Naruto/Boruto Griefing Thread

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It doesn't come close to how much I enjoy reminding people that Kishimoto himself has said straight from his retarded mouth that Sakura would be a terrible person for giving up on Sasuke. The implication is just... incredible! :story:
 
Something that has always confused me is in the Kage Summit Arc, and something that's rarely mentioned. So Naruto feels like shit after learning Sasuke's a wanted man who everyone is done with. Naruto finally gets to talk to him, and the speech is basically "We'll probably kill each other someday, and that's okay, ol buddy ol pal, because we're besties" and that speech makes Naruto feel better? And Kakashi and Sakura are also feeling better?

Like nothing was resolved from that. Sasuke is still an international terrorist who wants to kill everyone, Team 7 is broken beyond belief (at that point anyway), this will all just continue the cycle of hatred you've been fixated on all arc, why are you all smiling? I've never understood that.
 
Something that has always confused me is in the Kage Summit Arc, and something that's rarely mentioned. So Naruto feels like shit after learning Sasuke's a wanted man who everyone is done with. Naruto finally gets to talk to him, and the speech is basically "We'll probably kill each other someday, and that's okay, ol buddy ol pal, because we're besties" and that speech makes Naruto feel better? And Kakashi and Sakura are also feeling better?

Like nothing was resolved from that. Sasuke is still an international terrorist who wants to kill everyone, Team 7 is broken beyond belief (at that point anyway), this will all just continue the cycle of hatred you've been fixated on all arc, why are you all smiling? I've never understood that.
They are happy that he still sees them as friends because that means there is still hope to get him back.
 
They are happy that he still sees them as friends because that means there is still hope to get him back.
I feel like they could have achieved that without everyone being immediately giddy and cheerful. Especially when it's very likely Naruto and Sasuke would kill each other. I don't see at all how Sakura, or Kakashi "Teamwork" Hatake being happy about that makes sense. Then again I always found them, Naruto especially, too easy on Sasuke and all his nonsense, so ehh.
 
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I feel like they could have achieved that without everyone being immediately giddy and cheerful. Especially when it's very likely Naruto and Sasuke would kill each other. I don't see at all how Sakura, or Kakashi "Teamwork" Hatake being happy about that makes sense. Then again I always found them, Naruto especially, too easy on Sasuke and all his nonsense, so ehh.
Kishimoto said that he would consider Sakura a horrible person if she gave up on Sasuke, even after everything he did. I presume that it is the same with the other characters.
 
Kishimoto said that he would consider Sakura a horrible person if she gave up on Sasuke, even after everything he did. I presume that it is the same with the other characters.
Kishi's always been too obsessed with Sauce. The Uchiha in general, really. They never have any agency for their own actions, it's always some faff like the "Curse of Hatred" nonsense.
 
Kishi's always been too obsessed with Sauce.
True.

The Uchiha in general, really. They never have any agency for their own actions, it's always some faff like the "Curse of Hatred" nonsense.
They largely do not but not in the way most people think. They truly did nothing wrong beyond having two bad apples and trying to rebel for unjust abuse. However, the story gives them the "Curse of Hatred" as the great source of everything they do even when there is no reason for it. They have enough justification for their actions to be understandable but wrong. It makes them into lesser characters. "Why did Sasuke do all this?" "Manipulation, a lifetime of negativity and, maybe, mental illness." If that was what was said, Sasuke would have been far more sympathetic as opposed to "His clan has a curse". By making his troubles supernatural in nature, Kishi made Sasuke harder to relate too.
 
Kishi's always been too obsessed with Sauce. The Uchiha in general, really. They never have any agency for their own actions, it's always some faff like the "Curse of Hatred" nonsense.
Their the thinly veiled meta symbol for his estranged brother. Of course he can't let them go, much to everyone's chagrin.
 
Great. More of this train wreck.
Boruto TBV Ch. 22

This is such a nothing chapter I wasn't even going to talk about it. It's another big fighting chapter and these slow the pace of a monthly manga to a snails crawl. It's an entire month wait for new content and you read it in 2 seconds. It's a really big problem with TBV in particular. I had this criticism about the Granolah Arc in Dragonball Super which was absolutely INSUFFERABLE because it was nothing but fighting for an entire year's worth of releases. Boruto isn't nearly THAT bad but if they were to ever do something like the War Arc in Shippuden it would become just a massive slog to get through. Long fights just don't translate well to a monthly series and only work if you have several things going on at once or break up the monotony between chapters.

A lot of people are cooming over the cover art this week. It's Boruto this time, sporting a new blue dress shirt instead of of his white one. There's not really much of a difference between every other shot of Boruto and this. I like the blue a little bit better since it's just something different. However, holy shit is his neck off. It's standing like a solid foot from the rest of his body. Boruto looks like a friggin giraffe here if you stare at his neck for too long. His face is also weird too. He's got the traditional Ikemoto "Baby face" thing going on that I loath. We're not off to a good start.

The chapter picks up with Mitsuki and Araya when Jura pops out of a Claw Grime, shoots into the sky and starts flying off. He completely ignored the Soul Thorn Bulb to everyone's shock. He's not here to retrieve them, but is here for Boruto. Boruto is on the scene now, having saved Konohamaru. He tells Konohamaru to take the bulb and get going. Jura starts shooting at the two of them. Boruto throws Konohamaru out of the way and tells him to find the others. Boruto and Jura start fighting, the former hitting him with a Rasengan. Jura says fighting Boruto fills his heart with glee, even though it's a bad habit. We cut to Koshi and Eida who are talking about the obvious. According to them, Boruto is trying to buy time for the others to escape but Koji is pissed. He says Boruto can't beat Jura like this and he's as good as dead. He also says teleportation won't work and there's no real way of helping him.

Jura asks who Boruto's accomplice is and where to find him but Boruto refuses to answer. Jura asks him what is love as he thinks it's a weakness that's a byproduct of intelligence. He says his love has lured him to a place of death. The two keep fighting while Boruto tries to charge up Uzuhiko. Jura pins him down though and takes his sword. Boruto says that's a precious gift from Sasuke. Jura threatens to break it for the information he's looking for and saying love has doomed Boruto again. Boruto retorts with maybe love is a weakness, but that's why they'll never be more than trees and busts out, hitting him with Uzuhiko. Jura however undoes it almost instantly saying Uzuhiko is very similar to his tiny Bijuu Bombs and that's how we end the chapter.

Like I said, really brief nothing chapter. The only question I have is why is Uzuhiko like the Sniper shots Jura has? Uzuhiko is from the rotation of the planet while the Sniper shot is just a tiny Bijuu Bomb. Why does Rasengan hit him just fine but the Uzuhiko does nothing? How are these two similar in any way? I think he's alluding the Rasengan being made after the Bijuu Bombs in general but Uzuhiko isn't really the same thing. It's a very poorly done reference. It's also hilarious how in just a few days of in story time Boruto's best move has gone from one-shotting Hidari to completely useless against Jura.

There's also something to be said about Kashin Koji. His eyes see everything yet he can't have seen this coming? Seriously? Nobody needs future sight to see that Boruto ain't gonna just sit there and let his friends die. Boruto just isn't that kind of person and Koji should understand that by now. Heck, he's Jiraiya's clone and wasn't understanding people Jiraiya's whole schtick? This really is a fatal flaw of his but it's just not amounting to anything, at least not yet.

Edit: Credit to @Incecticyder for pointing this out. Koji in this chapter very seems to hint very heavily that he knows Uzuhiko won't work on Jura. Yet he didn't tell Boruto this before he teleported away. I fucking hate Kashin Koji.
 
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Man, when the whole Omnipotence shit happened, i was expecting Boruto to basically become a renegade and have to fight against the entire world to recover everyone's memories and stop Kawaki. They pulled a huge asspull to create this awesome sounding scenarios but...
Instead, they swept the entire Omnipotence plot under the rug in the first chapter and now we are fighting trees.


Fucking riveting writing.
 
This is such a nothing chapter I wasn't even going to talk about it. It's another big fighting chapter and these slow the pace of a monthly manga to a snails crawl. It's an entire month wait for new content and you read it in 2 seconds. It's a really big problem with TBV in particular. I had this criticism about the Granolah Arc in Dragonball Super which was absolutely INSUFFERABLE because it was nothing but fighting for an entire year's worth of releases. Boruto isn't nearly THAT bad but if they were to ever do something like the War Arc in Shippuden it would become just a massive slog to get through. Long fights just don't translate well to a monthly series and only work if you have several things going on at once or break up the monotony between chapters.
It is really hard to deal with such a small amount of pages. That is what I consider the problem. Such stories demand more pages or more issues. Maybe it should have been bi-monthly?

A lot of people are cooming over the cover art this week. It's Boruto this time, sporting a new blue dress shirt instead of of his white one. There's not really much of a difference between every other shot of Boruto and this. I like the blue a little bit better since it's just something different. However, holy shit is his neck off. It's standing like a solid foot from the rest of his body. Boruto looks like a friggin giraffe here if you stare at his neck for too long. His face is also weird too. He's got the traditional Ikemoto "Baby face" thing going on that I loath. We're not off to a good start.
It is a normal cover. I do not see the point of all the noise. He has done better, he has done worse.

The chapter picks up with Mitsuki and Araya when Jura pops out of a Claw Grime, shoots into the sky and starts flying off. He completely ignored the Soul Thorn Bulb to everyone's shock. He's not here to retrieve them, but is here for Boruto. Boruto is on the scene now, having saved Konohamaru. He tells Konohamaru to take the bulb and get going. Jura starts shooting at the two of them. Boruto throws Konohamaru out of the way and tells him to find the others. Boruto and Jura start fighting, the former hitting him with a Rasengan. Jura says fighting Boruto fills his heart with glee, even though it's a bad habit. We cut to Koshi and Eida who are talking about the obvious. According to them, Boruto is trying to buy time for the others to escape but Koji is pissed. He says Boruto can't beat Jura like this and he's as good as dead. He also says teleportation won't work and there's no real way of helping him.
I hate Kashin Koji. He is the trickster mentor that will keep half the information hidden from you only to be surprised when you have a problem with it. He did not prepare Boruto for the inevitability of death and now Boruto stops trusting him. You lied to an emotional teenager, of course he would rebel. If he was honest about things from the start, he would not be in this situation that he is right now.

Jura asks who Boruto's accomplice is and where to find him but Boruto refuses to answer. Jura asks him what is love as he thinks it's a weakness that's a byproduct of intelligence. He says his love has lured him to a place of death. The two keep fighting while Boruto tries to charge up Uzuhiko. Jura pins him down though and takes his sword. Boruto says that's a precious gift from Sasuke. Jura threatens to break it for the information he's looking for and saying love has doomed Boruto again. Boruto retorts with maybe love is a weakness, but that's why they'll never be more than trees and busts out, hitting him with Uzuhiko. Jura however undoes it almost instantly saying Uzuhiko is very similar to his tiny Bijuu Bombs and that's how we end the chapter.
I really do not like this "what is love" argument. Ikemoto is not smart enough to ask such philosophical questions. "Love is necessary to create and maintain societies and civilizations. Without that glue to hold people together, there can be neither as the people will not think of each other as kin and nothing will lead them to work together." There Ikemoto, I did the work for you. Just remember to credit me.

Like I said, really brief nothing chapter. The only question I have is why is Uzuhiko like the Sniper shots Jura has? Uzuhiko is from the rotation of the planet while the Sniper shot is just a tiny Bijuu Bomb. Why does Rasengan hit him just fine but the Uzuhiko does nothing? How are these two similar in any way? I think he's alluding the Rasengan being made after the Bijuu Bombs in general but Uzuhiko isn't really the same thing. It's a very poorly done reference. It's also hilarious how in just a few days of in story time Boruto's best move has gone from one-shotting Hidari to completely useless against Jura.
It is CERTAINLY referencing the fact that the Rasengan was based on the Biju Bomb. Problem is, Ikemoto is not a good writer and it feels wrong. It is right, it just FEELS wrong. Indeed, Uzuhiko is different from a normal Rasengan as it is more Taijutsu based.

ALSO, QUICK QUESTION! If Koji could see the future, why did he not worn Boruto that his new trump card was useless on Jura? Sounds like something he should have mentioned on day one of the Uzuhiko training. He should have also taught him other jutsu to use on Jura. Goddammit, it is tiring! Ikemoto forgets his plot all the time!

There's also something to be said about Kashin Koji. His eyes see everything yet he can't have seen this coming? Seriously? Nobody needs future sight to see that Boruto ain't gonna just sit there and let his friends die. Boruto just isn't that kind of person and Koji should understand that by now. Heck, he's Jiraiya's clone and wasn't understanding people Jiraiya's whole schtick? This really is a fatal flaw of his but it's just not amounting to anything, at least not yet.
To be fair, Jiraiya made mistakes too. He did nothing for Danzo, he did not keep in touch with the orphans, he did not teach Naruto jutsu etc etc. There was not enough thought put into Kashin Koji or his role in the story, imo.

Man, when the whole Omnipotence shit happened, i was expecting Boruto to basically become a renegade and have to fight against the entire world to recover everyone's memories and stop Kawaki. They pulled a huge asspull to create this awesome sounding scenarios but...
Instead, they swept the entire Omnipotence plot under the rug in the first chapter and now we are fighting trees.


Fucking riveting writing.
It is a really hard plot to write as it will have to dominate all the narrative. There is not enough room for much else. Developing other characters is a bitch as you have to write around the constant psychic mindwipe happening that prevents progress. I would much prefer that Boruto was framed for murder the normal way as it is so much easier to resolve. They should not have allowed that plot to happen.
 
Man, when the whole Omnipotence shit happened, i was expecting Boruto to basically become a renegade and have to fight against the entire world to recover everyone's memories and stop Kawaki. They pulled a huge asspull to create this awesome sounding scenarios but...
Its easy to speak in hindsight, but I thought what would've been the better move was to turn Konoha into a complete Surveillance State looking for Boruto. Make Kawaki into this kind of Big Brother figure who's eyes and ears are everywhere. The first couple chapters could cover the time gap of Sarada and Sumire desperately trying to convince everyone that Omnipotence happened. When that failed, maybe form an underground group with Eida to work to undo Omnipotence. Then they could communicate in code and messages to each other....you know...USING THEIR NINJA SKILLS to avoid Kawaki's watchful eye. Which would be the only way they can talk about the situation since Kawaki isn't a ninja and wouldn't pick up on it. We could pick up with Code's invasion in chapter 4 and build up Boruto's return a bit instead of him just randomly showing up.

Omnipotence was retconned no less than 5 times to try to make it work. It just made too many inconveniences until they just wanted to get away from it. It's more or less just accepted as fact and whether it can be undone or not isn't even a concern anymore. Everyone's just accepted it and nobody's bothering to try. It's the type of thing that works fine when you plan out a story but Boruto is written on the fly. I've griped about this before but they had an entire year between OG and TBV to hammer this stuff out. Instead it's very clear to me Ikemoto was more interested in researching Korean fashion design and making some of the most over designed outfits possible because that's where his priorities really are. The plot is very much secondary to him and that's why we get these fighting chapters that are virtually worthless to the overall narrative. Does anyone care about Boruto vs. Jura? Does anyone buy that 20 chapters in we're going to kill off Boruto? No? Then it's 40 pages of JUST padding to buy you another month to come up with something? Is this plan retarded on Koji's part? Are we going to question it? No? Okay, sure.

It is really hard to deal with such a small amount of pages. That is what I consider the problem. Such stories demand more pages or more issues. Maybe it should have been bi-monthly?
It definitely should've been bi-weekly. The pace could be dealt with a lot better then. However, I just don't see Ikemoto doing it. Ikemoto will not accept help when it comes to drawing. The art is entirely done by him and he has autistically refused any kind of genuine help. It makes this manga impossible to shove out any faster than it's currently being produced.

It is a normal cover. I do not see the point of all the noise. He has done better, he has done worse.
I don't like Boruto's neck at all. It's off model. I'm willing to concede it's probably a scanning error or something with the print that makes it seem longer than it is, but it's just...off.

If he was honest about things from the start, he would not be in this situation that he is right now.
He's very much acting like he's playing a game with pieces on the board. It's convenient how Ten Directions doesn't tell him about his own failings.

I really do not like this "what is love" argument. Ikemoto is not smart enough to ask such philosophical questions.
I'm willing to give the Trees a break on this because they've been alive for all of...I don't know, a week? Maybe two? A month, absolute tops? (The entirety of Boruto so far is only over a handful of days.) Except for Jura. Which is who most of this bs is coming from. He's supposed to be the smart one. He reads tons of books and loves knowledge. Why wouldn't he figure out what love is by now? It's kind of absurd he hasn't figured that out yet. In fact, it's absolutely retarded.

If Koji could see the future, why did he not worn Boruto that his new trump card was useless on Jura? Sounds like something he should have mentioned on day one of the Uzuhiko training. He should have also taught him other jutsu to use on Jura. Goddammit, it is tiring! Ikemoto forgets his plot all the time!
.............You know the worst part is that the chapter very much seems to allude that Koji knew it wouldn't work. I completely missed that.


Koji is a fucking dick.
 
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Its easy to speak in hindsight, but I thought what would've been the better move was to turn Konoha into a complete Surveillance State looking for Boruto. Make Kawaki into this kind of Big Brother figure who's eyes and ears are everywhere. The first couple chapters could cover the time gap of Sarada and Sumire desperately trying to convince everyone that Omnipotence happened. When that failed, maybe form an underground group with Eida to work to undo Omnipotence. Then they could communicate in code and messages to each other....you know...USING THEIR NINJA SKILLS to avoid Kawaki's watchful eye. Which would be the only way they can talk about the situation since Kawaki isn't a ninja and wouldn't pick up on it. We could pick up with Code's invasion in chapter 4 and build up Boruto's return a bit instead of him just randomly showing up.
That could have worked but Ikemoto is not a good writer. Also, ninja-ing has disappeared from the series. Now everyone throws energy blasts or gets killed.

Omnipotence was retconned no less than 5 times to try to make it work. It just made too many inconveniences until they just wanted to get away from it. It's more or less just accepted as fact and whether it can be undone or not isn't even a concern anymore. Everyone's just accepted it and nobody's bothering to try. It's the type of thing that works fine when you plan out a story but Boruto is written on the fly. I've griped about this before but they had an entire year between OG and TBV to hammer this stuff out. Instead it's very clear to me Ikemoto was more interested in researching Korean fashion design and making some of the most over designed outfits possible because that's where his priorities really are. The plot is very much secondary to him and that's why we get these fighting chapters that are virtually worthless to the overall narrative. Does anyone care about Boruto vs. Jura? Does anyone buy that 20 chapters in we're going to kill off Boruto? No? Then it's 40 pages of JUST padding to buy you another month to come up with something? Is this plan retarded on Koji's part? Are we going to question it? No? Okay, sure.
It is really hard to make constant memory manipulation work as a story. It is harder than time travel. They should have planned 3 years in advance at least. And that includes having to work with proofreaders that try to find plot holes and contradicting elements. Add the fact that there are other plots that are concurrent with the main plot such as the Trees, Code being usurped, other nations, Konoha being split between those who believe Boruto and those who do not, Kawaki with his crusade, Eida and her misgivings, Amado with his daughter and everything else and you get an immense clusterfuck.
 
I honestly think that Gachiakuta's Rudo is a better Naruto than Naruto. He isn't delusionally optimistic or trusting, a fair more realistic depiction of someone who has suffered from an abusive childhood, with little to no social skills, has anti-social tendencies, but unlike Gaara who was just turbo edgy, Rudo was still keeping it together to a point that he can still function before joining the Cleaners.

The plot also doesn't paint him as an underdog, so there's that.

What do you think?
 
It definitely should've been bi-weekly. The pace could be dealt with a lot better then. However, I just don't see Ikemoto doing it. Ikemoto will not accept help when it comes to drawing. The art is entirely done by him and he has autistically refused any kind of genuine help. It makes this manga impossible to shove out any faster than it's currently being produced.
Well, that is on him then. With no one to help him, he has no one to push the blame to.

I don't like Boruto's neck at all. It's off model. I'm willing to concede it's probably a scanning error or something with the print that makes it seem longer than it is, but it's just...off.
I am just saying that the art tends to be bad in Boruto anyway. Weird neck here, bad faces there. It happens all the time. Necks can be weird like that. We should do away with them. The Queen of Hearts and the French got it right!

He's very much acting like he's playing a game with pieces on the board. It's convenient how Ten Directions doesn't tell him about his own failings.
It might work like Haki in One Piece. It can tell you what others will do if you do not act but not if you do act. Still, if he knew that Boruto would probably run off if he saw his friends dying, he should have practiced his debate skills.

I'm willing to give the Trees a break on this because they've been alive for all of...I don't know, a week? Maybe two? A month, absolute tops? (The entirety of Boruto so far is only over a handful of days.) Except for Jura. Which is who most of this bs is coming from. He's supposed to be the smart one. He reads tons of books and loves knowledge. Why wouldn't he figure out what love is by now? It's kind of absurd he hasn't figured that out yet. In fact, it's absolutely retarded.
Jura is the "philosopher" villain. The author is trying to explore humanity using him and it is badly executed.

.............You know the worst part is that the chapter very much seems to allude that Koji knew it wouldn't work. I completely missed that.


Koji is a fucking dick.
Koji is a cripple. Others have a bad leg, he has a bad author. So sad.
 
I feel like they could have achieved that without everyone being immediately giddy and cheerful. Especially when it's very likely Naruto and Sasuke would kill each other. I don't see at all how Sakura, or Kakashi "Teamwork" Hatake being happy about that makes sense. Then again I always found them, Naruto especially, too easy on Sasuke and all his nonsense, so ehh.
Making everyone a 'good guy' is the downfall of Naruto. By the end of the series the image and reputation of practically every single character has been rehabilitated. The villains of the firs few arcs in the end become heroic or tragic figures. Once Itachi was revealed to be a secretly good person, a twist that fans called from beginning, it set up the predictable arc for Sasuke to have his redemption.

But by the end of the show people like Orochimaru and the Nine-Tails are now comic relief and joyful characters. A truly shocking ending would have been Itachi just being evil. And Sasuke becoming evil. Not the standard Darth Vader becomes Anakin again writing that practically everyone copies now.
 
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