Militant Vegans - MEAT IS MURDER, YOU BLOODMOUTHS

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The_Truth said:
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Erectile dysfunction
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15213209
Bowel cancer
https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html
Heart disease
https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/halt-heart-disease-with-a-plant-based-oil-free-diet-

I found these all in less than a minute using my brain and Google. These tools can do you wonders if you use both.

Edit: I can't believe someone who calls themselves "The Truth" can't even be bothered to seek it out.
 
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tumblrkek said:
I like that idea that all life is sacred and should be respected, but I believe we should also respect the human being and its needs.
The way our teeths and digestive systems are shaped, the way our species evolved and developed a brain with proteins: It's in our nature to eat meat. We're omnivores, there's no avoiding that the majority of us will want to eat animal products, and that's where we can talk about "ethically" slaughtering animals: It is necessary, it is part of a healthy diet.
So no, I don't feel guilty consuming meat coming from animals I know were treated with respect.
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I don't have to respect you just for being a human being. Respect is earned and not freely given. Yes we're omnivores which means we're able to digest meat and plants but doesn't mean we must do both.
 
YourUnclesDad said:
I don't have to respect you just for being a human being. Respect is earned and not freely given. Yes we're omnivores which means we're able to digest meat and plants but doesn't mean we must do both.
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Not everyone is able to afford the specialized diet veganism requires. The fact of the matter is that the essential vitamins that humans require are found in meat and plants, and it's a hell of a lot of effort to survive off only one of those.
 
tumblrkek said:
I do think there's a pretty clear difference between intensive animal farming and local, sustainable livestock.
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I hate to back the vegans here but there isn't. In fact, the "local" stuff might actually be worse. Larger operations have facilities to handle waste, health and disease management protocols, and routine USDA inspections. If you are just getting your food from some guy, who the fuck knows how he runs his operation. Most people don't know and don't ask. They just assume small and local is better and he seems like a nice enough guy...

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There's that fucking word I hate again.

Here's the deal, we domesticated and bred these animals to live in specific conditions. They have been adapted to these "intense" practices. Chickens live in coops. Pigs live in sties. Cows live in pasture. This is the same universally. This free-range shit was just some bullshit the hippies made up and the uninformed take it as gospel because it "sounds right". The reality is far different. No poultry farmer in his right mind would let his chickens just freely run around unless he got some kind of premium for it. The risks of predators, injury, and disease are too high. Not to mention you can't control them fucking each other and you now have to screen all the eggs for fertilization.

Something that doesn't get talked about enough is just how fucking viscous these animals are to each other. The real world isn't Charlotte's Web where they all get along. They can and will fuck each other up if you do not segregate them. Putting them into cages and pens makes them safer and reduces their risk of injury and disease. Not the other way around.
 
fishercat said:
Not everyone is able to afford the specialized diet veganism requires. The fact of the matter is that the essential vitamins that humans require are found in meat and plants, and it's a hell of a lot of effort to survive off only one of those.
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Here's a link to some information on essential amino acids.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...D-0QFgiXATAQ&usg=AOvVaw1iIr8bbC-64kUGiFcH_CCe

I can't say a whole lot right now because I'm on mobile but I thought the same thing about it being expensive. I'm poor as fuck and I'm spending less than I was before I went on a plant diet. Meat and dairy industries are subsidized by Uncle Sam and that's why your mcdouble is so cheap. Maybe if the US subsidized shit that wasn't killing people, there wouldn't be so many fat fucks and people visiting thier doctor regularly.
http://www.pcrm.org/health/reports/agriculture-and-health-policies-unhealthful-foods
http://www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide.php#a45
 
YourUnclesDad said:
Erectile dysfunction
https://youtube.com/watch?v=m00eWLcLmhohttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15213209
Bowel cancer
https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html
Heart disease
https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/halt-heart-disease-with-a-plant-based-oil-free-diet-

I found these all in less than a minute using my brain and Google. These tools can do you wonders if you use both.
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You mean the "Processed meat causes cancer" argument that indicates there MAY be a risk at 20lbs of ingested meat per 150lbs of body mass?

And sorry but I'm not going to take a video seriously when the only source is a kook like Dr. Michael Greger whose a hardline advocate for the Humane Society.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/death-as-a-foodborne-illness-curable-by-veganism/

Nut cases like Dr. Michael Greger belong in the same category as people who think you can cure cancer with raw carrots.
 
YourUnclesDad said:
Here's a link to some information on essential amino acids.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...D-0QFgiXATAQ&usg=AOvVaw1iIr8bbC-64kUGiFcH_CCe

I can't say a whole lot right now because I'm on mobile but I thought the same thing about it being expensive. I'm poor as fuck and I'm spending less than I was before I went on a plant diet. Meat and dairy industries are subsidized by Uncle Sam and that's why your mcdouble is so cheap. Maybe if the US subsidized shit that wasn't killing people, there wouldn't be so many fat fucks and people visiting thier doctor regularly.
http://www.pcrm.org/health/reports/agriculture-and-health-policies-unhealthful-foods
http://www.godfist.com/vegansidekick/guide.php#a45
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I'm vegan now. I'm gonna go firebomb the local Outback Steakhouse. You changed my life.
 
YourUnclesDad said:
https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html
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Do you actually read these things? Because that doesn't say what you think it does.

What they are bringing up is that the cure (sodium nitrite) at high temperature bonds with proteins to produce nitrosamines, a carcinogen. BUT this only occurs in significant quantity when the cure is used in amounts more than the USDA guidelines and temperatures are very high. Basically home-made bacon charred black.

You aren't going to have a problem just eating normal everyday Hebrew Nationals. Nor should anyone avoid using a cure or consuming cured foods. Botulism is scary as fuck.

Also, this same phenomena is not strictly a meat issue. Anything containing amino acids that cures with nitrites can have this problem.
 
ColtWalker1847 said:
Do you actually read these things? Because that doesn't say what you think it does.

What they are bringing up is that the cure (sodium nitrite) at high temperature bonds with proteins to produce nitrosamines, a carcinogen. BUT this only occurs in significant quantity when the cure is used in amounts more than the USDA guidelines and temperatures are very high. Basically home-made bacon charred black.

You aren't going to have a problem just eating normal everyday Hebrew Nationals. Nor should anyone avoid using a cure or consuming cured foods. Botulism is scary as fuck.

Also, this same phenomena is not strictly a meat issue. Anything containing amino acids that cures with nitrites can have this problem.
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Yes I did read it. Here is more about this subject with the sources at the bottom of the page. Meat increases the risk for cancer while fruit and vegetables reduce it.
http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk
The_Truth said:
And sorry but I'm not going to take a video seriously when the only source is a kook like Dr. Michael Greger
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He backs up what he says with randomized clinical trials. I don't see how you can ignore that.
 
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Piga Dgrifm said:
I'm here for a good time, not a long time.
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Hey man, if eating from this is a good time, then more power to ya
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I also see you guys mentioning Vegan Gains a lot. He's hardly a vegan since he feeds his dogs animal products. He's low hanging fruit no pun intended.
 
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YourUnclesDad said:
He's hardly a vegan since he feeds his dogs animal products.
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So he's not vegan because he refuses to compromise an animal's life?
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YourUnclesDad said:
Yes I did read it. Here is more about this subject with the sources at the bottom of the page. Meat increases the risk for cancer while fruit and vegetables reduce it.
http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk
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Again, you aren't reading the primary sources. They even hint at it here.
carcinogenic compounds such as heterocyclic amines (HCA) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) formed during the processing or cooking of meat. HCAs, formed as meat is cooked at high temperatures, and PAHs, formed during the burning of organic substances, are believed to increase cancer risk.
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Charred food is bad for you. Whoda thunk it!

The sources make it clear that it is the high temperatures that cause the formation of these compounds. This is not unique to meat however those practices are more common in preparation. They twisted a preparation issue into a diet issue.

Also, fruits and veggies reduce risk? That isn't how this works. Their preparation and consumption pose a lower risk. They do not reduce. That isn't how risk works here. Eating them isn't like putting on a hardhat against cancer. It just reduces the falling stuff you might need a hardhat for. Might.

YourUnclesDad said:
Hey man, if eating from this is a good time, then more power to ya
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XuGHGLIybHk
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Dude, I have chickens. I give no fucks. They shit all over the eggs. You just wash your hands after handling them. The eggs are kept safe because of the bloom.

Do you know what's really gross? Rotten grain. The soupy, snotty, smelly sludge that builds up in the hopper at a grain elevator in the spring. Guess who once had the job of mucking that out with a shovel and a bucket. Worse than pig shit. Way worse. Especially the dead rats floating in it. Then, when I got it "clean", we sent a couple thousand bushels of wheat through it off to the market. Yum yum!

Point is, lots of food is unsavory in handling and preparation. Most of it, actually. But grown-ups realize that a processes being pleasant has fuckall to do with it's importance or utility. We live in the real world that isn't some sanitized fantasy.
 
YourUnclesDad said:
Yes I did read it. Here is more about this subject with the sources at the bottom of the page. Meat increases the risk for cancer while fruit and vegetables reduce it.
http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

He backs up what he says with randomized clinical trials. I don't see how you can ignore that.
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>Physician Committee for Responsible Medicine

Oh great, a greatly partisan source while we're at it. They're quintessential vegan shills.

At this rate, a Deep Thoughts thread is merited.
 
Vegan gains acquired his dog while he was vegan. He's a fucking tard, puts himself in a situation where he has to buy animal products and calls himself a vegan.. He can't even debate NoBullshit.
 
YourUnclesDad said:
I also see you guys mentioning Vegan Gains a lot. He's hardly a vegan since he feeds his dogs animal products. He's low hanging fruit no pun intended.
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He tried feeding his dog a vegan diet and he ended up giving the poor little guy some very serious health complications.
 
Can we also add that while nitrosamines and other things in meat are human carcinogens, so are, according to IARC:

- Alcohol
- Ultraviolet rays
- X rays
- Working shifts
- Benzene (found in petrol and tobacco smoke)
- Acrylamide (found in toast and other bread products)
- Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (found in smoke of all varieties)

As such, your argument that denying yourself meat will mean you outlive us carnists (albeit in a po faced sackcloth and ashes way) is invalid. And I guarantee you that if vegan dinners were peddled at low cost, there'd still be so many mega fatties about because the cause of mega fatties is access to big portions at low cost and sedentary lifestyle.

This is not a difficult concept to understand.
 
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