My Hero Academia - Plus Ultra

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wtfNeedSignUp said:
The post anime Naruto film was pretty kino, but it worked by focusing on the Naruto and Hinata sides that fans hyped up for a decade, with the action just boiling to fanservice.

Does MHA have a main pairing that normal viewers care about? Are there at least dangling plot threads that deserve their own film?
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There’s Deku x Ochako I guess, and the only other plotline I can think of is that apocalypse theory they kept bringing up

6MillionCoofs said:
So some people have speculated that the reason we got the ending we did and how no one really changed was because there is 6 more movies to do.

In short by the time movie 10 comes out people are speculating the ending may be way different.
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Imagine needing 10 movies to make your manga ending work
 
Doctor of Autism said:
There’s Deku x Ochako I guess, and the only other plotline I can think of is that apocalypse theory they kept bringing up
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At least until the part I left the series, Ochako was pretty boring pairing. Naruto and Hinata worked because they have completely opposite background but very similar life circumstances, so it's very sweet. Ochako is just stock puppy dog love without even the hurdles of them not liking each other initially.

Doctor of Autism said:
Imagine needing 10 movies to make your manga ending work
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If the characters weren't shit I'd say having an epilogue for every main cast member would have been cool. Sort of a solo adventure. But it will probably be some dumb meaningless new villain that doesn't change anything like every other anime film.
 
God of Nothing said:
disgusting and lazy
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You're insulting Dragonball Z's success model there. Frankly I don't understand why anime that aren't DBZ are allowed to exist when DBZ is objectively stronger than every single one of them and every other anime and manga creator should be shot and killed for their genetic inferiority to the Saiyan master race.
 
Doctor of Autism said:
Imagine needing 10 movies to make your manga ending work
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I’m not even saying that. I’m saying ‘imagine needing that ending to make your 10 movies work’
God of Nothing said:
why the fuck is MHA of all things getting ten movies?
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Because of the sheer volume of money it makes.

It’s the same reason why the second One Piece started to end a more manga accurate reboot happened as well as a live action remake.

It seems like One Piece will now go on forever cycles of remakes, the time one emds it will be 10-15 years later and need to be done again intersperced with movies.

The issue MHA might have us with the manga ending and everyone hating it will it remain popular enough to get to 10 movies?

I think their intended movie count will get cut short.
 
Xarpho's Return said:
Deku's crybaby antics for the first third of the series are what caused fans to like Todoroki and Bakugo more,
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Deku's lack of any kind of maturity or growth is what really soured things for the audience I think. There are several different moments where it feels like Deku is going to finally grow a pair of nuts and stop being such a little pussy, but he keeps having giant crybaby bitch fits where he is keeling over and sobbing at every major story beat, and tbe Bakugou wank does NOT help. He goes from kid who wants to prove himself to closeted weirdo deeply in love with his bully and that shit felt like authorial fetishism leaking into the script (also why I suspect he didn't confirm Deku and Ura getting together, Hori is a homo)

People, especially nerds, find little bitches relatable, but nobody wants to read about someone who stays a little bitch forever.

Spiderman is the obvious comparison. He is a dork who gets shit on constantly by life, but what makes Peter Parker work is that he almost always stands back up, straps on his big boy pants, and gives back as good as he gets.

Imagine, like, the train scene in Spiderman 2 but now it ends with Peter bursting into tears.
The handsome tard said:
The original was kind of by the numbers, sure, but it was at least a satisfying ride the first time you follow it
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Needless subversion for the sake of subversion has ruined many good stories. People wind up feeling cheated when your narrative pulls the rug out from under them for the sake of out of place realism.

All people wanted was to see Deku not suck ass at the end. You can't tell the audience "I became the number 1 hero" then have him not be the number 1 hero.
 
Pain's arc in naruto was better than the entire of naruto. I fucking love small characters getting proper attention. I remember that one BNHA offspin manga? Was kino as shit too.

Anyway:
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Deus Exica said:
All people wanted was to see Deku not suck ass at the end. You can't tell the audience "I became the number 1 hero" then have him not be the number 1 hero.
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It’s not even that he didn’t become the number 1 hero since it was the “greatest hero” and he ends the series as a teacher while the narration is like “this is how we become the greatest heroes” as though the story was about Deku’s mostly forgettable classmates.

Not to mention how as I said before, Deku never surpassed All Might as a successor, he just ends up having the same journey except outright fails in his personal goal.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
At least until the part I left the series, Ochako was pretty boring pairing. Naruto and Hinata worked because they have completely opposite background but very similar life circumstances, so it's very sweet. Ochako is just stock puppy dog love without even the hurdles of them not liking each other initially.
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Ochako was a boring character, and for being the main female in the class she was boring. The way to save that pairing would be to bring up a "Veronica" to counter Ochako's "Betty". Yaoyorozu would've been the one to do it, with her being more attractive, richer, a sexually provocative costume, and a powerful Quirk. Unfortunately her personification as "gentle-hearted with self-esteem issues" wouldn't be the foil to Ochako.
 
Cant wait until One Piece ends and Luffy loses his stretchy powers after finding that One Piece is the friends we made along the way and he becomes a clerk for a restaurant and all his friends/crewmates left him

Xarpho's Return said:
Ochako was a boring character, and for being the main female in the class she was boring. The way to save that pairing would be to bring up a "Veronica" to counter Ochako's "Betty". Yaoyorozu would've been the one to do it, with her being more attractive, richer, a sexually provocative costume, and a powerful Quirk. Unfortunately her personification as "gentle-hearted with self-esteem issues" wouldn't be the foil to Ochako.
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Their first mistake was giving her a dumb quirk instead of what they were originally going to go with.

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"In the extra pages of Volume 1 of the manga, Horikoshi revealed that Ochako’s role was originally going to be filled by Yu Takeyama, a character who in the final manga became the pro hero Mt. Lady. Horikoshi mentions that he decided against this initial plan because he thought focusing so in-depth on someone whose Quirk was only being able to grow their body would eventually become too dark."

What he meant with "too dark" ? Was he afraid of the idea of splattered flat foes on the ground? This is MHA, Im very sure you could find a way around it. Then again, given how Ochako barely became a character of her own in the final thing, I think most of us would have prefered this supposedly "dark" version. We needed more quirks walking on the thin line of blessing and curse.
 
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⋖ cørdion ⋗ said:
Pain's arc in naruto was better than the entire of naruto. I fucking love small characters getting proper attention.
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The only non-main characters with stand-out moments in the Pain Invasion are Ebisu, Konohamaru and Hinata. It's pretty slim pickings when the point is supposed to be the endangerment of the whole Hidden Leaf village. And it's very unfavorable in comparison with the Sasuke Retrieval arc giving lots of screentime and dignity for most of the Konoha 11.
 
Deus Exica said:
Needless subversion for the sake of subversion has ruined many good stories. People wind up feeling cheated when your narrative pulls the rug out from under them for the sake of out of place realism.
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Thing is, it could have worked but the way it’s wrote it comes across not like everyone is super busy that they don’t have time but that they don’t want to see him for whatever reason. Or Deku is just too retarded to pick up the fucking phone.

You can’t convince me that at least Uraraka and Ida and Tsu wouldn’t be there in seconds if Deku just called. Heck, considering Ida’s power, they quite litterally could be.

The realism he tries to go with comes across as unrealistic for the universe.

Oh and the whole scheduling conflict is bs. All Might was the most famous hero, still on active duty, and was teaching at high school daily and had plenty of free time.
 
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6MillionCoofs said:
Oh and the whole scheduling conflict is bs. All Might was the most famous hero, still on active duty, and was teaching at high school daily and had plenty of free time.
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Not to mention Hawks says that Heroes would have a lot of free time in the chapter before.
 
Doctor of Autism said:
The part where it sucked itself off for not killing All Might in the Iron Might fight is what really killed it for me, since like the entire situation did not need to happen, but it did because Hori loves MCU Iron Man (that was his actual reason afaik).
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Realistically All Might should've died fighting All For One, he was basically out of the picture for Season 4 despite making a full recovery from his injuries (albeit being fully depowered).

Two options would've been viable at that point.
1. All Might dies; time skip moves everyone into the next year. Opportunity to shuffle up Class 1-A with Class 1-B and new characters (core characters wouldn't change but would provide a way to put some of Class 1-B's more interesting characters in the limelight while retiring the background characters).
2. All Might doesn't die, but his death is faked; with only Deku knowing that he isn't dead. Could be in a coma. Good way to put him out of the picture indefinitely while letting him see the fruits of his labor (Deku becoming a hero, etc.)

Characters like All Might usually die at the end of the first arc, especially at the hands of the villain. (There's a reason why the "Mentor Occupational Hazard" article on TVTropes is so long, it's that common.

Keeping a character like All Might alive should've had a point, namely still having a role to play in the story (like seeing Deku become No. 1 hero and his true successor—which didn't happen) or just a general avoidance in killing people off (like which is what One Piece does). But seeing how Hori offed Midnight, Star & Stripe, Nighteye, several other one-scene heroes, and several villains he's clearly not averse to death.

The most infuriating part of all this is that by the time MHA was pulling all of these stunts audiences were starting to wise up to the "subverted expectations" gimmick. (The Last Jedi was in December 2017). And like The Last Jedi, these "subverted expectations" weren't fun or interesting. Instead it harmed beloved characters, pissed people off, and ruined the entire franchise.
 
Xarpho's Return said:
Keeping a character like All Might alive should've had a point, namely still having a role to play in the story (like seeing Deku become No. 1 hero and his true successor—which didn't happen) or just a general avoidance in killing people off (like which is what One Piece does). But seeing how Hori offed Midnight, Star & Stripe, Nighteye, several other one-scene heroes, and several villains he's clearly not averse to death.
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All Might being alive was actually fine and did well in subverting the killing the mentor trope as he still showed he could be helping others without needing to be a hero, but the moment he put on that Iron Man suit destroyed his character since he has this overpowered suit that could've helped in the final fight yet let several other pros and students get maimed, injured, and killed (If it weren't for the convoluted heart surgery, Bakugo would've died) but All Might waited until AFO was at his prime and is extremely lucky that AFO didn't use the EMP quirk he was shown to have.

If Hori wanted to have All Might involved in the final fight and rip off another superhero property, he should've just ripped this scene off from Invincible with All Might using projections and holograms to fuck with AFO.


As for death, Hori only ever is committed to letting villains die (even creating extremely convoluted circumstances for their deaths like Toga and Shigaraki) and background heroes (until the final arc). Nighteye probably is the only one hero death that Hori allowed to happen naturally for the development of Mirio and Eri.

But Midnight and Stars & Stripes were deaths done for the appearance of artificial stakes since Midnight dies offscreen to random fodder villains and her death is brushed off while Stars & Stripes is introduced for really no real reason but to answer a question nobody really asked (Why aren't other countries helping Japan out?), but there was the question of nerfing Shigaraki but the quirks she destroyed in him had no meaningful consequences and Shigaraki ended up regaining that quirk.

He is extremely averse to death with named hero characters and with the final arc, background characters too, let's go through them:

Best Jeanist gets a hole torn in his chest by All for One? Nah he lives

Best Jeanist gets murdered by Hawks for his CIA infiltration duties? Nah that was a fake body and Best Jeanist lives

Bakugo, getting pierced in the first war by Shigaraki's spike quirk in the first war arc? He's okay

Gran Torino, an elderly weak old man, gets penetrated through his chest? Nah he somehow lives to give Deku the idea that "killing people means saving them" (an idea criticized at the time, but by the end is portrayed in the right)

Lady Nagant being exploded from the inside by AFO after taking Deku's offer of redemption? She lives somehow

Mirko getting mutilated and amputated in her fights? Alive somehow

Bakugo getting his heart torn out by Shigaraki, losing blood, and having his rib cage destroyed? Nah Edgeshot does open heart surgery on him in the battlefield with a bubble, but Bakugo's sweat jump starts his heart and he fights AFO and Kurogiri on negative HP

AFO nuking multiple heroes in one fight? They're all alive, except Gigantomachia dead

Dabi burning Endeavor's sidekicks in 1000 degree heat? They only sustained minor burns.

AFO destroying American Jet Pilots? Nah All Might secretly inserted ejector seats into their planes (Hori clearly loved the idea from Godzilla Minus One not knowing that American Jets do in fact have Ejector seats)

Edgeshot expending much of his body to repair Bakugo from the inside to the point of becoming a tiny worm? He's recovering actually! This was confirmed in the same chapter where Toga died from giving a blood transfusion

tl;dr Death in MHA was something that could kind of happen selectively, but then became a non-issue for every hero. As long as you don't commit crimes and are forgiven by the heroes beforehand, you get killed unless you're Overhaul and Muscular.
 
The handsome tard said:
The true word is "underdog". Everyone likes an underdog that reaches the top through effort. No-one likes an underdog that goes nowhere
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Underdog and a little bitch don't necessarily correlate. You can have underdogs that don't burst into tears every five panels, but I get your point.

Yeah, Deku's overall lack of ever feeling like he stepped up and 'got it' is one of the chief problems with the manga.
 
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