MS now outright forcing Win 10 behind customer's backs

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"My computer was working great last night [but] this morning it says, 'Microsoft Legal Agreement' with bunch of legal information and WAY at the bottom 'Accept your new Windows 10' or 'Decline,'" wrote a someone identified as scifixtion in a Friday post to Microsoft's support forum. "I hit Decline and it says, 'It will take a few moments to go back to your old Windows software,' [but] then it goes black and go[es] right back to [the] Microsoft legal agreement [and shows] 'Accept windows 10' or 'Decline.' I've hit Decline a dozen times and it won't budge."

The legal agreement that scifixtion referenced was the Windows 10 end-user license agreement, or EULA.
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sugoi-chan said:
July, I think, though I'm sure they're going to extend it or let it run a little longer to get as many people onto it as possible. I'm sure there's some accountant somewhere who has crunched the numbers to determine at what point the company earns more money: selling licenses for Windows 10 versus saving money by not having to keep Win7/8 security patching going like they did with Windows XP.
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I think they may also have used as a psychological tactic in order to try to get people to "get it while they can"
 
This is why my policy for new Windows OS's has always been 'buy a legitimate copy then immediately pirate it and install that version instead'.

Look, I'm sorry, I've never had any issue with giving money to the people who develop legitimate software, but I'll be buggered before I get into a totally open-ended online 'agreement' with a company that has proven itself to have malicious intent and a total disregard for basic concepts like customer privacy not once but time and time again. I'm not surprised by this development in the slightest.
 
Forced upgrades to Windows 10 pushed me from dual-booting to making Debian the only OS on my laptop. Like hell I'm letting Microsoft use restricted boot to block access to an OS that works for its users and not for corporations.

Windows 10 seems fond of breaking VirtualBox (in my experience) and restricted boot dislikes unauthorized operating systems. It's almost like Microsoft knows their product is shit and wants to lock people into a broken system.
 
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Ryuuzaki (L) said:
how do i turn off automatic updates
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On Windows 7, Control Panel > System & Security > Windows Update, then change settings in the sidebar.

Windows still tries to force install some updates on shutdown, though. I made a registry edit which disables this just in case.
 
Optimus Prime said:
I also find it hilarious MS is actually trying to force "free" upgrades all around - wasn't the whole "free upgrade" thing actually supposed to end soon?
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it was, but I feel like Gates and Co. are just doing this until everyone gets assimilated or some shit. And that worries me.
 
For Windows 8.1, the GET WIN 10 NOW updates are updates KB3035583 and KB2976978. Uninstalling these bits of fuck will prevent the update attempts. That said, I've had to go to some pretty silly extremes to prevent their installation.

Seriously, Microsoft, go back to just fucking making shit that works instead of trying to have violent unrelenting sex with Apple's terrible ideas, because nobody wants Apple the second.
 
Jaimas said:
Seriously, Microsoft, go back to just fucking making shit that works instead of trying to have violent unrelenting sex with Apple's terrible ideas, because nobody wants Apple the second.
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Microsoft making stuff that works is the reason they're so aggressively pushing 10.

XP worked so well that millions of businesses, organizations, and government departments didn't want to invest in upgrading from it, so they had to extend the support lifecycle of the OS for longer than they wanted to. 7's so popular that it's looking like they're going to face the same problem when that starts to come of age. By aggressively pushing 10, giving it out for free, they can get everyone onto one platform, don't have to spend money propping up older operating systems (7, as well as Vista and 8 for those that adopted them) for as long, and can, with 10's more aggressive update system, make sure that everyone stays updated whether they want to or not.

Supposedly, 10's going to be it as far as Windows goes. Taking on the Apple model means that they can push out smaller updates more frequently that affect things (mostly) under the hood under the theory that one of the reasons businesses aren't willing to make big leaps from Windows version to version is that what they have works and it takes a lot of money upgrade computer systems, to install the OSes and compatible software, as well as re-train employees. Upgrading will be less daunting if the updates are cheaper and much smaller (akin to say, OS X Leopard to Mountain Lion versus Windows 7 to 8) and can be pushed out overnight versus having to take every PC in the enterprise down to install something.
 
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I'm sure one of the software updates to make my main laptop even handle Windows 10 is what killed its display driver. Meh. It was one of those no-name HP models from 2010... Stuck on a Netbook now. Glorious.
 
Having used 10 for awhile, it's functionally the same as 7 in terms of "do I want stuff to run?" If it ran on 7 just fine, chances are it will run nicely on 10, so people happy with 7 or even 8/8.1 have no real reason to upgrade.

And that's why being forced to upgrade is just a dick move. 7 SP1 does basically everything you need, so being forced to upgrade away from it is not only a dick move, it's manifestly pointless for the average user.

10 isn't terrible by any means, and it has one brilliant idea I like (having an easily accessible Task Manager shortcut on the Start bar), but most of what 10 has done could have been incorporated in another Service Pack for 7 or 8, not turned into a forced OS upgrade.
 
Windows 10 is basically meant to harmonize the definition of both stationary and mobile operating systems... Something I can get behind, but like with every other brand new OS I'd rather get to a substantial OS polish before I make the jump.

which is far more interesting than whatever that abomination Ubuntu on a smartphone is
 
NumberingYourState said:
Windows 10 is basically meant to harmonize the definition of both stationary and mobile operating systems... Something I can get behind, but like with every other brand new OS I'd rather get to a substantial OS polish before I make the jump.

which is far more interesting than whatever that abomination Ubuntu on a smartphone is
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I'm not too big on the merging of stationary and mobile. I know a while back I saw desktops that were touch screen and had all the hardware integrated in the monitor like a Mac. I don't know if they sold well or if they're even still around since I haven't been to a store like Best Buy recently. I hate everything about that idea. It makes hardware upgrades borderline impossible without skills and determination, and , makes replacing damages parts difficult, likely intentionally in Apple's way of making you buy a whole new phone instead of replacing the worn out battery. The touch screen isn't bad per se, but think how awkward it would be to use regularly. I know I would end up never using it unless maybe my wireless mouse's battery died and I needed to pause a video while I go find another battery.

One of my problems with Windows 10, aside from the teething issues of a new OS, is the privacy violation issue. I know if I ever upgrade to it I'll be finding some software that disables those "features" and makes sure they stay off. It's not just a problem of privacy, it's also a huge security problem. Aside from this and the issues of a new OS, it's not much different from 8 from what I hear. Though I'm sure Microsoft has fucked over all manner of smaller features.

I heard something about fuckery with MS Office and other programs usually included with the OS, But I don't remember specifics.

I still prefer the Start and other menus like the way 7 did it, though I've gotten used to the way 8 does it. The "dashboard" or whatever Microsoft call the thing that comes up when you hit the re-introduced start button is rather pointless to me. The only thing I ever do from there is click "Desktop" or hit the down button to go to the program list.

And from what someone up-thread said, Windows 10 doesn't like dual booting. Which is a problem since I'm considering getting into Linux over this shit and just using windows when I'm gaming. I've never used multiple OSs or emulated OSs, but I'm definitely gonna look into it.
 
Functional Animal said:
I'm not too big on the merging of stationary and mobile. I know a while back I saw desktops that were touch screen and had all the hardware integrated in the monitor like a Mac. I don't know if they sold well or if they're even still around since I haven't been to a store like Best Buy recently. I hate everything about that idea. It makes hardware upgrades borderline impossible without skills and determination, and , makes replacing damages parts difficult, likely intentionally in Apple's way of making you buy a whole new phone instead of replacing the worn out battery. The touch screen isn't bad per se, but think how awkward it would be to use regularly. I know I would end up never using it unless maybe my wireless mouse's battery died and I needed to pause a video while I go find another battery.
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Computing in general is in a really weird place right now. Mobile computing, at least to a casual degree (accessing the internet through tablet and smartphone) is the future of computing and Microsoft wants to stay relevant in that area against Apple and Android. Companies everywhere are trying to figure out the best way to handle this transition. Microsoft, in particular, probably overplayed their hand a bit with the controversial changes in Windows 8, but 8.1 and 10 represent a more smooth merge of traditional keyboard/mouse input and touch screen input and that's reflective of a trend across the computing world in general. Modular desktops will never go away but will be reduced to a big niche: hobbyist gamers and those who need the power for stuff like video rendering and design software. The laptop, as we understand it now, will most certainly be gone in the next 10-20 years as tablets and smartphones and software designed to make use of "the cloud" increasingly become more powerful and useful. In a way, computing has always been trending towards this. The first laptops were aimed at business users - mobility has always been a driving factor of business computing. We lacked the technology to make mobile computing effective, so businesses were stuck with desktops for decades.

Sadly, you and I (the hobbyist who likes to tinker, build their own PC, upgrade it in increments, etc) have always been a niche user. The rise of mobile computing (there are more people now who access the internet only through mobile than those who do only through desktop/laptop), has just more clearly defined the lines of that niche. Which isn't to say the niche is going anywhere - companies like Corsair, PNY, nVidia, etc make too much money off of us to stop selling modular components individually (as opposed to just selling their products in bulk to Apple or Dell for use in OEM machines with limited customization options).
 
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