Mega Rad Gun Thread

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WhoBusTank69 said:
The Ithaca Auto & Burglar was probably the last of its kind. There's some kind of poetic justice that they may be legal now that carjacking is once again a massive problem.
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As cool as sawed off shotguns are, do they have any actual utility for self-defense that isn’t already covered by pistols?
 
Seafarer said:
As cool as sawed off shotguns are, do they have any actual utility for self-defense that isn’t already covered by pistols?
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Yes. If you want something you can shoulder, have a short barrel (Try to round a hallway corner with a bird hunting gun and it won't work very well), and shoot with loads which can (depending on ammo type) be less likely to penetrate than handgun ammo. A pump action shot gun can run low velocity, light loads very reliably as compared to a PCC. Of course you are making a trade off between lethality and penetration risk but some people are ok with that.

Shockwave style is dumb though IMO. Needs a stock to be worth it
 
Romulus augustulus said:
Even with a cylinder bore your patterns will be smaller than a open hand at self defense distances.
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Nah. You are generally correct assuming normal shotgun and normal wads. Like I said, optimize for rate of fire and spread by making the correct ammo selection and a 12" barrel.

Here is boo-hick-nobody getting about 12" spread at 21ft using what appears to be out of the box 00 Buckshot.

 
ifunny pride world wide said:
If the NFA gets repealed I expect an apology from each and every nigger faggot that gave me a rainbow sticker when I made this prediction
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We’re never getting machine guns - repeating “shall not be infringed” like a religious mantra is not going to change the mind of normies including the majority of gun owners.

I don’t think FRT’s are going to last either. The pilpul that keeps them legally federally reminds me of the stuff Orthodox Jews do to use appliances on sabbath.

I might pick one up for a PS90 but I’m fully mentally prepared to have to register it at some point in the future.
 
Taser Confetti said:
We’re never getting machine guns - repeating “shall not be infringed” like a religious mantra is not going to change the mind of normies including the majority of gun owners.

I don’t think FRT’s are going to last either. The pilpul that keeps them legally federally reminds me of the stuff Orthodox Jews do to use appliances on sabbath.

I might pick one up for a PS90 but I’m fully mentally prepared to have to register it at some point in the future.
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FRTs have already been lawyered about so I don't know what the ATF can do at this point. They can't just declare them machine guns, they've already tried and lost in court.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
FRTs have already been lawyered about so I don't know what the ATF can do at this point. They can't just declare them machine guns, they've already tried and lost in court.
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BATFE is tasked with interpreting laws passed by a congress from when the Model T was still a practical vehicle.

I could absolutely see legislation passed specifically against FRT’s especially when some nutcase inevitably uses one like the Vegas shooter did with bump stocks. It’s going to be hard to convince normies that FRT’s aren’t machine guns. Especially when there’s already legal precedent to declare Glock Switches and lightning links ones.

Machine guns and FRT’s are not my hill to die on. I just want my suppressors and SBR’s.
 
Taser Confetti said:
BATFE is tasked with interpreting laws passed by a congress from when the Model T was still a practical vehicle.

I could absolutely see legislation passed specifically against FRT’s especially when some nutcase inevitably uses one like the Vegas shooter did with bump stocks. It’s going to be hard to convince normies that FRT’s aren’t machine guns. Especially when there’s already legal precedent to declare Glock Switches and lightning links ones.

Machine guns and FRT’s are not my hill to die on. I just want my suppressors and SBR’s.
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I don't think it passes though. it would be a democrat proposing it and it would be a HUGE wedge issue for the GOP to push on. If they couldn't pass the AWB after sandy hook they won't pass anything similar now. the political landscape has not changed enough for it to be a viable tack for them. They would have purple and red state democrats defecting on the vote.
 
Taser Confetti said:
Maybe you’re right. I’m still not gonna be surprised if FRT’s ultimately fail.

Between the inevitable mass shooting involving one and fudds who live to write letters to the ATF…
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This ATF also approved surplussing out 120,000 M-14s, guns shipped direct to your door and got wait times on SBR/SBS down to the absolute minimum.

When the dems get back in charge sometime in the future they can do fuck fuck games via ATF again but not right now.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
This ATF also approved surplussing out 120,000 M-14s, guns shipped direct to your door and got wait times on SBR/SBS down to the absolute minimum.
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Yeah, reversing the once a MG always a MG was a giant win. Shame we’ll never get FAMAS parts kits in this country that don’t cost the price of a used Hyundai.
 
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ifunny pride world wide said:
like what?
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IIRC many states(including red) have laws with wording along the lines of 'SBSs, SBRs, suppressors, MGs, etc are only legal as long as they are legally registered through the federal goverment'. If the NFA was repealed/thrown out, they would have to rush through laws to cover the now unregistered devices and who knows what dumb shit politicians would throw in.
 
likeacrackado said:
IIRC many states(including red) have laws with wording along the lines of 'SBSs, SBRs, suppressors, MGs, etc are only legal as long as they are legally registered through the federal goverment'. If the NFA was repealed/thrown out, they would have to rush through laws to cover the now unregistered devices and who knows what dumb shit politicians would throw in.
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That interesting. Do those laws make a distinction on the gun being registered versus the owner, if that makes sense? Because every gun that is bought from a manufacturer through a retailer is registered to somebody, who then could sell on the private market, etc.
 
PP Police said:
That interesting. Do those laws make a distinction on the gun being registered versus the owner, if that makes sense? Because every gun that is bought from a manufacturer through a retailer is registered to somebody, who then could sell on the private market, etc
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I'm not sure if I'm understanding your question exactly, as non-NFA guns aren't necessarily registered to anybody if they're owned in free states, but if I'm understanding correctly this seems like it would vary heavily by state.

In Maine, for example, machine guns are illegal except that "machine guns manufactured, acquired, transferred or possessed in accordance with the National Firearms Act, as amended" are exempt. That seems to imply that if you acquired a machine gun under the NFA and then the NFA ceased to exist, that machine gun would still be legal to possess. In Nevada on the other hand, there are restrictions on SBRs and SBSs, but not for people "to whom such a rifle or shotgun is registered with the United States Department of the Treasury". So there it seems like you would need a tax form with your name on it and might have trouble if the NFA ceased to exist. Then there are states where you just have to be in compliance with unspecified federal law. (This obviously isn't legal advice, just my quick reading of some state laws)

I haven't seen a list of the specific states where people are worried about an NFA repeal causing their NFA items to become illegal, but as the NFA loses effect (God willing) this is something that will probably need to be handled on a state-by-state basis. My main concern is that since the NFA provisions weren't struck down on a second amendment basis, the door is still open for states to keep NFA items restricted. If this goes through, blue-leaning states might rush to ban/register such items.
 
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