Migrant Caravan Headed for U.S. Border - So, uh.. About that wall.

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Hundreds of Central American migrants have organized and banded together on a journey to the US border, and right-wing media and President Donald Trump are reacting with outrage, even describing the caravan as an “act of war” against America.

“INVASION: Army of Illegal Migrants Is Marching Its Way Through Mexico to U.S. Border,” reads a Friday headline on the Gateway Pundit. The piece describes the group as a “horde” of “invading migrants” who are “organized into groups and sub-groups like an army.”

The migrants—roughly 80 percent Honduran—are walking through 90-degree heat from south to north through Mexico, according to Adolfo Flores, a reporter documenting the journey for BuzzFeed News. He notes that yes, the group has organized into groups of 10-15 people, and there are committees to organize security, food, and logistics, but it’s “meant to help the migrants empower themselves.”

The march, part political theater and part exodus, was organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras, (“People Without Borders”), a migrant advocacy and support organization. It replicates, in a large-scale version, the journey tens of thousands of people from all over Central America and Mexico have made over the years trying to get to the US while fleeing conditions back in their home countries. Making the journey as part of a large group not only draws attention to their cause; it’s also much safer. Traveling alone or in very small groups, they’re much more likely to be harassed and assaulted by authorities or bandits who are known to rob migrants along the journey. In 2010, 72 migrants traveling a similar route were executed by members of a drug cartel.

Now, migrants find themselves traversing a different sort of battlefield. On Sunday morning, after tweeting “HAPPY EASTER!”, Trump started tweeting about the caravan. He fumed that “Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release,” and then attacked the Mexican government and the caravan:
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Flores, the Buzzfeed reporter accompanying the caravan, reports that the group will march to the US border where roughly two-thirds of the participants will either seek asylum in the US or try to cross the border illegally. Others in the group are traveling to other parts of Mexico.

Right-wing media groups are blaming the Mexican government. The caravan is entirely unsanctioned. It was organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras but organizers emphasized to participants that they were responsible for their own food, water, and bus tickets. “Mexico aids Easter invasion of over 1,000 illegals into US,” the conservative Washington Examiner headline from Saturday reads, and the piece goes on to slam the Mexican government for allowing the group to pass through the country “with relative ease.”

PJ Media, another conservative platform, cast the caravan in similar terms, but took it one step further. In a piece titled “New Wave of Migrants from Central America Headed to U.S.,” Rick Moran calls it “an organized attack on the American border by open borders activists, aided and abetted by Mexican authorities.” Moran speculates that the group’s intention is to force the US government to “overwhelm the system” and force the US government to release the migrants within the US.

“This is not only a direct challenge to U.S. sovereignty, it could be considered an act of war,” he writes. “These illiterate, uneducated ‘international workers’ are simply pawns being used by the Mexican government and international migrant activists.”

Karen, a mother making the journey with her children from Honduras, had a different message. “The crime rate is horrible, you can’t live there,” she told BuzzFeed News on the side of a highway near Huixtla, a town in Chiapas, Mexico’s southernmost state, referring to her home country. “There were deaths, mobs, robbed homes, adults and kids were beaten up.”

“If we all protect each other,” Rodrigo Abeja, an organizer with Pueblas Sin Fronteras, had said a few days earlier, “we’ll get through this together.”
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I half-expected this group to break cohesion awhile ago and not keep working their way any further, but they're getting awfully close and they only seem to be picking up steam. I get the distinct feeling that a bunch of them are making one last, mad dash to try and break through before this Wall gets any further along or before DACA gets the axe.

It's strange to see such a large-scale push all at once, though. I refuse to believe that this is just some grassroots, just-happens-to-be sort of crowd, because that's way too many people and it's been getting media coverage way too early. We were hearing about this migrant crowd over a week ago, before they'd barely even started to move through Southern Mexico.

Also, a bunch of high-profile idiots are trying to spread this video around to market it as though it's the current migrant caravan, but this video's from 2013. It'd really be nice if people would fact check stuff deeper than, "Oh James Woods said it so it's 100% true and now I'm super mad." It'd also be nice if people with a profile that large would fucking fact check their own shit to begin with. Highest IQ in Hollywood my ass.
 
Its Amazing.. it took nearly 6 months to deploy forces to help Puerto Rico.

But to stop some brown people in a caravan (holiday themed) to seek refugee made Trump mobilize everything in days!

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I guess Trump needs to put more brown people in the Economy, Senator and Representatives floors, so he can mobilize at records speeds.
 
Its Amazing.. it took nearly 6 months to deploy forces to help Puerto Rico.
The supplies and manpower to help Puerto Rico were mobilized and in-place before the hurricane even hit the country. Hell, the first day after Hurricane Maria made landfall, over 3,500 federal, civilian, and military personnel were on the ground. That one woman they found to shit all over Trump's efforts just refused to actively use the supplies she already had and was screaming about not having while she was standing in the room full of fucking supplies.

All of the delays after that were caused by the worker's unions in Puerto Rico refusing to do their jobs even in a time of crisis until they got a pay raise, so the entire country was put on a stand-still for months before the supplies that had been sitting in a warehouse since the day after the disaster finally started to get shipped out.

I don't know where you're pulling your information from but you clearly need to burn that bridge because they're either fucking stupid or intentionally lying to you.
 
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Mexicans from Sonora, Chihuahua and Baja WANT to be annexed by the US. I talk to dozens every month and every single one will tell me they're wondering what the fuck will need to happen to get us to just take all of the Northern Mexican states for ourselves and unfuck the cartel/terror/etc bullshit

Cartels are basically the Mexican equivalent of ISIS in terms of brutality and viciousness; if you fuck with them, they'll fuck you back a thousand times harder. Their reputation for savage, excessive violence is so well-known it's no wonder most people are too terrified of them to push back. Sometimes you don't even need to piss them off, they'll kill you anyway just cause. Back in 2011 Los Zetas, which is probably the biggest and most dangerous cartel in Mexico, kidnapped, tortured, and murdered nearly 200 people for basically no reason. Now imagine what they do to the people who actually piss them off.

Aside from the straight-up violence that keeps them in power, they also have power and control thanks to the tens of billions of dollars they rake in every single year. And they don't just profit off of drugs anymore; cartels have diversified into other illegal activities such as human trafficking, prostitution, kidnapping, blackmail, and counterfeiting. They're also engaged in legal (or close to legal, anyway) business ventures, such as selling avocados and iron ore.

Honestly, I think at this point the only thing that will cripple the cartels' power in Mexico is if the United States military launches a full-scale, boots-on-the-ground operation to wipe them out as much as they possibly can. I'm not saying I necessarily support this intervention, but I also believe Mexico would be a far better ally and neighbor if its cartel problem was taken care of. I also would support American intervention in Mexico far more than I would support further intervention in the Middle East.
 
The supplies and manpower to help Puerto Rico were mobilized and in-place before the hurricane even hit the country. Hell, the first day after Hurricane Maria made landfall, over 3,500 federal, civilian, and military personnel were on the ground. That one woman they found to shit all over Trump's efforts just refused to actively use the supplies she already had and was screaming about not having while she was standing in the room full of fucking supplies.

All of the delays after that were caused by the worker's unions in Puerto Rico refusing to do their jobs even in a time of crisis until they got a pay raise, so the entire country was put on a stand-still for months before the supplies that had been sitting in a warehouse since the day after the disaster finally started to get shipped out.

I don't know where you're pulling your information from but you clearly need to burn that bridge because they're either fucking stupid or intentionally lying to you.
Interesting...

Based on these news:

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/27/us/puerto-rico-aid-problem/index.html
http://abc7chicago.com/puerto-rico-hurricane-relief-donations-stuck-on-mainland/2465193/
https://www.buzzfeed.com/amberjamieson/aid-in-puerto-rico-ports?utm_term=.qn2qm5KJx#.vxYZKAR1v
https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/27/puerto-rico-hurricane-jones-act/



Also, there is a difference in DEPLOYING local forces vs additional mainland ones. Which was supposed to be the main complain on some of the news.



But welp.. seems corruption as usual..

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/10/puerto-rico-electricity-prepa-hurricane-maria/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-san-juan-mayor-relief-efforts-trump-look-bad/

Not to mention trying to shift the blame to teamsters?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/puerto-rico-teamsters/
 
Honestly, I think at this point the only thing that will cripple the cartels' power in Mexico is if the United States military launches a full-scale, boots-on-the-ground operation to wipe them out as much as they possibly can. I'm not saying I necessarily support this intervention, but I also believe Mexico would be a far better ally and neighbor if its cartel problem was taken care of. I also would support American intervention in Mexico far more than I would support further intervention in the Middle East.

I wonder if a full scale operation of similar levels of Colombia would slowly reduce the power of Cartels too.

I was still amazed how long it took for governments to start moving against the money stored by cartel leaders like El Chapo (who was supposedly worth 1 billion by forbes and 14 billion by other groups during his highest days before capture)
 
Well that was anticlimactic.

Actually not as much as you think. Mexico shut it down. Quickly and Quietly. They are facing a US President not afraid to drop the sanctions hammer. One that just started a trade war with China in order to force the blatant theft to stop. Mexico has no real defense against an American President finally acting in American Interests. There choices were act in American interests themselves or see something economically awful happen. Notice this happened on the same day that changes to NAFTA were agreed to? Yeah... For all his hot air regarding Trump Pena Nietto wasn’t about to kick off a trade war and potential shooting war with the US over a pack of invading Honduran migrants. Especially since the bulk of his own people didn’t want the illegal Hondurans in Mexico. Trump sending Troops to the border was the final straw.
 
Honestly, I think at this point the only thing that will cripple the cartels' power in Mexico is if the United States military launches a full-scale, boots-on-the-ground operation to wipe them out as much as they possibly can.
I honestly doubt this will ever happen, if it does people would riot saying cartels are part of a proud strong mexican culture and we're destroying their ancestry by getting rid of the cartels. Honestly it'd be nice if america rolled up and just mowed the cartels down but it feels like it'll never actually happen.
 
Honestly, I think at this point the only thing that will cripple the cartels' power in Mexico is if the United States military launches a full-scale, boots-on-the-ground operation to wipe them out as much as they possibly can.

Mexico's constitution prevents foreign troops from being stationed on Mexican soil in any capacity. Part of this is due to things like the Veracruz incident during their revolution in the early 1900's, the French sending troops during the mid 1800's to try and prop up one of the Mexican Emperors, and a whole host of other times that 'intervention' nearly or actually resulted in puppet governments propped up by foreign influences. Short of a total collapse of the central government and a total takeover of the entire country by the cartels, the US is probably going to stay out of it, for better or worse. Our record on intervening in central and south america isn't the best one.
 
LOL
Casa Puertorriquena in Humboldt Park has 15 shipping containers of supplies in a warehouse waiting to be sent to Puerto Rico. They need trucks, drivers and government clearance.
Aw man my haphazardly loaded ISO shipping containers didn't magically arrive where I wanted them to by magic. Curse you Drumpf!

The port was jammed up because they didn't have enough civilian truck drivers. They were at home taking care of their families. If you didn't have that shit staged at where it was needed in PR before the storm hit it wasn't getting in.

Also, the National Guard ain't truckers. What semi trucks they do operate don't use the manual unsynchronized transmissions that the civilians use. They use automatics. If you wanted them to move the containers around they would have had to bring their own gear to do it. Which would have had to happen before the storm hit. This idea that all Trump had to do was snap his fingers and send in the NG to fix the issue is fucking dumb.

Goddamn, I thought we got past this kind of stupid arm-chair disaster response thinking after Katrina. But the president has a (R) next to his name so let's turn on the waterworks for all the brown people he neglected. Fucking morons.
 
Actually not as much as you think. Mexico shut it down. Quickly and Quietly. They are facing a US President not afraid to drop the sanctions hammer..... Trump sending Troops to the border was the final straw.

It's slowly dawning on people what happens when nations decide to actually start looking after their own interests over being guilted into taking on other people's problems like a mooching neighbor who keeps "borrowing" your tools and if you ask for them back tells you "Eh, you can afford a new one, why you being such a tightwad?" People haven't seen real actual national leadership for so long, they forgot what it can actually DO when it orders guys with guns to draw a line in the sand.......
 
tbh I do think we will get a American intervention in Mexico sometime within our lives. Mexico was describe as being a state that could undergo a complete and sudden collapse. The problem is multi faceted though. A boots on the ground invasion won't mean shit when the cartels just come back like the Taliban. They won't lose any of their power because Americans love their drugs too much. To really start fixing this problem it requires change from both the Mexican and American people and their governments
 
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