Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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It's as close as anyone has gotten to replicating the F-5E in the 21st century.... On the West. See the JF-17 for the Chinese version.

Cheap and cheerful has a place, especially for places where even a F-16/J-10 is a bit too much capability or cost.

KAI is thinking about a single seat model where they fair over the rear cockpit and put a small fuel tank on there.
Honestly am glad the F-5 style jets are making a comeback in the west because of this little guy. Helps give a high low mix to a air force. Sometimes you just need a little plane, not a full on fighter to get the job done. Still seems quite capable though. Has a cannon, supersonic, decent radar, the whole package.
 
Honestly am glad the F-5 style jets are making a comeback in the west because of this little guy. Helps give a high low mix to a air force. Sometimes you just need a little plane, not a full on fighter to get the job done. Still seems quite capable though. Has a cannon, supersonic, decent radar, the whole package.
Eeehhh not a huge comeback as most of the West goes for something higher performance like a F-16, JAS-39, or even higher end.

Poland's order is a bit unusual as usually the F-16 would be the low and the F-35 the high.

They went FA-50 due to a lot of factors, one of which was probably sweetheart financing from S. Korea. They're also getting a semi custom model with more capabilities than anyone else.

Most other air forces getting these are getting them to replace old jet trainers, F-5Es, or the armed Alpha Jet or Hawk.

It's still a really nifty little jet, I'd bet Thailand gets some eventually as well as Chile, and a few other nations in SEA, Africa and S. America.
 
Eeehhh not a huge comeback as most of the West goes for something higher performance like a F-16, JAS-39, or even higher end.

Poland's order is a bit unusual as usually the F-16 would be the low and the F-35 the high.

They went FA-50 due to a lot of factors, one of which was probably sweetheart financing from S. Korea. They're also getting a semi custom model with more capabilities than anyone else.

Most other air forces getting these are getting them to replace old jet trainers, F-5Es, or the armed Alpha Jet or Hawk.

It's still a really nifty little jet, I'd bet Thailand gets some eventually as well as Chile, and a few other nations in SEA, Africa and S. America.
Once again Poland struts its superiority. They are going to have a multi level air force by the end, with the F-35 at the top, the F-16 making the core, and the FA-50 at the bottom acting as swarm filler, while the Soviet jets get retired.

I can see a lot of uses for that tbh. Recon for one. Don't have to risk a F-16 or 35 when you have the FA-50 that can do a Mach 1.5 dash over the battlefield while carrying two Sidewinders or AMRAMMs for defense- which the polish version can carry, AMRAMMs that is.

Also can use it for cheap bombing missions. Costs way less to send it up than a F-16 while still carrying a hefty load bigger than a drone, including cruise missiles.

As for other nations getting them, definitely. Especially poorer ones like you mentioned. I could see Argentina getting some now that they're getting F-16's, it's a good trainer for that.
 
So youve never handled a phone made in the last 2-3 years?
Oh man, I'm not trying to be a dick here, in really not. But do you not know how much of your phone's processing power is coming from the cloud? Because I promise you, it's a lot
 
Oh man, I'm not trying to be a dick here, in really not. But do you not know how much of your phone's processing power is coming from the cloud? Because I promise you, it's a lot
Uhh what? Yeah they all have some level of cloud nonsense on them now but the cpu/gpu on them are still quite powerful. Even if a cell phone style chip isnt enough you simply go a slight step up and use a laptop class cpu. Or another year comes and processors get my energy efficient and powerful as a whole.

Either way im telling, this is the future of the battlefield.

 
A few years ago I had the pleasure of working on restoring a Humvee (I believe it came from some states National Guard) back into running order. It was easy to work on besides the 6.2L engine was an absolute chore to rebuild due to its weight and difficult to reach spots.

Whoever the jackass was that gave the greenlight to put that underpowered fuel-guzzling V8 in a 5+ ton truck should've been sent to the sandbox with it.
 
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Uhh what? Yeah they all have some level of cloud nonsense on them now but the cpu/gpu on them are still quite powerful. Even if a cell phone style chip isnt enough you simply go a slight step up and use a laptop class cpu. Or another year comes and processors get my energy efficient and powerful as a whole.

Either way im telling, this is the future of the battlefield.

Speaking of relevant movies, I got one too

 
Uhh what? Yeah they all have some level of cloud nonsense on them now but the cpu/gpu on them are still quite powerful. Even if a cell phone style chip isnt enough you simply go a slight step up and use a laptop class cpu. Or another year comes and processors get my energy efficient and powerful as a whole.

Either way im telling, this is the future of the battlefield.

Then ECM gets better, DEW gets better, and smaller and cheaper interceptors get better.....

Processors are actually getting more expensive at the high end and some are actually getting more power hungry (see Nvidia)

What most "AI drones" actually are is a multi thousand dollar add on kit (more weight and cost) to a COTS drone that lets you lock into a target and make it essentially fire and forget in the terminal attack phase.

That's it.

They're not selecting targets by themselves, they're not making a decision, it's literally making a FPV drone have the capability of a Maverick missile from the early 1970s.

Furthermore, a small laser can burn out or seriously damage the CMOS of the cellphone camera/ GoPro tier cameras 99% of FPV drones use in a few seconds, thereby making the drone useless.
Whoever the jackass was that gave the greenlight to put that underpowered fuel-guzzling V8 in a 5+ ton truck should've been sent to the sandbox with it.
A Humvee is a late 1970s / early 1980s era vehicle... That's probably the best engine they had for it back then and just.... NEVER changed it (typical military procurement for you)

It was also never supposed to be used as an armored car so it's engine was murdered with extra weight when the add on armor kits were installed.

A better Humvee would be an incremental update and the US military procurement office (s) HATE incremental updates (except for trucks oddly enough)
Speaking of relevant movies, I got one too

Yep, excellent movie and Winona Ryder is one of my 1990s actress crushes.

You're correct that "muh processing power gets better and better" ignores that it is actually getting more and more expensive while getting better by maybe 5-10% on average and that taps out in a few years then you gotta pay insane money for 3-D stacked chips and the like.
 
Then ECM gets better, DEW gets better, and smaller and cheaper interceptors get better.....
And yet some how the Houthis have absolutely embarrassed the US Navy and whatever western Europe can field for a navy in the red sea for most of the year. Even with all of our advanced tech and weapons to protect shipping they continue to sink ships and be a severe threat to anything transiting it.

Or look at the war in Ukraine which is now closing out its third year. The Ukrainians and the Russians must be the dumbest people to engage in warfare as cheap commercial drones to this day are still massacring armored formations and dug in troops.

Processors are actually getting more expensive at the high end and some are actually getting more power hungry (see Nvidia)
You dont need a hopper to power a drone.
 
And yet some how the Houthis have absolutely embarrassed the US Navy and whatever western Europe can field for a navy in the red sea for most of the year. Even with all of our advanced tech and weapons to protect shipping they continue to sink ships and be a severe threat to anything transiting it.
The Houthis have sunk... Two ships in over a year after firing hundreds of anti ship missiles, drones and suicide boats at them. Three to fourth more were hit and then abandoned.


Some win loss ratio right?

The Houthis are firing ones and twos usually via extremely dispersed launch sites ( a truck or two) with dog shit accuracy and running away afterwards.

They're a meme just like the Russian military was pre 2022 and Hezzbollah was pre March 2024.

Biden/the administration has been soft pedaling the entire Yemeni issue since Day 1 to avoid angering his favorite nation, Iran and his favorite Jihadi type, Shia.
 
The Houthis have sunk... Two ships in over a year after firing hundreds of anti ship missiles, drones and suicide boats at them. Three to fourth more were hit and then abandoned.


Some win loss ratio right?

The Houthis are firing ones and twos usually via extremely dispersed launch sites ( a truck or two) with dog shit accuracy and running away afterwards.

They're a meme just like the Russian military was pre 2022 and Hezzbollah was pre March 2024.

Biden/the administration has been soft pedaling the entire Yemeni issue since Day 1 to avoid angering his favorite nation, Iran and his favorite Jihadi type, Shia.

And yet, how much Western shipping is going through the Bab al-Mandab Strait these days? A quick look at some AIS results in the area shows an awful lot of this sort of thing:

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The rest, I'm not even gonna bother. RPG's are around 100 per pop and you can reuse a drone, that's the whole objective.

The value of a drone comes primarily from being small and unmanned. The more crap you put on it, though, the larger and more expensive it gets. As it gets larger, it gets easier to detect and shoot down. At least a pilot doesn't die when you take it out, though.

Laser guided shells are simply not needed

The Russians are using laser munitions a fair amount in Ukraine. They're less vulnerable to EW countermeasures, I think.
 
And yet some how the Houthis have absolutely embarrassed the US Navy and whatever western Europe can field for a navy in the red sea for most of the year. Even with all of our advanced tech and weapons to protect shipping they continue to sink ships and be a severe threat to anything transiting it.
Outside of what was already said, the USN is designed to fight a conventional war. Counter-insurgencies, like against the Houthis, are a different story. Insurgencies are much harder to target, deter, and predict.

I don't think anyone has figured out how to effectively fight a counter-insurgency, especially without boots on ground.
 
I don't think anyone has figured out how to effectively fight a counter-insurgency, especially without boots on ground.
It's outright impossible without boots on ground and practically impossible with modern sensibilities and ideas about war having rules. Ancient people's were fairly adept at counter insurgency because they were willing to fight multiple conflicts over the course of decades or even centuries and hand out severe, disproportionate, some would say even savage or barbaric, consequences to rebels and anyone they suspected of being rebels.
 
Outside of what was already said, the USN is designed to fight a conventional war. Counter-insurgencies, like against the Houthis, are a different story. Insurgencies are much harder to target, deter, and predict.
So a small amount of inbred cave dwelling goat fuckers have caused significant global economic impact with a handful of drones and the most advanced military in the world is powerless to stop them short of committing god knows how many troops to invading them?

Sure sounds like drones are an incredibly effective. How much money is tied up in a carrier battle group again?
 
So a small amount of inbred cave dwelling goat fuckers have caused significant global economic impact with a handful of drones and the most advanced military in the world is powerless to stop them short of committing god knows how many troops to invading them?

Sure sounds like drones are an incredibly effective. How much money is tied up in a carrier battle group again?
The effect is less a product of the drones and far more a product of bean counters. If less dangerous routes exist then why use the more dangerous one? And if other, safer, routes exist then why commit massive manpower to taking out a group that really isn't worth the trouble due to topographical and geological advantages and an ironclad ideology that will most likely take literal generations to beat out of them? Frankly even if a nation were to curbstomp the Houthis the massive expenditure of time and manpower would be far more to quell that ideological resistance than due to some material advantage that drones would possibly give them. Drones or no drones the Houthis biggest advantages are due to them having the homefield and a sympathetic/brow beaten local population and not due to numbers or materials.

If there is no will to fight there will be no fight. Alternatively if there is a will to fight then the fight is not truly over.
 
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