Naruto/Boruto Griefing Thread

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It’s more the perversion of the dead and ripping others from whatever comes next. Madara can be a seething zombie, but ripping others from the Afterlife or whatever comes next is the big no-no.

I feel like when you resurrect hundreds of people and force them to fight against their will you deserve a metaphysical spanking. I always liked Myth 2: Soulblighter for outright saying “Yeah, Soulblighter is getting megaraped for trying to usurp the cycle.”

Madara, from what can be inferred, instigated a lot of wars. If you exclude Zetsu then it’s literally a “It was me Barry!” situation. Like every fucking villain springs from him. He might’ve actually killed Orochimaru’s parents. He seems petty enough.
I feel like the only true crime one can commit against a death god is immortality. With the undead, the death god could dismiss it as humans being humans. A prolonged mid-credit scene after the movie ends. Immortality makes it so that the movie never ends.
 
In my opinion, Madara was made too competent. No weaknesses, got stronger all the time and he had to nerf himself by not using the Rinnegan abilities apart from summoning meteors. Victory would have felt hollow. Kaguya would not have been a bad choice had she been hinted and had actual fighting skills (and no BZ).
That's just the power creep endemic in late naruto, especially in regards to the Uchihas. I wonder if after naruto just straight up went super saiyan if Kishi had any regret?
 
I recently finished listening to Shippuden and half watching it. Kinda got insane near the end but overall it was a fun journey. Glad they got the stones to kill off characters I just wish that weight of the world was expressed a little more in the final confrontation. Actually, the entire last arc of Shippuden was strange. Boruto, I did two episodes and I'm out. I can hear the burnout in the dialog and miss the edge that Shippuden had.
 
I recently finished listening to Shippuden and half watching it. Kinda got insane near the end but overall it was a fun journey. Glad they got the stones to kill off characters I just wish that weight of the world was expressed a little more in the final confrontation. Actually, the entire last arc of Shippuden was strange. Boruto, I did two episodes and I'm out. I can hear the burnout in the dialog and miss the edge that Shippuden had.
Having the balls to kill off a character that you had abandoned for hundreds and hundreds of chapters and had no idea on where to go with him is hardly impressive. Every chance Neji had to be developed was squandered. Same goes for most of the Konoha 12. It is almost funny that Neji died as a way to FORCE Hinata and Naruto to grow closer only to then have Naruto introduce SAKURA as his girlfriend to HIS FATHER! That was the last time Naruto and Minato ever talked! That means that Minato lost his one chance to meet his real daughter-in-law! This is what I call missed opportunities! Naruto is filled to the brim with these! A lot of Naruto could have minor tweaks to make for a better story but Kishimoto chose to either retcon or failed to notice the opportunities at hand! Most of Konoha 12 could have been erased and it would not matter because nothing was to be done with them either way.
 
I remember when i read the chapter of Neji's death i felt ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You can't ignore a character for like 500 chapters and then kill him and expect the reader to give a shit. By that point you might as well have considered Neji a faceless redshirt and it would have had the same impact.

It is bad writing to build up a bunch of characters during the Chunin Exams and then completely do nothing with them after the timeskip. Maybe instead of giving the Sharingan buff #46 he could have actually developed his characters.
 
For all the hype surrounding it, the job of a Hokage is pretty lame when there's no active war going on. It's just a bunch of pencil pushing. Naruto ended up with a job where he doesn't get to use his skills to their fullest extent, his family ended up on the margins of his time, and his son wound up resenting him over it.
This is part of everyone's gripes with Boruto. On principle, sure everyone can relate to a busy dad and wanting him around and being pissed off when he isn't. I get it. The problem is Naruto can literally be everywhere at once. It just makes Boruto come off as such fucking shitstain.

So is this god awful franchise done yet? Did they come up with a bad guy worse than Kaguya for Boruto?
Yes you remember the Divine Tree from the end of Naruto? Well there's more of those now. They also became sentient and possessed people like Moegi. Yes that one girl who was around Konohamaru. She's a bad guy now. Also Sasuke is a tree both in the sense I described above and quite literally.
 
This is part of everyone's gripes with Boruto. On principle, sure everyone can relate to a busy dad and wanting him around and being pissed off when he isn't. I get it. The problem is Naruto can literally be everywhere at once. It just makes Boruto come off as such fucking shitstain.
I have to blame this on Naruto too. He could have used the clones for most of the work but did not. He could have spend some time with his family while the clones handled the paperwork with Naruto coming to deal with the physical stuff that could poof the clones.
 
I have to blame this on Naruto too. He could have used the clones for most of the work but did not. He could have spend some time with his family while the clones handled the paperwork with Naruto coming to deal with the physical stuff that could poof the clones.
Naruto already got screwed over by his shadow clones before.

When searching for a free toilet, each clone went in trying to take a dump and locked each stall.

There's also the risk that a postal worker asks each clone to sign their petition until one of them agrees to it because they don't share the experience until after getting poofed.

Clones best use would be for factory work & suicide attacks rather than paperwork.
 
Naruto already got screwed over by his shadow clones before.

When searching for a free toilet, each clone went in trying to take a dump and locked each stall.

There's also the risk that a postal worker asks each clone to sign their petition until one of them agrees to it because they don't share the experience until after getting poofed.

Clones best use would be for factory work & suicide attacks rather than paperwork.
I am not saying it would be perfect but a lot of busywork could be done with clones. The previous Hokage still found time for themselves and their family. Same goes for the other Kage. Tsunade was able to train Sakura while being Hokage after all while at an era that was much less peaceful. If the clones were poofing themselves every now and then only to make sure Naruto is on the same page as them, it would be solving most of the problems. There is no excuse for not being able to take some time off. Even Shikamaru had time to teach Shikadai.
 
Here's my question, what paperwork is naruto doing exactly? How much administrative work does a village of wizard mercenaries really have? Let alone that needs the top wizard mercenary to sign off on? Not to mention we never see any of the other kages dealing with the constant bureaucracy? Gaara clearly has free time.

This goes back to another complaint I made where we have no real idea of how the konaha villages government is structured.
 
Here's my question, what paperwork is naruto doing exactly? How much administrative work does a village of wizard mercenaries really have? Let alone that needs the top wizard mercenary to sign off on? Not to mention we never see any of the other kages dealing with the constant bureaucracy? Gaara clearly has free time.

This goes back to another complaint I made where we have no real idea of how the konaha villages government is structured.
I can explain it: Retcon. We were shown that the office of the Hokage was busy but never that busy. He is shown to be busier at peace than one is at war. Kishi wanted to write Boruto as someone who needs his parent's attention but it was hard as he was not an orphan. Thus, he made the office of Hokage be far busier than it ever was in previous adorations. He can't seem to write a child that is not basically an orphan.
 
I can explain it: Retcon. We were shown that the office of the Hokage was busy but never that busy. He is shown to be busier at peace than one is at war. Kishi wanted to write Boruto as someone who needs his parent's attention but it was hard as he was not an orphan. Thus, he made the office of Hokage be far busier than it ever was in previous adorations. He can't seem to write a child that is not basically an orphan.
I can kind of give some credit (that will immediately be taken away) in that it appears he is overseeing a massive expansion and modernization of his village, which I can imagine makes him far busier than the others prior to him and even his other top wizards from the other nations. However, he is also a fucking moron who seems intent on not handing any of these administrative duties to subordinates or those who are simply better suited for such tasks (like Shikamaru).

Then there is the obvious problem of having the top wizard be in such a position at all to do nothing but administrative work. Since it makes far more sense to have your best warrior actually going outside doing shit with their magic powers rather than waste away behind a desk doing paperwork. Hell, it would work BETTER for what Kishimoto wanted to convey. Instead of having Naruto constantly behind a desk to be with his family, he is instead on dangerous missions in foreign nations constantly to protect the village. Makes Boruto's frustrations more realistic as his father has been physically absent most of his life, makes Naruto more sympathetic/understandable since he is doing something that is actually worth such a sacrifice and it just makes fucking sense in general for the world Kishimoto created.

It of course all comes back to Kishimoto not thinking any of this shit through and being completely surface level in crafting his world, plot and characters.
 
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What else can you expect when the most readers want from this drivel is "ninja wizards cool fights bro"? It ain't that deep bro, so why do you care? - Narutard.

What else can you expect when the most readers want from this drivel is "ninja wizards cool fights bro"? It was never that deep, so it's best to look to a more developed story, ironically enough, in anime like Delicious in Dungeon. Or, hell, Frieren. - Normal Person.
 
I can kind of give some credit (that will immediately be taken away) in that it appears he is overseeing a massive expansion and modernization of his village, which I can imagine makes him far busier than the others prior to him and even his other top wizards from the other nations. However, he is also a fucking moron who seems intent on not handing any of these administrative duties to subordinates or those who are simply better suited for such tasks (like Shikamaru).
Except much of that expansion should no have to do with him. The hidden villages are a small part of the countries. Outside the village borders, there are different authorities that handle things such as the Daimyo. Also, the mayors do not oversee every building being built, just the ones that receive public funds. And yes, other departments of the government usually deal with such stuff.

Then there is the obvious problem of having the top wizard be in such a position at all to do nothing but administrative work. Since it makes far more sense to have your best warrior actually going outside doing shit with their magic powers rather than waste away behind a desk doing paperwork. Hell, it would work BETTER for what Kishimoto wanted to convey. Instead of having Naruto constantly behind a desk to be with his family, he is instead on dangerous missions in foreign nations constantly to protect the village. Makes Boruto's frustrations more realistic as his father has been physically absent most of his life, makes Naruto more sympathetic/understandable since he is doing something that is actually worth such a sacrifice and it just makes fucking sense in general for the world Kishimoto created.
Kishimoto truly wanted Boruto to have the same problem as Naruto with some differences. In my opinion, Boruto should have been a different character. Right now, he is a more obnoxious and edgy Naruto.

What else can you expect when the most readers want from this drivel is "ninja wizards cool fights bro"? It ain't that deep bro, so why do you care? - Narutard.

What else can you expect when the most readers want from this drivel is "ninja wizards cool fights bro"? It was never that deep, so it's best to look to a more developed story, ironically enough, in anime like Delicious in Dungeon. Or, hell, Frieren. - Normal Person.
I always hate the "It is not meant to be deep" argument. It is not the defense one thinks it is. Stories can be deep in their own, equal, way. One thing might be more important for one person or the other but it matters not. To say that the author was not trying to add depth into the story is to dismiss every ounce of time, sweat, blood and tears that was put into it. Kishimoto made a deep story. His flaws prevented it from being as good and well made as it could have been but that is another story.
 
Having the balls to kill off a character that you had abandoned for hundreds and hundreds of chapters and had no idea on where to go with him is hardly impressive. Every chance Neji had to be developed was squandered. Same goes for most of the Konoha 12. It is almost funny that Neji died as a way to FORCE Hinata and Naruto to grow closer only to then have Naruto introduce SAKURA as his girlfriend to HIS FATHER! That was the last time Naruto and Minato ever talked! That means that Minato lost his one chance to meet his real daughter-in-law! This is what I call missed opportunities! Naruto is filled to the brim with these! A lot of Naruto could have minor tweaks to make for a better story but Kishimoto chose to either retcon or failed to notice the opportunities at hand! Most of Konoha 12 could have been erased and it would not matter because nothing was to be done with them either way.
Naruto and Hinata just makes sense IF the author wasn't a ditz who kept him simping after Sakura for so long. And Hinata deserved better than the pain fight since she was to be the eventual wife of the MC.
 
It is almost funny that Neji died as a way to FORCE Hinata and Naruto to grow closer only to then have Naruto introduce SAKURA as his girlfriend to HIS FATHER!
Naruto and Hinata just makes sense IF the author wasn't a ditz who kept him simping after Sakura for so long. And Hinata deserved better than the pain fight since she was to be the eventual wife of the MC.
Going by optics, Naruto and Hinata makes more sense she's the only one who didn't shun him from the very beginning. Going by actual story though, he has more chemistry with Sakura. Heck, Sakura has more chemistry with him than Sasuke. The story never says anything about Sakura's total infatuation with Sasuke. They could've shown him saving her life back when they were toddlers so she could go "This isn't you Sasuke, remember the time when you saved me from..." during Sasuke's edgelord psycho phase. But no, it's never show to have any deeper roots than a childhood crush. I guess I just find the whole thing odd, Naruto's not really hideously ugly, and he's an all around decent person. So her "mental block" preventing her from developing any genuine feelings for him is a bit of a head-scratcher. Guess sometimes, people are like that, what can ya do?

Worse. He modeled Sakura after his wife. 🤦‍♂️
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The fact that he modelled after his wife (while modelling Naruto after himself), depicted her the way she is and had him end up with another girl has me pondering over the implications behind all of this.
 
Naruto and Hinata just makes sense IF the author wasn't a ditz who kept him simping after Sakura for so long. And Hinata deserved better than the pain fight since she was to be the eventual wife of the MC.
Name a Naruto character and I will tell you of how much potential they squandered. The Akatsuki should have had subordinates for the weaker heroes to show off their skills. I am reminded of the Bleach fights and how the fan favourites always get a chance to fight. In Naruto, Kiba, Shino and Ten-Ten could have joined Neji in the afterlife and no one would notice. They never had kids that we know off (we suspect Ten-Ten is Metal's mother but we are not sure plus Rock Lee might reproduce asexually) nor character arcs.

Going by optics, Naruto and Hinata makes more sense she's the only one who didn't shun him from the very beginning. Going by actual story though, he has more chemistry with Sakura. Heck, Sakura has more chemistry with him than Sasuke. The story never says anything about Sakura's total infatuation with Sasuke. They could've shown him saving her life back when they were toddlers so she could go "This isn't you Sasuke, remember the time when you saved me from..." during Sasuke's edgelord psycho phase. But no, it's never show to have any deeper roots than a childhood crush. I guess I just find the whole thing odd, Naruto's not really hideously ugly, and he's an all around decent person. So her "mental block" preventing her from developing any genuine feelings for him is a bit of a head-scratcher. Guess sometimes, people are like that, what can ya do?
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The fact that he modelled after his wife (while modelling Naruto after himself), depicted her the way she is and had him end up with another girl has me pondering over the implications behind all of this.
I am not sure if this is the kind of chemistry one wants. Spousal abuse is not what one should use to build a relationship out of. At least Hinata is a better role model and wife. She does not throw temper tantrums like madman either.
 
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