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JamusActimus said:
Also kinda wack how Deku is just a Naruto style fake underdog. The guy had the chosen one quirk since the very start
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In Naruto's defense at least he didn't know he was the chosen one. Deku gets pulled aside by the world's greatest super hero and made his apprentice and just given the greatest superpower like episode one.
 
Sniperwoof said:
The moral of this manga ended up being "You're either born exceptional or you're doomed to be a wagie."
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Any manga that starts with "Hard work will lead you to great things!" Almost always ends up being the biggest piece of chosen one slop you'll ever see.

I guess the nips just genuinely don't believe in any kind idealism that way. Honestly, their society as a whole makes the whole premise of My Hero kind of fall apart.

They always have to turn their protagonist into a regular corpo wagie, or they reduce an exciting and fantastical profession into the equivalent of one.

It's just their way. All Japanese fiction has a shitty ending or one vaguely tinged with tragedy dating all the way back to when the first slant eye put ink to paper.

The Jap hero WILL get in the cage. He WILL NOT get the girl. It's just their way.
 
TerminalTryHard said:
In Naruto's defense at least he didn't know he was the chosen one. Deku gets pulled aside by the world's greatest super hero and made his apprentice and just given the greatest superpower like episode one.
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Nah. Didn't Deku just hitch a ride on All Might's Superman jump, and get told "No, you quirkless dipshit. You can't be a hero. Fuck off," before AM has a come to nostalgia moment when he sees Deku rush for Bakugo suffocating in that slime monster, and then claims the dork as his successor?

...At the end of the day, it's all just the Make-A-Wish Foundation, but capesuit.

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One fucking job, Horikoshi...

Speaking of bad endings, when will a modern shonen ever have a good conclusion to their "final war" arc?
 
Kurohige said:
Nah. Didn't Deku just hitch a ride on All Might's Superman jump, and get told "No, you quirkless dipshit. You can't be a hero. Fuck off," before AM has a come to nostalgia moment when he sees Deku rush for Bakugo suffocating in that slime monster, and then claims the dork as his successor?

...At the end of the day, it's all just the Make-A-Wish Foundation, but capesuit.

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One fucking job, Horikoshi...

Speaking of bad endings, when will a modern shonen ever have a good conclusion to their "final war" arc?
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I honestly can't remember but I know he was being trained by AM before he even got into superhero school.
 
Honestly, I could give less of a fuck with the discourse surrounding the ending. I may be a fan, but I will never associate myself with those animals. The ending is mid, I’ll tell you what. However, since I will be corrected by MHA puritans and dissidents in Xitter if I voiced my sentiment, I will just let them be so they will eat each other.
 
Kurohige said:
Speaking of bad endings, when will a modern shonen ever have a good conclusion to their "final war" arc?
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You kinda can't. Mangaka seem to resort to prolongued war arcs because they've hit their exhaustion points for working on this thing and want to rush through all the things they think need doing as quickly as they can before they drop dead. A shame that they seem to just universally suck at doing it, though.

So many chapters in these last four years that were unnecessary, so many unforced errors that made things go on way longer than they needed to and be significantly less satisfying when they were resolved. Dabi really should have gone down to Shoto in that first bout, Ochako should have taken down Toga while both were still on Delay Deku Island, none of the stuff involving Gigantomachia or Spinner should have happened, Star & Stripe never should have happened at all, and Shigaraki should have turned on AFO and dusted him before this war started.
 
you know what something?
Either the AoT and MHA endings are total stupid bullshit if you compare to Cyberpunk 2077's Phantom Liberty special ending.
All of them are protagonists giving up their powers/abilities/jobs for reasons, but in the game at least gave you the feeling of "begin again" at the end of the final cutscene.
 
Prophetic Spirit said:
you know what something?
Either the AoT and MHA endings are total stupid bullshit if you compare to Cyberpunk 2077's Phantom Liberty special ending.
All of them are protagonists giving up their powers/abilities/jobs for reasons, but in the game at least gave you the feeling of "begin again" at the end of the final cutscene.
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That's a good point, you can have an ending with the protagonist giving up their power, but at least make it so they start again on their own terms. Even if Deku gets his Iron Man suit, it's basically him getting his power from All Might again, meaning he never grew from being a whiny kid who needed someone more powerful to give him pity superpowers.
 
Prophetic Spirit said:
you know what something?
Either the AoT and MHA endings are total stupid bullshit if you compare to Cyberpunk 2077's Phantom Liberty special ending.
All of them are protagonists giving up their powers/abilities/jobs for reasons, but in the game at least gave you the feeling of "begin again" at the end of the final cutscene.
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The best ending in line with this idea(at least in my limited reading) is FMA. Ed gave up Alchemy to achieve his goal of getting Al's body back, and while there's a bit of melancholy to its loss, he picks himself back up and keeps going, focusing his efforts on the theoretical aspects of Alchemy. And he gets the girl.
 
Rykel22 said:
The best ending in line with this idea(at least in my limited reading) is FMA. Ed gave up Alchemy to achieve his goal of getting Al's body back, and while there's a bit of melancholy to its loss, he picks himself back up and keeps going, focusing his efforts on the theoretical aspects of Alchemy. And he gets the girl.
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FMA also had the overarching theme that you cannot gain something without sacrificing something of equal value, which is a fucking great theme to easily build your characters off of; which made it easy for the audience to care about said characters, because all you had to do to establish said character was ask “what did this character have to sacrifice?” MHA had nothing of the sort, and the sparse theming it did have it threw away with this ending. Part of the issue is that the biggest theme of the series, giving your all as a hero to save as many lives as possible, was resolved with United States of Smash.
 
McMitch said:
FMA also had the overarching theme that you cannot gain something without sacrificing something of equal value, which is a fucking great theme to easily build your characters off of; which made it easy for the audience to care about said characters, because all you had to do to establish said character was ask “what did this character have to sacrifice?” MHA had nothing of the sort, and the sparse theming it did have it threw away with this ending. Part of the issue is that the biggest theme of the series, giving your all as a hero to save as many lives as possible, was resolved with United States of Smash.
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MHA betrays almost every theme/message it sets up

"Pass the torch to the next generation" = All for One, All Might, and Endeavor take more of the spotlight away from their successors. Deku himself is just All Might 2.0 and doesn't grow beyond that.

"Everyone deserves a second chance" = The people Deku and Ochako tried to give second chances too ended up being killed or committed suicide. Shoto saved Dabi but he's going to die anyway. Killing villains is perfectly fine in Shonen, don't get me wrong, but if that was your plan, maybe don't make a big deal about wanting to save them.

"Corrupt Society needs to change" = Society ends up becoming worse while the ending acts like things are better.

"Anyone can be a hero" = Quirkless people can't be heroes, and Deku is only a hero through handouts.

Horikoshi tries to do ths social commentary and have themes but undermines it with dumb messages ("Stop racism by shaming racists and someday they'll see that being racist is bad') or by tying almost every bad thing to All For One being the cause of almost every bad thing in the world.

Meanwhile TVTropes acts like MHA is some subversive deconstruction when it follows shonen and capeshit tropes to a T.
 
Rykel22 said:
The best ending in line with this idea(at least in my limited reading) is FMA. Ed gave up Alchemy to achieve his goal of getting Al's body back, and while there's a bit of melancholy to its loss, he picks himself back up and keeps going, focusing his efforts on the theoretical aspects of Alchemy. And he gets the girl.
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Being a hero is inherently sacrificial, you are risking your life, health and time for the benefit of others for no cost. Spider man pretty much set the tone for all hero comics from being more of a power fantasy into more relatable takes.

MHA deliberately ignores that point and instead treats being an hero as an idol power fantasy, it works well at first but falls apart when it needs to tone change into more adult issues.
 
This is probably the worst ending I have seen a manga series end off with since Fairy Tail.

A betrayal of its core themes? A protag that pretty much gets cucked of every narrative resolution? A main plot that proves itself pointless at the and and is a complete thematic and ludo-narrative web of nonsense? MHA has it all.

I also got to love how youtubers like Plot Armor and Zhoniin sucking the dick of this ending HARD. They have to be paid off actors or something cause the copeium is real.

I liked the series at first, but after the overhaul arc I lost interest as I felt the manga became unfocused and confused. Guess I was right.
 
Kurohige said:
Nah. Didn't Deku just hitch a ride on All Might's Superman jump, and get told "No, you quirkless dipshit. You can't be a hero. Fuck off," before AM has a come to nostalgia moment when he sees Deku rush for Bakugo suffocating in that slime monster, and then claims the dork as his successor?
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He did. It’s why All Moght says in the Final Chapter that Deku rushing off to help without thinking and just trying to do his best is his actual super power. Which matchess his super hero name meaning or spunding like ‘do your best’.

Would’ve been a good ending if the lead up was not bad and/or abrupt.
Kurohige said:
Speaking of bad endings, when will a modern shonen ever have a good conclusion to their "final war" arc?
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If any can, it will be One Piece.
 
The ending reminds me of Cyberpunk. "Everyone else moved on", except in CP77 they miss you and were robbed of you. BNHA, they just move on. And forgot about you. You offer nothing and you "grew" apart, but the "apart" was entirely quirk based. No one is that busy you simply do not have time for another person. You never "dont have time" for even hobbies. You can use PTO and vacation days to die-hard raid in WoW if you so desire.

The whole ending was a colossal bummer. Literally so easy to go "And they met up twice a year and had fun! wohooo!"
 
Kurohige said:
I heard that Stars and Stripes was pretty well liked, with the only bad about her being her death. Horikoshi really had it out for his adult female fapbait, huh?
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S&S's presence in this story was superfluous filler. Just throws attack after attack on Shigaraki that he no-sells with bullshit regen, and then she dies accomplishing nothing but wasting chapters. I remember comparing S&S vs Shigaraki to Sasuke vs Killer Bee a bunch ("eight antennae!"), but in hindsight it's more like Konan vs Tobi in how it plays out like "Random female character hits villain with all the explosions, and the villain just no-sells it with his bullshit powers".
 
I think I figured out what really kind of makes Deku's ending shit and why it is a pathetic ending after thinking it over.

It is for the simple fact that Deku never really came into his own as a hero. Deku's character after the arc where he becomes a vigilante just kind of stops and he becomes a mindless puppet of good for the series. His thoughts are conveyed by other characters instead of him, he's not allowed to think of anything except be a symbol of good. Now having a character be a representation of something isn't bad, but most of MHA had Deku be overly analytical and his thoughts were shown to the reader and viewer.

Not only that, but Deku just becomes a second All Might than a hero of his own. Deku doesn't really have his own villain, Shigaraki just becomes a victim of All For One rather than a villain in the end, and All For One becomes Deku's Arch-Enemy. Deku also follows the same arc as All Might where the entire world sees a hero who despite being weakened, throws an extremely powerful punch at the main villain, and becomes powerless forever. Hell, Deku even becomes a teacher just like All Might, and gets an iron man suit just like him (which was handed to him, rather than something he really pursued).

Deku never becomes his own person and is just the same as All Might except he peaked in High School, and the reason why this is pathetic is that none of this is intentional.

Horikoshi tries to act like Deku somehow showed the world something different which all they saw was a hero punch the villain to death. If it's because he's a weak guy doing it, that also happened with All Might who even at his lowest was still strong.

It speaks to a fundamental flaw of how Horikoshi screwed up the theme of passing on the torch the series was built upon when Deku never ended up carrying that torch far and just stood in the same spot as his mentor.
 
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