Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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>MUH A-10
>MUH Su-25

Oh please, everyone knows the YA-9 and Il-102 are superior.
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YA-9 had the same issues the SU-25 still does. One hit to the body is liable to knock out both engines, as opposed to the A-10 having the engines spaced apart, so no one AA or manpad hit can't knock both out. Afaik, the two YA-9 prototypes never got armored firewalls that were placed between the engines like the production SU-25s had received.
 
People also forget that if we were putting little GoPros on the noses of artillery and mortar shells and artillery rockets we'd be seeing.... The EXACT same thing, just sped up.

There is a huge difference between dropping mortars on a trench line, and flying a drone in to see one or 2 left behind troops without ammo, without weapons, etc and then killing them anyway.
What really blows my mind is how disconnected people are with what is being released. Snowden releases a couple of helicopter IR clips of people being killed and the whole public loses their mind about war crimes and America evil, Russia and Ukraine release clips on the daily of people begging for their lives, already wounded, and having grenades dropped on them from a fisherprice toy, not a peep.
 
In jam heavy environments you can switch to laser guided shells marked by a small Orlan-10 class recon drone or similar.

We haven't even touched mortars yet
There's also TV guidance. Don't know if it's in shells, but in bombs at least it's pretty jam proof. The Maverick missile has that along with laser guided and infared variants.
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I love this thing. So big it can be used against ships.
 
Sure if you think drones will only be as sophisticated as commercial off the shelf ones from China.
There aren't a lot of drones that are strictly mechanical INS. I flew the T2 as a SEREGRAD to teach F14 RIOs in the pipeline how to handle crew coordination and how to use a map before they got to their first RAG to actually learn the jet.

That jet and even the plain-jane A model tomcats ran mechanical instruments that you calibrate on the boat or runway with a specialized piece of equipment. The B's also had this, but they also just started to run GPS through a few upgrades.

That system is great because it's impossible to jam, but it sucks shit because they're so complex in design and construction that they break easy. Microfication for mechanical designs is a trillion times more difficult than it is for electronics. Gears start having to deal with nano scale and then you have issues where an infantessimally small imperfection in something so small you can't see it or the lubricant has a tiny piece of an errant grain of salt from an engineer who didn't rinse their hands long enough before putting on the vinyl gloves to build it.

You're greatly hurting range by going mechanical, but still putting out EMF because the motors are electrical, or a lot of IR if they for some reason decided to go ICE, which are both very trackable on passive scan. And you can't go after anything that will require complex acquisition and tracking without being able to connect to a larger system like a pilot watching on camera or even a local IRST
 
There's also TV guidance. Don't know if it's in shells, but in bombs at least it's pretty jam proof. The Maverick missile has that along with laser guided and infared variants.
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I love this thing. So big it can be used against ships.
You can jam tv optical the same way you jam radio, blanket signal with close band irregular intervals. That TV image still has to be transmitted and guided by the pilot.

TOW is literally the only smart system you cannot spoof without killing the operator or weapon
 
You can jam tv optical the same way you jam radio, blanket signal with close band irregular intervals. That TV image still has to be transmitted and guided by the pilot.

TOW is literally the only smart system you cannot spoof without killing the operator or weapon
That is fair since it's wireless. Still I'd see it as more resistant than GPS jamming, since the aircraft shooting it is right there vs a satellite tens of thousands of feet in the sky. In any case I guess that's why they have laser guided variants too. Got to kill the aircraft or pop a fuck ton of smoke to jam that.
 
That is fair since it's wireless. Still I'd see it as more resistant than GPS jamming, since the aircraft shooting it is right there vs a satellite tens of thousands of feet in the sky. In any case I guess that's why they have laser guided variants too. Got to kill the aircraft or pop a fuck ton of smoke to jam that.
You also have to remember that a lot of targets that need lasering have their own laser warning systems that infrom the crew that your ass is being lit and it's time to do drastic action. I also know at least that some also tie automatic smoke launchers to that as well.
 
There aren't a lot of drones that are strictly mechanical INS. I flew the T2 as a SEREGRAD to teach F14 RIOs in the pipeline how to handle crew coordination and how to use a map before they got to their first RAG to actually learn the jet.

That jet and even the plain-jane A model tomcats ran mechanical instruments that you calibrate on the boat or runway with a specialized piece of equipment. The B's also had this, but they also just started to run GPS through a few upgrades.

That system is great because it's impossible to jam, but it sucks shit because they're so complex in design and construction that they break easy. Microfication for mechanical designs is a trillion times more difficult than it is for electronics. Gears start having to deal with nano scale and then you have issues where an infantessimally small imperfection in something so small you can't see it or the lubricant has a tiny piece of an errant grain of salt from an engineer who didn't rinse their hands long enough before putting on the vinyl gloves to build it.

You're greatly hurting range by going mechanical, but still putting out EMF because the motors are electrical, or a lot of IR if they for some reason decided to go ICE, which are both very trackable on passive scan. And you can't go after anything that will require complex acquisition and tracking without being able to connect to a larger system like a pilot watching on camera or even a local IRST
Mechanical INS systems are basically non-existent on small UAVs and UCAVs and I'm not even sure something like a TB-2 has one although I thas some sort of autonomous guidance

You can jam tv optical the same way you jam radio, blanket signal with close band irregular intervals. That TV image still has to be transmitted and guided by the pilot.

TOW is literally the only smart system you cannot spoof without killing the operator or weapon
Note that "TV guidance" on a Maverick can also refer to a fire and forget contrast based guidance system aka contrast guidance as it uses a TV camera


Even after reading about it I'm still fuzzy on exactly how it works

Also how amazing was the F-14D???
 
That is fair since it's wireless. Still I'd see it as more resistant than GPS jamming, since the aircraft shooting it is right there vs a satellite tens of thousands of feet in the sky. In any case I guess that's why they have laser guided variants too. Got to kill the aircraft or pop a fuck ton of smoke to jam that.
Laser can be beat and spoofed as well, but it requires knowing when, where and at what the strike is aimed at, and it's one that I can't go in to any detail on without getting my door knocked on. But there's been a few cases on specific areas where SOFLAMs and other designators have had bombs put on to them instead of the target
 
Laser can be beat and spoofed as well, but it requires knowing when, where and at what the strike is aimed at, and it's one that I can't go in to any detail on without getting my door knocked on. But there's been a few cases on specific areas where SOFLAMs and other designators have had bombs put on to them instead of the target
I could see in my head how a laser designator could bounce back and target you, just through the properties of light itself. But I see. Thanks for saying what you can man. In any case seekers are cool no matter the type and at the same time none is perfect. It's why fighters still carry IR missiles like Sidewinder even when they got 100km+ radar guided missiles. Maverick is similar. You need the right tool for the job.
 
There aren't a lot of drones that are strictly mechanical INS. I flew the T2 as a SEREGRAD to teach F14 RIOs in the pipeline how to handle crew coordination and how to use a map before they got to their first RAG to actually learn the jet.
You dont need INS when you have a drone that is being directed by onboard AI targeting anything that moves in its view. You also dont need INS when your drone is command guided by wire as were seeing now in Ukraine, or with Hezbollah with their Spike ATGM knock offs.
 
You dont need INS when you have a drone that is being directed by onboard AI targeting anything that moves in its view. You also dont need INS when your drone is command guided by wire as were seeing now in Ukraine, or with Hezbollah with their Spike ATGM knock offs.
On board AI.

Complex cloud computing

Onboard

For a cheap drone.

My nigga, do you work for Cobra command or do you just not understand how something connects to a cloud data source?
 
My nigga, do you work for Cobra command or do you just not understand how something connects to a cloud data source?
Wtf are you talking about connecting to a cloud? You think you need a server farm or Nvidia's latest Blackwell for basic image recognition and guidance? I dont think you understand how compact, cheap and powerful modern processors are.

Yes such a drone is going to cost more than your DJI Mavic. But sure as shit will cost orders of magnitude less than that F-35 piloted by a human, being refueled by a KC-35, being maintained by a dozen+ dudes yet will still give you the same lethality.
 
Mechanical INS systems
Those require a specialized skillset to make and fully mechanical has more or less fallen out of use. Usually for these smaller drones they just slap on a quartz-rate sensor to a rate gyro system for minimal parts.
Gears start having to deal with nano scale and then you have issues where an infantessimally small imperfection in something so small you can't see it or the lubricant has a tiny piece of an errant grain of salt from an engineer who didn't rinse their hands long enough before putting on the vinyl gloves to build it.
Better yet, solvent to lube the thing was slightly out of spec or applied unevenly. Have fun rebuilding the entire fucking device to prevent gimbal lock.
Laser can be beat and spoofed as well, but it requires knowing when, where and at what the strike is aimed at, and it's one that I can't go in to any detail on without getting my door knocked on. But there's been a few cases on specific areas where SOFLAMs and other designators have had bombs put on to them instead of the target
I suddenly now have the idea to build a IRST-like thermal device which detects lasers and optics glass and sends out a anti-laser/anti-thermal camera suicide drone and call it at SNEED duty (Suppression of Night/Eletro-optical Enemy Devices). 21st century version of "shoot the fucking Malyutka operator" and warthunder optics sniping in real time for shits and giggles.

Bonus laser weapon that never was (I've posted this elsewhere before): 1k17 Compression. A Soviet (Russian) 12 channel laser (20kg of rubies) system meant to fuck over missles, optics, and melt helicopters based off of a 2S19 Msta-S chasis.
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Bonus laser weapon that never was (I've posted this elsewhere before): 1k17 Compression. A Soviet (Russian) 12 channel laser (20kg of rubies) system meant to fuck over missles, optics, and melt helicopters based off of a 2S19 Msta-S chasis.
I think they have this on display in a museum somewhere in Russia.
 
In another Welper rant, I find the T-50 Golden Eagle/ FA-50 Fighting Eagle exceedingly based.
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A Mach 1.5 trainer that's also available as a fighter. Cheap, affordable, and available in many flavors. Good for ground attack too:
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Look at it launch that Maverick. Sexy as fuck. All while still carrying a decent air to air armament of 2 Sidewinders and a M197 20mm 3 barrel rotary gun. Later variants can carry AMRAMM, which is what Poland is getting.

It's a cheap snub fighter, reminds me of a MIG 21 in function to be honest, just more multirole. Best of all is that it can be a trainer or a fighter. So if your Air Force buys in, they can train on the same plane they fight with.

As for some cool features it has in general:

It can carry a 12,000 lb payload at full load, which for its small size, is pretty damn good.

It can drop the KGGB (Korean GPS-Guided Bomb) , this thing
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They are working on integrating BVR missiles like Meteor on this little guy, which is nuts.

Overall I just think it's neat. It's very swarm based clearly, and a oddity for the west, being a cheap no frills light fighter not seen since the Tiger II
 
Wtf are you talking about connecting to a cloud? You think you need a server farm or Nvidia's latest Blackwell for basic image recognition and guidance? I dont think you understand how compact, cheap and powerful modern processors are.

Yes such a drone is going to cost more than your DJI Mavic. But sure as shit will cost orders of magnitude less than that F-35 piloted by a human, being refueled by a KC-35, being maintained by a dozen+ dudes yet will still give you the same lethality.
AI can't run on a pi. You certainly can't power it with a low cost battery, and if you tried the kinetic and range would be about as fast and far as the operator can throw it
 
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Here’s a bit of classic military history I have firsthand experience with.

It's a 1946 GC-1B, commonly known as the Globe Swift. It was designed as a trainer in 1940 but after Pearl Harbor, production was suspended. Come war’s end in 1945 the plane went into production with hopes again of it becoming a USAAF trainer.

By then, the transition to tricycle landing gear trainers had been made, and the GC-1B was out of the running. However, it went on to be one of the best low wing monoplanes of the postwar era and civilian sales were strong.

It was an all metal taildragger side by side seat advanced trainer with retracts and a 6-cylinder Continental engine. One member of the design team was also part of the design team for the Curtiss P-40 Warhawk, and you can see the resemblance.

This aircraft was my first taste of learning to fly, and it was a hotrod. There’s nothing like 1940’s polished aluminum.

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In another Welper rant, I find the T-50 Golden Eagle/ FA-50 Fighting Eagle exceedingly based.
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A Mach 1.5 trainer that's also available as a fighter. Cheap, affordable, and available in many flavors. Good for ground attack too:
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Look at it launch that Maverick. Sexy as fuck. All while still carrying a decent air to air armament of 2 Sidewinders and a M197 20mm 3 barrel rotary gun. Later variants can carry AMRAMM, which is what Poland is getting.

It's a cheap snub fighter, reminds me of a MIG 21 in function to be honest, just more multirole. Best of all is that it can be a trainer or a fighter. So if your Air Force buys in, they can train on the same plane they fight with.

As for some cool features it has in general:

It can carry a 12,000 lb payload at full load, which for its small size, is pretty damn good.

It can drop the KGGB (Korean GPS-Guided Bomb) , this thing
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They are working on integrating BVR missiles like Meteor on this little guy, which is nuts.

Overall I just think it's neat. It's very swarm based clearly, and a oddity for the west, being a cheap no frills light fighter not seen since the Tiger II
It's as close as anyone has gotten to replicating the F-5E in the 21st century.... On the West. See the JF-17 for the Chinese version.

Cheap and cheerful has a place, especially for places where even a F-16/J-10 is a bit too much capability or cost.

KAI is thinking about a single seat model where they fair over the rear cockpit and put a small fuel tank on there.
AI can't run on a pi. You certainly can't power it with a low cost battery, and if you tried the kinetic and range would be about as fast and far as the operator can throw it
Yep. People VASTLY underestimate the processing needs for reliable image recognition and image processing compute power. There's a reason your smartphone offloads a lot of that to a data center elsewhere
 
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Last I checked the US isn't even investigating this style drone warfare. Honestly the answer is probably going to be counter battery detecting where the drone control is originating from and introducing that area to himars.
that is exactly what happens, electronic warfare units detect and invetigate the sources of electronic control, report it up, and ether artillery gets requested to fire at the detected location which is frequently how FPV operators get killed or injured, or a drone unit sends a drone to investigate visualy, if confirmed it will get the appropriate ordenance delivery..
 
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