Migrant Caravan Headed for U.S. Border - So, uh.. About that wall.

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Hundreds of Central American migrants have organized and banded together on a journey to the US border, and right-wing media and President Donald Trump are reacting with outrage, even describing the caravan as an “act of war” against America.

“INVASION: Army of Illegal Migrants Is Marching Its Way Through Mexico to U.S. Border,” reads a Friday headline on the Gateway Pundit. The piece describes the group as a “horde” of “invading migrants” who are “organized into groups and sub-groups like an army.”

The migrants—roughly 80 percent Honduran—are walking through 90-degree heat from south to north through Mexico, according to Adolfo Flores, a reporter documenting the journey for BuzzFeed News. He notes that yes, the group has organized into groups of 10-15 people, and there are committees to organize security, food, and logistics, but it’s “meant to help the migrants empower themselves.”

The march, part political theater and part exodus, was organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras, (“People Without Borders”), a migrant advocacy and support organization. It replicates, in a large-scale version, the journey tens of thousands of people from all over Central America and Mexico have made over the years trying to get to the US while fleeing conditions back in their home countries. Making the journey as part of a large group not only draws attention to their cause; it’s also much safer. Traveling alone or in very small groups, they’re much more likely to be harassed and assaulted by authorities or bandits who are known to rob migrants along the journey. In 2010, 72 migrants traveling a similar route were executed by members of a drug cartel.

Now, migrants find themselves traversing a different sort of battlefield. On Sunday morning, after tweeting “HAPPY EASTER!”, Trump started tweeting about the caravan. He fumed that “Border Patrol Agents are not allowed to properly do their job at the Border because of ridiculous (Democrat) laws like Catch & Release,” and then attacked the Mexican government and the caravan:
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Flores, the Buzzfeed reporter accompanying the caravan, reports that the group will march to the US border where roughly two-thirds of the participants will either seek asylum in the US or try to cross the border illegally. Others in the group are traveling to other parts of Mexico.

Right-wing media groups are blaming the Mexican government. The caravan is entirely unsanctioned. It was organized by Pueblos Sin Fronteras but organizers emphasized to participants that they were responsible for their own food, water, and bus tickets. “Mexico aids Easter invasion of over 1,000 illegals into US,” the conservative Washington Examiner headline from Saturday reads, and the piece goes on to slam the Mexican government for allowing the group to pass through the country “with relative ease.”

PJ Media, another conservative platform, cast the caravan in similar terms, but took it one step further. In a piece titled “New Wave of Migrants from Central America Headed to U.S.,” Rick Moran calls it “an organized attack on the American border by open borders activists, aided and abetted by Mexican authorities.” Moran speculates that the group’s intention is to force the US government to “overwhelm the system” and force the US government to release the migrants within the US.

“This is not only a direct challenge to U.S. sovereignty, it could be considered an act of war,” he writes. “These illiterate, uneducated ‘international workers’ are simply pawns being used by the Mexican government and international migrant activists.”

Karen, a mother making the journey with her children from Honduras, had a different message. “The crime rate is horrible, you can’t live there,” she told BuzzFeed News on the side of a highway near Huixtla, a town in Chiapas, Mexico’s southernmost state, referring to her home country. “There were deaths, mobs, robbed homes, adults and kids were beaten up.”

“If we all protect each other,” Rodrigo Abeja, an organizer with Pueblas Sin Fronteras, had said a few days earlier, “we’ll get through this together.”
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I half-expected this group to break cohesion awhile ago and not keep working their way any further, but they're getting awfully close and they only seem to be picking up steam. I get the distinct feeling that a bunch of them are making one last, mad dash to try and break through before this Wall gets any further along or before DACA gets the axe.

It's strange to see such a large-scale push all at once, though. I refuse to believe that this is just some grassroots, just-happens-to-be sort of crowd, because that's way too many people and it's been getting media coverage way too early. We were hearing about this migrant crowd over a week ago, before they'd barely even started to move through Southern Mexico.

Also, a bunch of high-profile idiots are trying to spread this video around to market it as though it's the current migrant caravan, but this video's from 2013. It'd really be nice if people would fact check stuff deeper than, "Oh James Woods said it so it's 100% true and now I'm super mad." It'd also be nice if people with a profile that large would fucking fact check their own shit to begin with. Highest IQ in Hollywood my ass.
 
Who is opposed to mass-immigration in the USA? Trump ran on the toughest immigration platform in decades, but hasn't been able to accomplish very much in terms of immigration, besides alienating his base by actively pushing for people under under DACA to be granted citizenship, or a path to it.

He criticized the very existence of DACA. He claimed the previous president didn't have the constitutional authority to delay enforcement of immigration law. He has the power to reverse that executive order with the stroke of a pen (or let his extension of it expire), but instead he's talking about letting them stay, and giving them a path to citizenship (i.e. a path to giving Democrats more votes).

It's clear why Democrats push for open borders. It directly correlates with their voter base.

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Yet most "big name" Republicans like Romney, McCain, Jeb Bush, the ones that the news puts on the front page, they also don't oppose open borders. They either believe they can convince the Hispanic demographic to vote for them (hasn't happened in the last 58 years since we changed our migration policy and got flooded with almost exclusively Mexican-born immigrants, and most of them illegally entering.)

It's clear that the people who voted the president in wanted a strict immigration policy. Not everyone is as stupid as Republicans in congress.
I've always taken an umbrage with that entire "Demographics is destiny" train of thought because all that people ever seem to do with it is push a not-particularly-subtle form of racism to the fore to use as a scare tactic. There are so many other facets to the kinds of polls that Julian's hocking out there that mangling it with a crowbar to reduce it down to a slightly reworded "Only white people vote the right way" sort of argument always leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, especially when an overwhelming number of these Antifa/Open Borders/White guilt jackasses are fucking white anyways.

People also mistake Trump's intentions with DACA all the time. For all the fuss he kicked up about it and for all the promises he kept making to increase the number of DACA recipients to a whopping 1.8 million people, what actually came from that? Has anyone noticed that all he does with DACA now is bludgeon the Democrats over the head with it? Beyond that, the path to citizenship he was floating their way was still a considerable hurdle. It would have taken an average of 12 years to make it down the road to full citizenship, and they would not have been given voting rights, they would not be allowed to go on welfare, and if they were handed so much as a speeding ticket they would have been deported. How many DREAMers do you think would have made it to the end of that "pathway?"

I'll certainly agree with you that the Democrats heavily rely on illegal immigrants or people who are ultimately little more than just socioeconomic slaves that the Democrats have tied down in high-population areas by chaining them up with a dependency on welfare and healthcare and Sanctuary System policies to prevent them from getting hurled over The Wall. If you really start to break it down, though, and look at how the 2016 election fared by county rather than state, it starts to become obvious that even at the height of this entire ordeal, all they really controlled was a handful of high-population areas on the coasts, and they've lost ground by leaps and bounds since then.

In some parts of the country, ICE arrests are up by as much as 87% compared to previous years, and self-deportation has risen alarmingly, especially since Trump signed Executive Order 13768, which allows ICE to prosecute returning illegals with a felony. Jeff Sessions has been taking swing after swing at the Sanctuary City states this whole time, too, and just yesterday he filed yet another lawsuit against the state of California, slowly chiseling away at their ability to keep harbouring these people. All of this carries on while The Wall blazes forwards and everyone, even Trump himself, continues to pretend it's not being built. Even after Trump made it blatantly obvious that the Omnibus Bill contained a huge payday for the project, everyone continued to not look that direction because... I honestly don't know.

The crowd of people who think Trump has surrendered on DACA and isn't taking a meaningful stance on immigration reform are the same crowd of people who really aren't paying a whole lot of attention. There is a monsterous rift between what the media-- even the "right-wing" media--says is happening, and what is actually happening. Even after nearly two years spent proving that these people lie given every single opportunity they're afforded, people still expect to see these huge, ground-breaking, hard-stance headlines because they've just watched so many movies that they don't remember how the real world works, anymore, and that much more often than not, it is a much smarter idea to pretend you're sticking to Plan A while everyone behind the curtain furiously hammers away at Plan B.
 
I've always taken an umbrage with that entire "Demographics is destiny" train of thought because all that people ever seem to do with it is push a not-particularly-subtle form of racism to the fore to use as a scare tactic. There are so many other facets to the kinds of polls that Julian's hocking out there that mangling it with a crowbar to reduce it down to a slightly reworded "Only white people vote the right way" sort of argument always leaves a nasty taste in my mouth, especially when an overwhelming number of these Antifa/Open Borders/White guilt jackasses are fucking white anyways.
I know I'm only focusing on one part of your post but from personal experience, I rarely see "demographics is destiny" used by anti-immigrant people compared to people who fetishize non-whites. It's totally a scare tactic but it seems more common to see protesters waving "Your grandkids will be brown!" signs or ranting about how they can't wait for whitey to die off to start the progressive future or similar statements. You have people who push "anti-racism" stuff with the angle of "Do it and we'll be slightly less hostile to everyone once we are dominant".

Of course, that's anecdotal.
 
I've always taken an umbrage with that entire "Demographics is destiny" train of thought because all that people ever seem to do with it is push a not-particularly-subtle form of racism to the fore to use as a scare tactic.

California went from a 90% white state to the only US state with a Hispanic majority within 53 years of passing immigration reform, Hispanics are the largest growing demographic in the US by far, but it's scare-mongering to think that the out of control illegal immigration that is the root cause of this huge demographic wave changing the US' demographics.

They wrote articles the moment the California hispanic population overtook 50%. The magazines and such said finally, California had achieved "diversity." They had a freudian slip, their goal of 'diversity' is the reduction of the % of white population, changing the white population from a majority to a minority.

With legal immigration limits, this wouldn't be possible. Our illegal immigration problem is so bad that the demographics of the country are shifting because of a badly guarded border, and the places where the highest illegal migration flows into, has the hugest housing and homeless problems in the country. The country's infrastructure cannot handle millions more of poor people who can't even provide housing for themselves, and people who aren't even our citizens. California is proof of this.

Again, even if Trump hasn't done anything for DACA yet, he has also not lived up to his very strong promises on border security, some of which could be done executively. He did at least get ICE working on more deportations.

Who is going to stand up and push for border security in Congress? Will Trump, next year, again sign a spending bill that doesn't fund The Wall?

It's totally a scare tactic but it seems more common to see protesters waving "Your grandkids will be brown!" signs or ranting about how they can't wait for whitey to die off to start the progressive future or similar statements.

By 'protestors,' you mean progressive television programs funded by the government of Canada, taunting whites for the end of their race, declaring the future to be a 'biege horizon.'


Why is Canada spending taxpayer dollars to put this out on public TV?
 
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The sad thing is that there's no easy solution. One thing is we just can't be Mexico's dumping ground for their poor, the higher-ups won't learn anything, and nothing will get done to fix their own country. America (and other western countries) can't do everything for everyone else and sadly, they're going to have to learn how to take care of themselves. (Granted some practical help is ok.) The new white man's burden where the white man has to be the servant and give the other races what they want with nothing in return or expect them to follow any rules because of our race's past sins won't work.
 
The problem is that you're getting unskilled labor when that's the easiest exploitable job. Let's be honest, doctors and lawyers and surgeons aren't coming over in a migrant caravan. These are the poorest and the desperate.

The thing is our society is set up dramatically different from theirs. They don't have a mechanism to succeed in our society without spending massive amounts of money and time on them. Sorry, I don't think those resources should be used when we have plenty of our own poor and homeless.

And since they are illegal with little to no skills, they get hired for like $2 an hour. There were farms in Florida where they kept illegals as literal slaves with chains and shit. What options do they have? If they are legal no one is going to hire them as unskilled because they have to pay way more than just hiring an illegal.

Yeah, it sucks they were born in a shithole, but what can you do? It's callous but there are people here that desperately need help and I am not inclined to help illegals when our own people still suffer in the richest nation on Earth. And if our own suffer, they will too. It is not a solution for success.
 
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wb55teb1gJ0
Why is Canada spending taxpayer dollars to put this out on public TV?
Because it's a political comedy show and Shaun Majumder is a comedian known for his racial based stand up? He's not very PC by SJW logic as he also makes fun of his Indian heritage.

Taking the rap seriously is completely missing the point that it's making fun of paranoids.
 
There's a really easy solution to this whole thing

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Because I ain't ever seen a caravan, convoy or collection of shit that this will not solve in about 4 passes, max
 
I wonder if these people think that causing a big scene will get them enough pity points to be let in due to outrage of their "efforts" not bearing any fruit. You know we'll have pictures of women with dirty children hugging in the dirt while staring all wide eyed at the camera. Maybe in a hundred year we'll finally annex mexico and make it a better place :optimistic::optimistic::optimistic:
 
I wonder if these people think that causing a big scene will get them enough pity points to be let in due to outrage of their "efforts" not bearing any fruit. You know we'll have pictures of women with dirty children hugging in the dirt while staring all wide eyed at the camera. Maybe in a hundred year we'll finally annex mexico and make it a better place :optimistic::optimistic::optimistic:

Mexicans from Sonora, Chihuahua and Baja WANT to be annexed by the US. I talk to dozens every month and every single one will tell me they're wondering what the fuck will need to happen to get us to just take all of the Northern Mexican states for ourselves and unfuck the cartel/terror/etc bullshit
 
missing the point that it's making fun of paranoids.

No, it's shunning anyone who disagrees with open borders policies, which largely fuels immigration from more Hispanic, more black poorer countries, as "paranoid" alt-righters instead of people who see their country flooded with hundreds of millions of people because they happen to vote a certain way, and who overwhelmingly use social services at a much higher rate, and it's using the government-funded television station to broadcast it to its voters.
 
Yeah, there's really no good reason for the US to have open border piolicies with countries that aren't members of a major military or economic ally like the UK, Japan, Australia, Taiwan, etc. Our resources are huge, but not limitless and our tax dollars don't create a surplus that can be spent on people who realistically won't produce a net-gain in less than 3 generations
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/03/us/politics/trump-border-immigration-caravan.html

WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Tuesday that he planned to order the military to guard parts of the southern border until he can build a wall and tighten immigration restrictions, proposing a remarkable escalation of his efforts to crack down on migrants entering the country illegally.

Mr. Trump, who has been stewing publicly for days about what he characterizes as lax immigration laws and the potential for an influx of Central American migrants to stream into the United States, said he was consulting with Jim Mattis, the secretary of defense, about resorting to military deployments.

“We have very bad laws for our border, and we are going to be doing some things — I’ve been speaking with General Mattis — we’re going to be doing things militarily,” Mr. Trump said at the White House, seated beside the defense secretary at a meeting with visiting leaders of Baltic nations. “Until we can have a wall and proper security, we’re going to be guarding our border with the military. That’s a big step. We really haven’t done that before, or certainly not very much before.”

The active-duty military is generally barred by law from carrying out domestic law enforcement functions, such as apprehending people at the border. But previous presidents have deployed National Guard troops to act in support roles on the border with Mexico — former President Barack Obama sent 1,200 in 2010 and former President George W. Bush dispatched 6,000 in 2006.Governors of border states have done the same when faced with large inflows.

Late Monday, Mexican immigration officials started to negotiate with the caravan’s organizers. And Mexican authorities have agreed to provide humanitarian visas to the migrants so that they can stay in Mexico legally, a representative from Pueblo Sin Fronteras said.
On Tuesday, Mr. Trump claimed credit for having persuaded Mexican officials to break up the caravan.
 
Reminder that the Posse Comitatus Act, which restricts the military from being used in domestic affairs, does not actually apply to the Marine Corps.

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No, it's shunning anyone who disagrees with open borders policies, which largely fuels immigration from more Hispanic, more black poorer countries, as "paranoid" alt-righters instead of people who see their country flooded with hundreds of millions of people because they happen to vote a certain way, and who overwhelmingly use social services at a much higher rate, and it's using the government-funded television station to broadcast it to its voters.
It's a satire on a political comedy show that has been around for years. This is no different than earlier shows and is following current trends to poke at.

It shouldn't be read more into it than that. If people do, then they're as autistic as their counterparts.

As for the topic, Mexicans need to take their country back. Letting cartels and a currupted government drive away its people isn't a solution and creates economic burdens that other countries should not have to deal with.
 
As for the topic, Mexicans need to take their country back. Letting cartels and a currupted government drive away its people isn't a solution and creates economic burdens that other countries should not have to deal with.

That country has never been theirs, though. Not once in history has a monarch, oligarch or tyrant not been the ruler, legitimate or otherwise, of Mexico. Northern Mexicans don't even consider themselves Mexican citizens, because Mexico city has always treated them as peasants and dirt farmers, made to pay the taxes in blood, sweat and occasionally currency needed to keep their elite living well. I guarantee you, if the US announced it was annexing the bordering Mexican states, the amount of booze drank in celebration would surpass "Russian Winter" status
 
How stupid does a government have to be to intentionally piss off Trump during the final round of NAFTA negotiations that were actually working out to be relatively favorable to Mexico? It’s like they want to blow up their export driven economy.
Export driven? Mexico exports its money.

Mexico buys a ton of US corn for example.
Buys even refined fuel thanks to corrupted deals with USA big oil companies.


Bonus for twats from sites like foxnews, claiming that these midmaerican immigrants escaping violence are "Mexican".

Why the fuck would the US want to annex Mexico? That would be like buying shitty mortgaged properties off of someone who's about to lose in a round of Monopoly that you have to dump a ton of money into before you can even use them yourself.

Agree, specially when both Mexican government auto-sabotages themselves with rampant corruption (nearly 3,000 million USD in mexican currency were stolen by politicians in the last 6 years)
The USA doesnt help either, last reports says up to 70% of all weapons the Narc has (most military grade, including heavy .50 cal machineguns) are sent and sold by US dark channel vendors and even the government itself.
Neither does help the rampant consumption in the USA.

Mexico is pretty much the new Colombia.

"lol look at us we're illegal immigrants"
You would think illegals would try to be stealthier about their illegal status. It's like they're asking to get deported.

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If I remember correctly, they want to apply for protection status (aka persecuted in their own countries). Which is technically a way to legally enter the USA based on its laws.

This is obviously organized by Mexico, considering that normally Mexico gets very angry about Guatemalans, Hondurans, and other shitholers trying to cross their border. Of course, they might have had some (((help))) along the way.

I bet you got this BS from Alex Jones lol.

Mexico government tries to stop immigration as well, they supposedly stop up to 60%. But corruption and lack of resources are rampant.

Not to mention the USA loves to push the detained from other countries (like Guatemala or costa rica) into Mexico instead of sending them back to where they belong.

No way. The cartels make a shitton of money trafficking people. They would never work with the US to destroy one of their sources of income.


Yeah, fuck having a developed economy in a friendly country as a new market to buy our shit. That's stupid and the Marshall Plan never happened. We want them so shitty and corrupt that their people mass emigrate here and cost us billions of dollars.

Look, Mexico ain't a banana republic. It has problems because you guys don't have the cajones to overthrow what is obviously a corrupt system. Whether through the ballot box or violence. That place has been a quasi-dictatorship with local bosses skimming off the top and making people's lives hell since long before the US even existed.
CIA jobs are to destabilize. A fine job that the DEA has done in Mexico with the cartels.

Anyone remembers the Iran Contra? They still blamed Iran for the shit the CIA did to create the then powerhouse of drugs in Colombia.

Mexico is the result of the same shit.

All to control the nation indirectly and steal resources.


I bet you didn't know but there was a leaked memo from a famous Mexican Spy, where the USA was even trying to invade and takeover the Itzmo of Mexico (the narrower part of Mexico) to dredge a canal and make it like the Panama Canal ( a property of the USA). via Military push.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FqWP40i-ydEIt also doesn't help that Mexico has an absolutely god-awful military that behaves about as competently as any teenage, military LARP group from some fly-over state. This is a raid that the Fuerza de Infantería de Marina (Mexican Naval Infantry Force--essentially the equivalent of a US special forces group--conducted on one of Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán's compounds in early 2016.

It's a decent little chunk of a video, but even if you only have a very, very limited amount of knowledge concerning military tactics, it will still stand out as an unbelievable clusterfuck of an operation. None of the soldiers are communicating, none of them are conducting proper sweeps, none of them are giving the all clear, and even when they're given direct orders such as "Check under the bed!" they just... Don't.

They stand right in front of the door for several minutes beating on it with a battering ram and ensuring that every single fucker in a ten-block radius is woken up, and then get blasted to Hell through the windows. This guy doesn't even know how to prepare a grenade and nearly blows their asses up, and at one point the Commander, who's been micromanaging this entire effort because nobody is doing shit on their own, actually starts forcibly shoving them forwards because they won't advance.

This isn't just some crappy, local police force either, this is one of Mexico's special forces division. Try and imagine something like a SEAL Team or the Green Berets functioning like this and you start to understand why Mexico is having such an insurmountable problem when it comes to handling the Cartels, or even just lawlessness in general. How in the Hell are you going to take down a country-spanning crime syndicate when fuckin' Jesús over here has to be told not to stand in front of an open window while bullets are actively flying through the glass?

Its worse than that lol.

Most of the elite military of Mexico actually moved and formed their own Drug cartel named the ZETAS.

So the real "navy seals" equivalent, turned narcos.

Reminder that the Posse Comitatus Act, which restricts the military from being used in domestic affairs, does not actually apply to the Marine Corps.

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Didn't they had to replace the first photos after trump a few times already?
 
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