

Is this why he was given a "traditional islamic burial at sea"? Excellent work feeding conspiracy theorists, you fucking nimrods.

 

[Fapcop]

I don’t think much can change unless they disband the current units, and start all over, with a new structure.

Just take shit like their whole degenerate “canoeing” tradition...

(Shit, even a Waffen SS platoon might have burned down a village if ordered to, or killed some POWs if they’d hinder them, but would never have been caught dead pulling some bottom tier, despicable shit like that. Then again, Waffen SS soldiers also took some pride in their appearance and actually shaved. Maybe that’s where it starts..)

Right now, there’s a whole generation or two of SEALs, including NCOs and officers, who’ve either done shit like that themselves, or weren’t bothered by it enough to speak up, whenever photo albums of “canooed” insurgents were passed around to get a laugh at SEAL gettogethers.

The rot goes deep now, and probably started all the way back in the beginning of the “war on terror”. It’s a lot deeper than what can be fixed by asking them to please not rape and do coke, or demand that they shave and take off any MLP or Punisher insignia.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

I don’t think much can change unless they disband the current units, and start all over, with a new structure.

Just take shit like their whole degenerate “canoeing” tradition...

(Shit, even a Waffen SS platoon might have burned down a village if ordered to, or killed some POWs if they’d hinder them, but would never have been caught dead pulling some bottom tier, despicable shit like that. Then again, Waffen SS soldiers also took some pride in their appearance and actually shaved. Maybe that’s where it starts..)

Right now, there’s a whole generation or two of SEALs, including NCOs and officers, who’ve either done shit like that themselves, or weren’t bothered by it enough to speak up, whenever photo albums of “canooed” insurgents were passed around to get a laugh at SEAL gettogethers.

The rot goes deep now, and probably started all the way back in the beginning of the “war on terror”. It’s a lot deeper than what can be fixed by asking them to please not rape and do coke, or demand that they shave and take off any MLP or Punisher insignia.

Well, even though I wouldn't go so far as disbanding them:

I do believe that the current 'clampdown' is just a band-aid. As soon as SEAL media dies down a bit, the teams will go right back to what their doing...

The only reason they're doing this: Outside of their JSOC element, their not getting missions anymore. This effects their funding...

Personally, I would downsize them and get rid of the Special Operator rating entirely. Go back to original Navy ratings.

That would make it much easier to get rid of the shitbags....

 

[Trig.Point]

The only reason they're doing this: Outside of their JSOC element, their not getting missions anymore. This effects their funding...

Well the SEAL Team in Iraq got removed from theater last month and most significantly they weren't replaced with another team, that implies that theater commanders are starting to feel they can do without them. I get the impression that up until now the SEAL teams were being foisted on commanders. It might get to the point where commanders insist on Special forces that are better integrated with the regular army and marines.

Navy SEAL Platoon Removed from Iraq over Reports of Sexual Assault, Alcohol Use

The Navy is investigating a report that a member of SEAL Team 7's Foxtrot Platoon sexually assaulted a female service member.

www.military.com

I think SEAL team supporters made the decision to die on a hill for Eddie Gallagher. Even if Gallagher was being victimised, it's fairly clear now that he was a major part of the dysfunction in the unit, and every additional detail that comes to light is only making him look worse.

This is an interesting blogpost, with links to other decent articles.

SEALs Behaving Badly - Overt Defense

In light of the recent "back to basics" directive, Overt Defense considers some of the issues around the SEALs - what happend to the US Navy's pin ups?

www.overtdefense.com

 

[The Demon]

No, the infantry isn't overstrength. Army is offering bonuses of up to $40K for a six-year enlistment.

Army Now Offering Recruits up to $40,000 to Join the Infantry

Before May, the maximum bonus amount for infantry recruits was $15,000 for a six-year commitment.

www.military.com

Army Now Offering Recruits up to $40,000 to Join the Infantry

3 Jul 2019
Military.com | By Matthew Cox

FORT KNOX, Kentucky -- U.S. Army recruiters are offering bonuses worth up to $40,000 to new recruits who sign up for the infantry by Sept. 30 as part of an effort to reverse a shortage of grunts for fiscal 2019.

The drastic increase in bonus amounts for recruits in 11X, the infantry military occupational specialty, went into effect in mid-May, according to U.S. Army Recruiting Command officials, who said that the service still needs to fill about 3,300 infantry training seats by Sept. 30.

"We saw this coming in May; we immediately went to the senior leadership and said, 'look, we need to max out the bonuses for 11Xs,'" Maj. Gen. Frank Muth, commander of Army Recruiting Command, told Military.com Tuesday.
"If you sign up to be 11X and you sign a six-year commitment -- $40,000."

Before May, the maximum bonus amount for infantry recruits was $15,000 for a six-year commitment.

Last summer, the Army ran a pilot at Fort Benning, Georgia that resulted in the service extending infantry one station unit training (OSUT) from 14 weeks to 22 weeks. The extended infantry training is designed to give soldiers more time to practice key infantry skills such as land navigation, marksmanship, hand-to-hand combat, fire and maneuver and first aid training.

The bonus increase is just a small step in the Army's effort to meet its recruiting goal for the active force of 68,000 soldiers by Sept. 30. The Army launched a multi-faceted recruiting strategy last October after the service missed its 2018 recruiting goal by 6,500 soldiers.

New recruits signing up for the infantry can also get $20,000 for a three-year enlistment, $25,000 for a four-year enlistment and $30,000 for a five-year enlistment, Recruiting Command officials said.

But these new bonuses won't last long, Muth said.

"You've got to ship in August and September," Muth said, explaining that infantry recruits must enter OSUT at Benning by the end of this fiscal year.

"If you ship in October, you don't get the bonus."

40,000/6 years = 6,666.666666666667‬ a year. but for real though, you may get 40K as a big bonus but you still lose because you decided to join the army for some fucking reason

 

[JosephStalin]

40,000/6 years = 6,666.666666666667‬ a year. but for real though, you may get 40K as a big bonus but you still lose because you decided to join the army for some fucking reason

Not only that, but you can bet taxes will be taken out of each yearly installment. And you can sure as hell bet if the soldier is seriously wounded/injured and can no longer serve as an infantryman, any remaining bonus payments will not be paid.

My opinions about joining today's military - several, based on my own career and what I've seen over the years. Our country is worth defending. But today's military has problems somewhat of their own making. First, the lower-ranking enlisted are treated much like children. This is especially pronounced in training environments. Some enlisted military specialties can require up to two years' training. If you're 18 years old, being treated like a kid is bad enough. If you're 25 or 26, maybe with a family, you'll not only resent it but it's highly likely that you will not re-enlist.

Second, WAY too much resources are put into all these "pride weeks", "pride months", "awareness weeks", etc. You'd be amazed at the money and manpower that goes into these things, for no real benefit. You gay? You straight? You black/Asian/whatever? Cool, but you don't need any sort of special week or month. Another benefit of this - shows acceptance and tolerance of those of different races/sexes without glorifying any particular race/sex/whatever.

Bottom line here - Troops are not being treated like adults and professionals. At one time, during much of the 1980's, people were generally treated like adults and professionals. Long since gone.

If you are going to join the military, join for what you plan to get out of it. Education benefits? Special training? Adventure? If you plan to make a career out of the military, best to become a commissioned or warrant officer. Pay and benefits are much better. You usually don't have to put up with as much bullshit as do the enlisted. You can be presented with some great opportunities, things you never even knew existed. Can allow you to do things at a much younger age compared to civilians doing the same sort of job. When in command, YOU are the designated shit-taker for the unit. YOU take it all, then decide how much, of any, you should drop on your people. There's nothing like commanding troops, at any level. And military retirement, while changing, is still a very good deal.

 

[The Demon]

i just remembered this when i was driving back home, but i owe an apology to ubisoft.

I thought that black beard's look and weapons were retarded, where he has a big dumb desert eagle that shoots .50 AE, valkyrie has a dumbass spas 12, and blackbeard's ability is some scotch tape attached to some bent coat hangers. He has a full beard in the military, he has jungle style magazines on that scar whatever, his sleeves are constantly rolled up, valkyrie has a fucking headscarf and her uniform shows VISIBLE TATTOOS, hair that CAN EASILY COVER HER EYES

damn, ubisoft did their homework on the seals

 

[Terrorist]

I agree. We need to cuck for Israel harder, faster, and better.

WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION PRIVATE? YOU SWALLOW AFTER SUCKING BIBI’S COCK LIKE HOW HE LIKES, NOT SPIT IT OUT!

 

[NN 401]

Not only that, but you can bet taxes will be taken out of each yearly installment. And you can sure as hell bet if the soldier is seriously wounded/injured and can no longer serve as an infantryman, any remaining bonus payments will not be paid.

My opinions about joining today's military - several, based on my own career and what I've seen over the years. Our country is worth defending. But today's military has problems somewhat of their own making. First, the lower-ranking enlisted are treated much like children. This is especially pronounced in training environments. Some enlisted military specialties can require up to two years' training. If you're 18 years old, being treated like a kid is bad enough. If you're 25 or 26, maybe with a family, you'll not only resent it but it's highly likely that you will not re-enlist.

Second, WAY too much resources are put into all these "pride weeks", "pride months", "awareness weeks", etc. You'd be amazed at the money and manpower that goes into these things, for no real benefit. You gay? You straight? You black/Asian/whatever? Cool, but you don't need any sort of special week or month. Another benefit of this - shows acceptance and tolerance of those of different races/sexes without glorifying any particular race/sex/whatever.

Bottom line here - Troops are not being treated like adults and professionals. At one time, during much of the 1980's, people were generally treated like adults and professionals. Long since gone.

If you are going to join the military, join for what you plan to get out of it. Education benefits? Special training? Adventure? If you plan to make a career out of the military, best to become a commissioned or warrant officer. Pay and benefits are much better. You usually don't have to put up with as much bullshit as do the enlisted. You can be presented with some great opportunities, things you never even knew existed. Can allow you to do things at a much younger age compared to civilians doing the same sort of job. When in command, YOU are the designated shit-taker for the unit. YOU take it all, then decide how much, of any, you should drop on your people. There's nothing like commanding troops, at any level. And military retirement, while changing, is still a very good deal.

I think the being treated like children thing has its basis in the security badly behaving servicemen bring to the armed services.

Nothing like being woken up in the dead of the night because pvt buttfuck decided to assault someone because his girlfriend cheated on him.

All things considered the material benefits out weight the bullshit. There is also the reserves.

 

[The Demon]

I think the being treated like children thing has its basis in the security badly behaving servicemen bring to the armed services.

Nothing like being woken up in the dead of the night because pvt buttfuck decided to assault someone because his girlfriend cheated on him.

All things considered the material benefits out weight the bullshit. There is also the reserves.

reserves>national guard

 

[Antipathy]

I thought it was the Marines who were crayon eating speds.

Huh.

 

[The Demon]

I thought it was the Marines who were crayon eating speds.

Huh.

i would rather have a retarded marine by my side who works hard, than a genius airforce officer who's never seen a day of combat and is lazy

 

[Antipathy]

i would rather have a exceptional marine by my side who works hard, than a genius airforce officer who's never seen a day of combat and is lazy

So, the question is: Are the US Armed forces mostly incompetent? Public opinion of them is basically "haha crayon eaters maiming corpses and being tards," and there are a lot of 'contractors', and 'PMC's' which is doublespeak for outside agents literally being hired by the military to do the military's job.

 

[The Demon]

So, the question is: Are the US Armed forces mostly incompetent? Public opinion of them is basically "haha crayon eaters maiming corpses and being tards," and there are a lot of 'contractors', and 'PMC's' which is doublespeak for outside agents literally being hired by the military to do the military's job.

the US military is very competent, every military force on earth has issues like this that happen all the time. they're just kept out of the spotlight and in private. the US is one of the few ones where people are allowed to go public with these issues. if you want to see the US as a street fighter 2 turbo world superpower edition, then look up stuff about the iraqi war. keep in mind that they were on a mostly level playing field, but the US fucking destroyed iraqi forces due to the fact that their officers were allowed to be flexible and disobey orders. For a lot of military forces, you can cripple their entire airforce by destroying some command posts so that the jets and other aircraft in the air can't do anything because they can't receive orders. I'm sure that there are flexible militaries out there but they're few and far between, they usually use the old strategy of rigid military structure where you will be 100% court martialed for disobeying any order or acting to your own accordance, and here in the US one of the most famous instances of someone disobeying orders ended with the guy getting a medal of honor for outstanding bravery.

 

[los pepes]

Honestly what do people expect? They turned them from beach weirdos that swim around fucking with boats and shit to literal death squads that have spent almost two decades now kicking down doors and executing people.

There's probably nobody even around now that doesn't remember when their primary job was not killing people in the middle of the night in their homes, and anyone that's joined in the last ~15 years has joined expecting and wanting that to be a big part of the job.

I mean I get we needed them at the height of the sand nigger wars to do such dirty work, but people shouldn't act surprised that the guys that we've asked to spend 2 decades rotating deployments assassinating people have become all kind of savages.

 

[NN 401]

Honestly what do people expect? They turned them from beach weirdos that swim around fucking with boats and shit to literal death squads that have spent almost two decades now kicking down doors and executing people.

There's probably nobody even around now that doesn't remember when their primary job was not killing people in the middle of the night in their homes, and anyone that's joined in the last ~15 years has joined expecting and wanting that to be a big part of the job.

I mean I get we needed them at the height of the sand nigger wars to do such dirty work, but people shouldn't act surprised that the guys that we've asked to spend 2 decades rotating deployments assassinating people have become all kind of savages.

The other SF groups were doing the same sort of stuff. How are they not insane and these guys are?

 

[The Demon]

Honestly what do people expect? They turned them from beach weirdos that swim around fucking with boats and shit to literal death squads that have spent almost two decades now kicking down doors and executing people.

There's probably nobody even around now that doesn't remember when their primary job was not killing people in the middle of the night in their homes, and anyone that's joined in the last ~15 years has joined expecting and wanting that to be a big part of the job.

I mean I get we needed them at the height of the sand nigger wars to do such dirty work, but people shouldn't act surprised that the guys that we've asked to spend 2 decades rotating deployments assassinating people have become all kind of savages.

The other SF groups were doing the same sort of stuff. How are they not insane and these guys are?

it's simple

their training regiment is madness