Migrant Caravan Headed for U.S. Border - So, uh.. About that wall.

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Hundreds of Central American migrants have organized and banded together on a journey to the US border, and right-wing media and President Donald Trump are reacting with outrage, even describing the caravan as an “act of war” against America.

“INVASION: Army of Illegal Migrants Is Marching Its Way Through Mexico to U.S. Border,” reads a Friday headline on the Gateway Pundit. The piece describes the group as a “horde” of “invading migrants” who are “organized into groups and sub-groups like an army.”

The migrants—roughly 80 percent Honduran—are walking through 90-degree heat from south to north through Mexico, according to Adolfo Flores, a reporter documenting the journey for BuzzFeed News. He notes that yes, the group has organized into groups of 10-15 people, and there are committees to organize security, food, and logistics, but it’s “meant to help the migrants empower themselves.”

The march, part political theater and part exodus, was organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras, (“People Without Borders”), a migrant advocacy and support organization. It replicates, in a large-scale version, the journey tens of thousands of people from all over Central America and Mexico have made over the years trying to get to the US while fleeing conditions back in their home countries. Making the journey as part of a large group not only draws attention to their cause; it’s also much safer. Traveling alone or in very small groups, they’re much more likely to be harassed and assaulted by authorities or bandits who are known to rob migrants along the journey. In 2010, 72 migrants traveling a similar route were executed by members of a drug cartel.

Now, migrants find themselves traversing a different sort of battlefield. On Sunday morning, after tweeting “HAPPY EASTER!”, Trump started tweeting about the caravan. He fumed that “Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release,” and then attacked the Mexican government and the caravan:
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Flores, the Buzzfeed reporter accompanying the caravan, reports that the group will march to the US border where roughly two-thirds of the participants will either seek asylum in the US or try to cross the border illegally. Others in the group are traveling to other parts of Mexico.

Right-wing media groups are blaming the Mexican government. The caravan is entirely unsanctioned. It was organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras but organizers emphasized to participants that they were responsible for their own food, water, and bus tickets. “Mexico aids Easter invasion of over 1,000 illegals into US,” the conservative Washington Examiner headline from Saturday reads, and the piece goes on to slam the Mexican government for allowing the group to pass through the country “with relative ease.”

PJ Media, another conservative platform, cast the caravan in similar terms, but took it one step further. In a piece titled “New Wave of Migrants from Central America Headed to U.S.,” Rick Moran calls it “an organized attack on the American border by open borders activists, aided and abetted by Mexican authorities.” Moran speculates that the group’s intention is to force the US government to “overwhelm the system” and force the US government to release the migrants within the US.

“This is not only a direct challenge to U.S. sovereignty, it could be considered an act of war,” he writes. “These illiterate, uneducated ‘international workers’ are simply pawns being used by the Mexican government and international migrant activists.”

Karen, a mother making the journey with her children from Honduras, had a different message. “The crime rate is horrible, you can’t live there,” she told BuzzFeed News on the side of a highway near Huixtla, a town in Chiapas, Mexico’s southernmost state, referring to her home country. “There were deaths, mobs, robbed homes, adults and kids were beaten up.”

“If we all protect each other,” Rodrigo Abeja, an organizer with Pueblas Sin Fronteras, had said a few days earlier, “we’ll get through this together.”
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I half-expected this group to break cohesion awhile ago and not keep working their way any further, but they're getting awfully close and they only seem to be picking up steam. I get the distinct feeling that a bunch of them are making one last, mad dash to try and break through before this Wall gets any further along or before DACA gets the axe.

It's strange to see such a large-scale push all at once, though. I refuse to believe that this is just some grassroots, just-happens-to-be sort of crowd, because that's way too many people and it's been getting media coverage way too early. We were hearing about this migrant crowd over a week ago, before they'd barely even started to move through Southern Mexico.

Also, a bunch of high-profile idiots are trying to spread this video around to market it as though it's the current migrant caravan, but this video's from 2013. It'd really be nice if people would fact check stuff deeper than, "Oh James Woods said it so it's 100% true and now I'm super mad." It'd also be nice if people with a profile that large would fucking fact check their own shit to begin with. Highest IQ in Hollywood my ass.
 
CIA jobs are to destabilize. A fine job that the DEA has done in Mexico with the cartels.

Anyone remembers the Iran Contra? They still blamed Iran for the shit the CIA did to create the then powerhouse of drugs in Colombia.

Mexico is the result of the same shit.

All to control the nation indirectly and steal resources.


I bet you didn't know but there was a leaked memo from a famous Mexican Spy, where the USA was even trying to invade and takeover the Itzmo of Mexico (the narrower part of Mexico) to dredge a canal and make it like the Panama Canal ( a property of the USA). via Military push.



Its worse than that lol.

Most of the elite military of Mexico actually moved and formed their own Drug cartel named the ZETAS.

So the real "navy seals" equivalent, turned narcos.
This is wildly incorrect, but I can see how you'd come to it.

Iran Contra didn't make Columbia/Pablo/etc a production powerhouse, it had been for a decade already, it just was used as a way to try and leverage two problems (Iran hostages and the massive Colombian narco trade) in to being a solution for another (The Soviet backed Sandanistas) using an thought to be reliable ally (Noriega) as the middle man.

Like everything Ollie North did at the CIA, it was a moronic clusterfuck that every single station chief who heard the plan balked at and advised highly against. Unfortunately it was the one plan he pitched that made it through. Gus Avrakotos, the genius who figured out how to beat the Soviets with muhj, even stated as such dozens of times even though he was often reprimanded for it.

Simply put, the CIA exists to do what the federal government instructs and take the blame when thew instructions turn out to be dumb. When we mined the harbors in Nicaragua using rebels, Congress, especially the head of the intel commission, the late Mr. Goldwater, said it was done without the approval of congress or the executive, and the CIA took the beating, then when the FOIA hit the records clearly showed that every single member of Congress, the President and the State Dept were given a heads up and even offered funding months beforehand.

The Mexican cartel problem isn't America's fault, its the Mexican elite letting their criminals do whatever they want so long as they don't attack one of the maybe 6000 people who actually control the country's wealth, and making a little money off of it on the side with UN and US defense/law enforcement funding comes through. I live within 20 miles of 2 major border towns and I can tell you, whenever a new cartel takes over on the Mexican side, a new sheriff gets elected in the Mexican towns and the old ones end up dead int heir cars or flee to the US. That government is corrupt to its very fucking core and the Federales that preside over those areas often work as cartel muscle for the extra cash.

Most members of Mexico's elite military forces exist to protect the ruling class' property and family, when they retire they normally either marry an ugly rich girl or take work with an oil company protecting rigs, the guys joining the Zetas are mostly the federal police equivalent to Marshall's and DEA agents. I see about a dozen reports every week about how fucked the politics of that country are and how much worse they get by the day. While the cartels are mostly smart enough to hide on their side of the border as far as wetwork goes, a day is coming where the US is going to start droning the ever loving shit out of them if they slip up int he wrong area code.
 
You mean to tell me that a US domestic law enforcement agency that has zero jurisdiction in Mexico is completely ineffective at fighting crime and enforcing the law in Mexico.

I am shocked. Shocked I say.
Maybe he means that the DEA should have negotiated a surrender to them and traded unfettered sales in the USA for cooperation patrolling the border for anybody trying to escape Mexico?
 
As for the topic, Mexicans need to take their country back. Letting cartels and a currupted government drive away its people isn't a solution and creates economic burdens that other countries should not have to deal with.

That will literally never happen until the US starts enforcing it's immigration laws, which is why any reform must include strict enforcement. The whole reason Mexico makes a big stink every time Trump talks about it is because illegal immigration northwards is the only reason they're still in power.

Can you imagine the horror people like Enrique Nieto would feel if 11 million desperately poor people (people his government has been driving northwards to live as second-class citizens and feed their families with remittances) were suddenly dumped at his feet with no option but to stay in Mexico and make things better for themselves? That's how heads end up on pikes. That's how politicians get guillotined.
 
You mean to tell me that a US domestic law enforcement agency that has zero jurisdiction in Mexico is completely ineffective at fighting crime and enforcing the law in Mexico.

I am shocked. Shocked I say.
Gee bill, not sure if trying to act like a moron or actually being obtuse.

The DEA loves the "war on drugs", as it gives them unlimited money and jobs in an unstopable war.
While groups inside keep smuggling guns and arming the cartels.


As for these agencies operating in Mexico...
CIA and DEA agents actually operate in Mexico, hell it was in the news that the USA took part of their "interests" to fly drones around border zones in Mexico's side. And not the first time DEA agents been "mentioned" or "detained" in Mexico.


That will literally never happen until the US starts enforcing it's immigration laws, which is why any reform must include strict enforcement. The whole reason Mexico makes a big stink every time Trump talks about it is because illegal immigration northwards is the only reason they're still in power.

Can you imagine the horror people like Enrique Nieto would feel if 11 million desperately poor people (people his government has been driving northwards to live as second-class citizens and feed their families with remittances) were suddenly dumped at his feet with no option but to stay in Mexico and make things better for themselves? That's how heads end up on pikes. That's how politicians get guillotined.

As much I'd love to see that. Enrique will "retire" nicely ultrarich with the approximate 100 million dollars he stole and got from briberies.
He will probably have to leave the country if the opposition party wins this time (but I expect there will be again a gigantic fraud)

The Mexican cartel problem isn't America's fault


Actually it is, the rampant addiction and appetite for drugs fuels demand.

The providers just moved from Colombia to other countries, then to Mexico. where they established themselves.
 
Mexicans from Sonora, Chihuahua and Baja WANT to be annexed by the US. I talk to dozens every month and every single one will tell me they're wondering what the fuck will need to happen to get us to just take all of the Northern Mexican states for ourselves and unfuck the cartel/terror/etc bullshit

I know you're not the first person in this thread to bring up annexing parts of Mexico, but do people actually think that's remotely a good idea? Dead serious, is it worth taking even a small part of Mexico considering the resources we would have to dump down there just to bring them up to the standards of American ghettos?
 
I know you're not the first person in this thread to bring up annexing parts of Mexico, but do people actually think that's remotely a good idea? Dead serious, is it worth taking even a small part of Mexico considering the resources we would have to dump down there just to bring them up to the standards of American ghettos?

The only person I've ever seen advocate for invading Mexico and just annexing them was streamer and frequent "debate me IRL faggot" manlet Destiny when he got into an internet slapfight with Mr. Metokur.
 
I know you're not the first person in this thread to bring up annexing parts of Mexico, but do people actually think that's remotely a good idea? Dead serious, is it worth taking even a small part of Mexico considering the resources we would have to dump down there just to bring them up to the standards of American ghettos?


It's a terrible idea, it's just slightly better than nuking Mexico altogether
 
Actually it is, the rampant addiction and appetite for drugs fuels demand.

The providers just moved from Colombia to other countries, then to Mexico. where they established themselves.

Fair, we are on the demand curve, but so is everyone else in the first world, parts of Europe even more so.

And no one produces cocaine in Mexico, coca won't grow there too well, the Mexican cartels are mostly smugglers and enforcers, production of their product is Peru, Columbia and for amphetamines, ectasy, opioids and designer drugs, China. There's two parts in Mexico that the Chinese practically own due to the sheet amount of shit that comes through and the businesses involved.

The drug trade is surprisingly global and Mexico is only a big party because it's well located and poorly governed
 
It's a satire on a political comedy show that has been around for years. This is no different than earlier shows and is following current trends to poke at.

It shouldn't be read more into it than that. If people do, then they're as autistic

Why is it autistic to ask the Canadian government why they fund a specific television program, putting out a specific agenda, under the guise of "comedy?"

Why is it "autistic" to criticize the government spending on a "comedic" piece which celebrates the fact that in North America, whites will become a minority soon, due to the rapid influx of illegal immigration from Central and South America?

Is it okay just because they've been putting this garbage out on public TV for years? Just because they continue to put out audio-visual shit for years on their terrible TV shows, it's autistic to question why they might be funding such shows and ideas, instead of propping up others? They're "just comedy?"

Just like all the Late-Shows on the USA? John Stewart, Stephen Colbert, the black guy who took Colbert's job, they're just "comedians" and not pushing any specific agendas, right? They just tell jokes. They don't push political views on their audiences, and only autistic people question when they all bind together to push the exact same viewpoint, combined to be released all at once, but it's not to influence their audience or anything.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/night-tv-hosts-decry-las-vegas-killings-gun-051546635.html (just an example of these comedians telling really funny comedy and not using their television platforms to push a single unified view onto millions of viewers, as written by their corporate overlords)

There's no political trend when it comes to Canadian public broadcasting, these performers and writers simply strive for comedic excellence and to be known as really funny people who write really funny skits? I find it hard to believe that these people think they're clever and funny when they celebrate the end of whiteness.

Why can't these funny people come up with funny jokes, apart from "your race is becoming a minority in the country where it has been a majority for hundreds of years." I wouldn't question their motives if they told a joke besides "whites are becoming a minority."

This also reminds me of the Swedish government-funded Blanda Upp music video which encouraged racemixing, but I'm not questioning their motives because they at least had a catchy song and an entertaining video instead of a bunch of brown males and white females pretending to be cool rappers throwing up gang hand-signs in a white void. That was actual entertainment.
 
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Plop the National Guard along the border and build a line of fortifications and keep them garrisoned by border patrol and militia allowing the guard to be removed and not drain money.

Construct a wooden palisade across the border and make it well known that anyone passing by it without permission WILL be shot without predjudice.

Ignore any outrage from pussies around teh world and if you have to kill dozens then so be it. Keep your border safe...Don't become like Europe.
 
The only person I've ever seen advocate for invading Mexico and just annexing them was streamer and frequent "debate me IRL faggot" manlet Destiny when he got into an internet slapfight with Mr. Metokur.
Still more decent than the average foxnews cultist who keeps spewing "Lets Nuke X place" "We should put snipers everywhere"
All while snorting the biggest doze of cocaine they can muster while screaming 'MURRICA!

Plop the National Guard along the border and build a line of fortifications and keep them garrisoned by border patrol and militia allowing the guard to be removed and not drain money.

Construct a wooden palisade across the border and make it well known that anyone passing by it without permission WILL be shot without predjudice.

Ignore any outrage from pussies around teh world and if you have to kill dozens then so be it. Keep your border safe...Don't become like Europe.


Now the question will be, who will clean the blood and carcases?
Will Trump say that Mexico will like the Wall? lol

Fair, we are on the demand curve, but so is everyone else in the first world, parts of Europe even more so.

And no one produces cocaine in Mexico, coca won't grow there too well, the Mexican cartels are mostly smugglers and enforcers, production of their product is Peru, Columbia and for amphetamines, ectasy, opioids and designer drugs, China. There's two parts in Mexico that the Chinese practically own due to the sheet amount of shit that comes through and the businesses involved.

The drug trade is surprisingly global and Mexico is only a big party because it's well located and poorly governed


Exactly, but its get tiring everyone just pointing the fingers to Mexico.

The "country" that produces, would move anywhere after Mexico is cleaned up. IF the demand is there, there will always be someone trying to supply.

Cali and other states were smart to legalize the not deadly drugs. Weakens the cartels, strengthens the economy and prevents the money from going to the bad guys.

But somehow Republicans seem to hate that idea.
I guess they prefer the zero approach and war with everything (that never works)
 
Plop the National Guard along the border and build a line of fortifications and keep them garrisoned by border patrol and militia allowing the guard to be removed and not drain money.

Construct a wooden palisade across the border and make it well known that anyone passing by it without permission WILL be shot without predjudice.

Ignore any outrage from pussies around teh world and if you have to kill dozens then so be it. Keep your border safe...Don't become like Europe.

Snipers would only make sense for a smaller border, the one we have with Mexico is huge

Honestly, the longterm solution is strengthen Mexico's government and force them to take responsibility for the well being of their citizens, but the issue is they're systematically incapable without a full-on revolution or complete rebuilding of their federal government. Hell, even helping Northern mexico become an independent state would help if you could make it a representative one that upholds the basic human rights of its own citzens. The Mexican people are mostly good folk, their government is a rotten group of ratfinks that probably should be dragged out in front of international courts for the shit they're pulling at home
 
Can you imagine the horror people like Enrique Nieto would feel if 11 million desperately poor people (people his government has been driving northwards to live as second-class citizens and feed their families with remittances) were suddenly dumped at his feet with no option but to stay in Mexico and make things better for themselves? That's how heads end up on pikes. That's how politicians get guillotined.
that would work if Mexicans had access to firearms, which the majority don't.
you can thank the constitution of 1917 and the Dirty War for that.
 
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