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GeorgeDaMoose said:
Snake learning more about Skullface's plans, okay that makes sense. Snake completely risking his life and Skullface not shooting Snake and killing him the few times he could have makes zero sense, especially since he makes it very clear that he wants Venom dead. I mean holy fuck, Snake could and would have died if Mantis didn't uhhh...I don't know what Mantis did to be honest, I'm still very confused on how Volg- I mean Man on Fire works and how he's affected by Mantis. The most I really get about Mantis is that his costume changes a bit depending on who he's working for.
Snake being a mostly silent character is actually a real tragedy to me. Kiefer is a pretty fucking good VA and he had some amazing lines in the game so far. But he has 0 personality compared to previous games because for whatever reason Kojima cut a lot of his dialogue. He's a blank slate, but not blank enough to insert yourself in the role. I get Kojima was trying to go for some sort of self-insert thing with the whole avatar being Venom thing and the lack of dialogue, but it really hurts the story (Also he hints at Venom not being Big Boss way too fucking much to the point where it's obvious right after you leave the hospital). But anyways, you have this scene here where the hero is being told of the villains plans by the villain himself...but he does nothing. He stares at him, absorbs everything he says, offers no opinions, and occasionally looks from side to side. It's just dumb and what makes it worse is Skullface's speech ending and Sins of the Father playing out of NOWHERE while they silently stare at each other like it's some fucking awkward stereotypical prom night.

There's nothing wrong with the over dramatic side of Skullface, but sometimes the shit he says just doesn't make any sense. "SUCH A LUST FOR REVENGE" and "MAJOR I'M BURNIN UPPPPPPPPPPPP" being the best examples of the dumb shit he says. It's just out of place and very odd to the point where the player can't take anything seriously. And considering what Skullface did to MSF, you'd think Kojima would really want to reel in the player at this point and get them involved in this conflict, not make a joke out of it. And my fucking God Huey killing Skullface was retarded and came from NOWHERE. The game is amazingly flawed to the point where I can't help, but wonder if the game only got rave reviews because Konami paid for them.
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Alright, got some good points there.

Okay, yeah, the silent protagonist thing did hurt the plot at times, will give you that. Also, yeah, I'd expect more eye contact with the guy who fucked you over so much, if only to glower at his smug face while he tells you how he planned to further fuck up the human race.

Huey killing Skullface, yeah, that was idiotic, but they did foreshadow Huey was desperate to save his own ass and look loyal, and as dumb as it looked, being willing to kill the guy he was suspected of willfully colluding with was probably his idea of getting his name cleared.

Of course, that didn't really have too much effect on Kaz and Snake (who didn't buy it for a minute), but Huey didn't seem to grasp that.
 
Cynical said:
Alright, got some good points there.

Okay, yeah, the silent protagonist thing did hurt the plot at times, will give you that. Also, yeah, I'd expect more eye contact with the guy who fucked you over so much, if only to glower at his smug face while he tells you how he planned to further fuck up the human race.

Huey killing Skullface, yeah, that was idiotic, but they did foreshadow Huey was desperate to save his own ass and look loyal, and as dumb as it looked, being willing to kill the guy he was suspected of willfully colluding with was probably his idea of getting his name cleared.

Of course, that didn't really have too much effect on Kaz and Snake (who didn't buy it for a minute), but Huey didn't seem to grasp that.
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I get that Huey killing Skullface was intended to cover up the dumb shit he did instead of for actual revenge, but it was still just a weird moment. He walks right on by Venom and Kaz, they don't give a shit, and he loads a gun in a second and pops a shot at Skullface. I get that isn't the smartest when it comes to social shit, but surely even a tard could see that Skullface wasn't in the position to say anything and that Snake/Kaz weren't even interested in him anymore at that point? Huey put more suspicion on him than ever, which just seems odd for me considering how smart the guy is and how resilient he's been to the torture. For him to slip up that easily seems way out of character.

MGSV is doing nothing, but disappointing me right now. Africa felt like a breath of fresh air, but quickly grew stale. The trailers gave the idea that this was going to be a game about revenge, about Big Boss becoming a demon. Some fucked up shit was shown and none of that translated well to the game. Child Soldiers? Yeah, they're there. Nothing controversial is done with them at all, I feel fucking Metal Gear Rising did more with child soldiers than this game. The torture scenes? They removed the waterboarding for Huey and we saw nothing of Camp Omega with the prisoner being waterboarded and shot.
I feel like I saw this really mature game coming out with a story that would satisfy new MG players and old. Of course there was still that campy usual MG shit, but when Kojima promised something taboo, I expected it.
Apparently, Kojima was going to do something with 9/11 and that entire story got cut.
 
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GeorgeDaMoose said:
I get that Huey killing Skullface was intended to cover up the dumb shit he did instead of for actual revenge, but it was still just a weird moment. He walks right on by Venom and Kaz, they don't give a shit, and he loads a gun in a second and pops a shot at Skullface. I get that isn't the smartest when it comes to social shit, but surely even a tard could see that Skullface wasn't in the position to say anything and that Snake/Kaz weren't even interested in him anymore at that point? Huey put more suspicion on him than ever, which just seems odd for me considering how smart the guy is and how resilient he's been to the torture. For him to slip up that easily seems way out of character.
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I'm not that disappointed with the plot, but it sure did kneecap some of the parts that could have been awesome with scenes that needed more fleshing out. The cut content, well, I hope someone mods it into the game or we get official DLC, because the stock version is just WTF levels of "shouldn't there be more plot here?"

As for Huey and his social skills:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Huey always an autist socially? In Peace Walker, even Strangelove, a woman with her own mental issues, even she thought Huey was a tactless ass, if I remember right.
 
Cynical said:
I'm not that disappointed with the plot, but it sure did kneecap some of the parts that could have been awesome with scenes that needed more fleshing out. The cut content, well, I hope someone mods it into the game or we get official DLC, because the stock version is just WTF levels of "shouldn't there be more plot here?"

As for Huey and his social skills:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Huey always an autist socially? In Peace Walker, even Strangelove, a woman with her own mental issues, even she thought Huey was a tactless ass, if I remember right.
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Oh yeah Huey is a complete idiot when it comes to socializing, but
he handled the torture extremely well for a geek, so I can't help but wonder why he didn't handle that situation as well? It seemed odd that a guy who withstood giving up any real crucial information until threatened with something that could truly immobilize him would suddenly go out of his way to implicate himself.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
Oh yeah Huey is a complete idiot when it comes to socializing, but
he handled the torture extremely well for a geek, so I can't help but wonder why he didn't handle that situation as well? It seemed odd that a guy who withstood giving up any real crucial information until threatened with something that could truly immobilize him would suddenly go out of his way to implicate himself.
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With that in mind, it does seem pretty out of character.
 
Ok, this is some serious maddafackin' bullshit.

I practically got her down to ZERO health, and she runs off. I'm heading to where I THINK she was when I did the mission the first time, but all of the sudden my candy ass gets sniped out of nowhere. What am I doing wrong? Do I have to get her stamina down as well?
 
Yeah I'm done with MGSV, I'm not even having fun anymore.
I just have so many issues with this game and I can't comprehend how they got past the development team. The idea that this game is a serious game of the year contender is absolutely laughable to me considering how once you finish Chapter 1 the game SCREAMS unfinished. I was shocked by the complete lack of quality content past Chapter 1. They shipped out this game incomplete and didn't even bother to cover it up in the slightest. Nope, let's just rehash missions and tie up maybe one or two loose ends along the way. Even if you ignore the fact that the game isn't even fucking complete, it's hard to ignore the mediocre stealth gameplay and the boring open world. What's really sad to me is the game started off incredibly strong. Some people would argue that the prologue is the worst part of the game due to how on-rails it is, but I would say it's the best simply because of that. The linear nature of the prologue allowed the developers to really make it a solid level and it also really immersed the player as Snake. Compare that to the rest of the game where outposts are poorly designed and some interiors strongly resemble various others. Speaking of immersion, did Kojima actually think it made sense to hire Kiefer Sutherland to play Snake and then make Snake a silent protagonist? It was just handled so poorly and made zero sense outside of the hospital where Snake just woke up from a coma and was coming to his senses. I could go on and on, but then I'd start to let out a big more anger than necessary for a forum post. Just so disappointed.

Broseph Stalin said:
Ok, this is some serious maddafackin' bullshit.

I practically got her down to ZERO health, and she runs off. I'm heading to where I THINK she was when I did the mission the first time, but all of the sudden my candy ass gets sniped out of nowhere. What am I doing wrong? Do I have to get her stamina down as well?
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I just bombarded her because I didn't even care about my rankings at that point.
 
Has anyone here ever tried the "put custom parts that don't belong on certain guns that give them awesome abilities they shouldn't have" glitch?

Well, I'm sure it was mentioned earlier in this thread, but for those who've tried it, I noticed a few things you'll want to keep in mind.

For starters, the base property of the gun (lethal or nonlethal) will NOT be affected, so you could give yourself a nonlethal gun with parts from lethal guns and keep the nonlethal aspects, which is pretty awesome if you want to give nonlethal guns high ammo clips.

Second, if you use gun specific functions with the modified gun, it will function like normal, but if you don't it will work with the properties of the parts it shouldn't use. For instance, let's say you modified a rocket launcher with a machine gun clip. As long as you don't reload the clip (which will be as slow as the stock launcher) or use the scope (which will fire a single shot like the stock launcher), you effectively would have a semi-automatic grenade launcher with much higher power and range. As long as you have a laser sight, this makes for a very lethal weapon at most ranges, unless you are trying to snipe gunships at 600+ meters or something.

Finally, it's possible to derp up guns with shittier parts using this method, but this is easily fixed by changing out the base of the gun you'll be using.
 
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GeorgeDaMoose said:
Oh yeah Huey is a complete idiot when it comes to socializing, but
he handled the torture extremely well for a geek, so I can't help but wonder why he didn't handle that situation as well? It seemed odd that a guy who withstood giving up any real crucial information until threatened with something that could truly immobilize him would suddenly go out of his way to implicate himself.
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The Huey stuff didn't bother me that much, he always seemed like a sperg who thought he was smarter than everyone so as long as he didn't directly talk or get given up by skull face he thought he could talk his way out of anything.

general chapter 2/ending story sperging

Why the hell didn't they just end it after chapter one if they were going to phone in the second "half" like that. What the fuck is up with Kaz the entire game? He acts like a crazy asshole the entire time, apologizes when they send Huey off and acts like it's all better then goes back to acting like a crazy person because apparently only Ocelot knew about big boss and Kaz is anal pained about the fact that they are going to try and make a country like he wanted to in peace walker? WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO LIQUID AND THE METAL GEAR? You can't just leave a story like that hanging.
 
waffle said:
The Huey stuff didn't bother me that much, he always seemed like a sperg who thought he was smarter than everyone so as long as he didn't directly talk or get given up by skull face he thought he could talk his way out of anything.

general chapter 2/ending story sperging

Why the hell didn't they just end it after chapter one if they were going to phone in the second "half" like that. What the fuck is up with Kaz the entire game? He acts like a crazy asshole the entire time, apologizes when they send Huey off and acts like it's all better then goes back to acting like a crazy person because apparently only Ocelot knew about big boss and Kaz is anal pained about the fact that they are going to try and make a country like he wanted to in peace walker? WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO LIQUID AND THE METAL GEAR? You can't just leave a story like that hanging.
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Mission 51 was cut for no good reason, but concluded the story with Eli and the Metal Gear. It wasn't a very good conclusion, but much better than what we got. It seems most of the assets for that mission was finished, including the cutscenes (even though it says the cutscenes are 30% complete or something).
Video related, the lost mission itself.
There was going to be a chapter 3 called Peace, but that got cut also. I don't know if that's for the better or not as Kojima would have wasted even more money on an incomplete game if it came to be.
 
Don't know whether to blame Konami for being myopic dicks or blame Kojima for getting arrogant and wasted a lot of money, especially for the pointless use of Hollywood actors.

GeorgeDaMoose said:
Jesus that entire section of the game where you ride the truck with Skull while staring at him like some sort of aspergers kid without saying a fucking word. Who thought that was a good idea? I was laughing almost the entire time, Skullface is such a shit villain. And right after that giant cutscene...SUCH A LUST FOR REVENGE...WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO? Major...I'M BURNIN UUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPP. Holy God I couldn't stop laughing, the writing in this game is just unbelievably horrible during those couple of missions.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GWLEcJ_TyJghttps://youtube.com/watch?v=0xeGE_5kSI0
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John Titor said:
Don't know whether to blame Konami for being myopic dicks or blame Kojima for getting arrogant and wasted a lot of money, especially for the pointless use of Hollywood actors.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=31dsolM10ng
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Is it wrong that I feel Kojima is more at fault? Too me majority of the flaws felt like they were made by a person rather than a corporation. Issues such as Snake barely saying a word because muh self-insert seems much more like an "artistic choice" than something pushed by Konami. Maybe the planned content was scrapped by Konami due to budget issues, but can you really blame them when you consider how horribly the game is selling? I'm pretty sure MGS4 sold more than this game which is shocking to me when you consider the fact that MGSV is a multiplatform game (PS4, PS3, Xbox 360, Xbone, PC).
I could be wrong though, but I know I'm right about one thing

This is the TRUE improved version of WHOOOOOOOO, take your shit somewhere else:
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
Is it wrong that I feel Kojima is more at fault? Too me majority of the flaws felt like they were made by a person rather than a corporation. Issues such as Snake barely saying a word because muh self-insert seems much more like an "artistic choice" than something pushed by Konami. Maybe the planned content was scrapped by Konami due to budget issues, but can you really blame them when you consider how horribly the game is selling? I'm pretty sure MGS4 sold more than this game which is shocking to me when you consider the fact that MGSV is a multiplatform game (PS4, PS3, Xbox 360, Xbone, PC).
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I do think he's still responsible, especially those unnecessary retcons and answering questions nobody asked (The Pain is a guy who shoots bees at people, that's all the explanation we ever needed) and throwing money on celebrities and God knows what. At the same time, he usually has more attention to detail in the past which makes me think Konami didn't give him enough time to sort things out. On the other hand, what has Kojipro been doing for the past 4 years?

And so disappointed with the AI in this game. I just saw a guy accidentally run over someone and he blamed me for it!
 
John Titor said:
I do think he's still responsible, especially those unnecessary retcons and answering questions nobody asked (The Pain is a guy who shoots bees at people, that's all the explanation we ever needed) and throwing money on celebrities and God knows what. At the same time, he usually has more attention to detail in the past which makes me think Konami didn't give him enough time to sort things out. On the other hand, what has Kojipro been doing for the past 4 years?

And so disappointed with the AI in this game. I just saw a guy accidentally run over someone and he blamed me for it!
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Some of the retcons actually hurt my brain. Learning that the End was affected by nanomac-I mean PARASITES made his boss battle seem a little less special to me.
I'm not sure if hiring Kiefer was a particularly bad thing as I think he really played the role well (and better than Hayter ever could, but that's just my opinion). I think hiring Kiefer to play Snake though and then making Snake a fucking mute was possibly the worst decision I have ever seen when it comes to casting a celebrity.
I'm not sure whether his lack of attention to detail is his fault or Konami's. It's clear he wanted to do a LOT with MGSV so maybe that affected his usual neat eye for detail (I really miss knocked out soldiers not clipping through walls).
One thing I really do wonder about is what Kojima was planning to include in the game that was so taboo, he would have to leave the industry if it didn't work out? If you watched the Episode 51 cut mission, the one thing that really stands out is the Twin Towers at the end. Was Kojima planning to base one of his chapters around Liquid doing fucking 9/11 or something? I would actually love to see a game include 9/11 in it, but I don't know if Kojima would have been the right person to handle it considering how the cut mission hilariously ends.
 
Why does Motherbase feels so dead? I want to be able to go to the mess hall, meet my diamonds dog and have a good time. Talk to them (threatening them with a knife doesn't count) and found out more about them? Nope. All I can do, is punch them in the face. Over and over again.
 
Foltest said:
Why does Motherbase feels so dead? I want to be able to go to the mess hall, meet my diamonds dog and have a good time. Talk to them (threatening them with a knife doesn't count) and found out more about them? Nope. All I can do, is punch them in the face. Over and over again.
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Hell, there's no mock battle drills with your staff and the target practice missions suck compared to PW's. Do you want a repeat of the MSF incident, Miller?!
 
Foltest said:
Why does Motherbase feels so dead? I want to be able to go to the mess hall, meet my diamonds dog and have a good time. Talk to them (threatening them with a knife doesn't count) and found out more about them? Nope. All I can do, is punch them in the face. Over and over again.
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Also is it just me or is MB a complete bitch to get around?
You develop this huge base with total of 20 or so platforms (probably more, but I can't think of them all) and there really is no easy way to get around them all so raising staff morale is hard as hell. Besides that, you only really ever need to visit the main platforms so the other ones you develop are pointless to even explore.
I do like a lot of cutscenes that do take place on MB more, but yeah it should feel a lot more alive. I also wish I could beat Liquid's ass over and over again because he's actually relatively fun to fight.
 
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