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The Dude said:
I have a Knight's Rifles .50 DISC inline muzzle loader. I dig the Walker Colts. In fact after modern semi-auto firearms the guns of the late-1800's are my favorites. My personal favorites of that era are the Sharps rifle, the Winchester 1873, 1876, 1886, 1892, and 1895, the Smith and Wesson No. 3 topbreaks especially the No. 3 Russian and Schofield, the Colt Thunderer and Lightning, and the Remington 1875. Virgil Earp carried an S&W No. 3 while he was Marshal of Tombstone, AZ and used it at the OK Corral gunfight. My favorite pistol calibers from that era are the .44-40 WCF which was the most widely used caliber both pistol and rifle, the .44 S&W Russian which is what the .44 Special and .44 Magnum are based on and was one of the most accurate calibers of that timeframe, the .45 S&W Schofield, and the ubiquitous .45 Colt. My favorite rifle calibers are the .45-70 Govt, the .45-110 Sharps, and the .405 Winchester which was one of Teddy Roosevelt's favorite calibers. He used it for bear, moose, and African big game including elephant. I plan on getting a pair of Uberti Smith and Wesson No. 3's either a pair of Schofields in .44-40 WCF or a pair of Russians in .45 Colt. The No. 3s were never chambered in .45 Colt because Colt wouldn't allow anyone to chamber their firearms in that caliber, but it's the most common and affordable "cowboy" caliber. I also plan on getting a new Winchester 1873 (Winchester brought them back last year) in either .45 Colt or .44-40 WCF, depending on which pistols I get, a Winchester 1886 in .45-70 Govt, a Winchester 1892 with large loop cocking lever in .44 Magnum, and an 1895 in .405 Winchester if I can find one. I will also be getting a Shiloh Sharps rifle in either .45-70 Govt or .45-110 Sharps. Shiloh makes the best Sharps rifle, even better than the originals. The rifle in Quigley Down Under was a custom Shiloh Sharps that Tom Selleck himself bought to be used in the movie and they had to hold filming for 1 1/2 years while they waited for their turn on the waiting list for the rifle to be made. The Shiloh's are truly custom rifles because you get to order the style, caliber, wood quality and finish, style of sights, barrel length, weight, and style, and a number of other personalized touches. They are pure works of art. Check out their website if you don't believe me. There are a few other companies that make Sharps-style rifles, but none of them are even in the same universe as the Sharps in terms of quality, craftsmanship, fit, finish...everything.
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Yeah I believe you. I want a Sharps carbine. I also want a LeMat 1861. There's just something about the idea of being able to theoretically load your firearms if you have access to charcoal, potassium nitrate, sulfur and some lead. (and knew WTF you were doing, of course.) It somewhat baffles me that black powder firearms aren't even legally considered "firearms" at all, and in most states (including the two i spend the most time in) you can buy them without any sort of FFL involvement whatsoever.I mean obviously i think that's awesome and great, but last time i checked, a .36 Navy could still end the lives of 6 people in the hands of a truly dangerous person. It's kind of like the reverse of the "the foregrip on your AR makes it more dangerous". "that looks like an old timey cowboy gun. I like cowboys. there's no way something that old looking could hurt anyone"
 
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Some JERK said:
Yeah I believe you. I want a Sharps carbine. I also want a LeMat 1861. There's just something about the idea of being able to theoretically load your firearms if you have access to charcoal, potassium nitrate, sulfur and some lead. (and knew WTF you were doing, of course.) It somewhat baffles me that black powder firearms aren't even legally considered "firearms" at all, and in most states (including the two i spend the most time in) you can buy them without any sort of FFL involvement whatsoever.I mean obviously i think that's awesome and great, but last time i checked, a .36 Navy could still end the lives of 6 people in the hands of a truly dangerous person. It's kind of like the reverse of the "the foregrip on your AR makes it more dangerous". "that looks like an old timey cowboy gun. I like cowboys. there's no way something that old looking could hurt anyone"
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Yeah. You can legally purchase black powder firearms, including cap and ball revolvers, online or from a catalog and have it shipped right to your house. No background check, no transfer though an FFL dealer...just pays your money and have it shipped. You can even purchase the powder, caps, and bullets and have them shipped in the same shipment as your firearm. Kinda crazy. And yeah, they may be ye olde timey but they can still kill a bastard DRT.
 
Well, seeing that the Saiga-12 may be out of stock everywhere, I'm looking at the possibility of buying a different autoloader shotgun if the Russia-Ukraine thing leads to a panic buying spree. Well, all right, it seems to be out of stock most places I look, but still.

I wonder if this Chinese clone, the Catamount Fury, is worth looking into? I don't mind doing some modification and converting for it to work with Saiga mags, some people have succeeded in even getting Saiga and Vepr drums to work.

Only major disadvantage is that it can't use steel shot in its default form, however, I'm going to do more research on it before doing anything final.

http://centerfiresystems.com/fury.aspx

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Black Sonichu said:
Well, seeing that the Saiga-12 may be out of stock everywhere, I'm looking at the possibility of buying a different autoloader shotgun if the Russia-Ukraine thing leads to a panic buying spree. Well, all right, it seems to be out of stock most places I look, but still.

I wonder if this Chinese clone, the Catamount Fury, is worth looking into? I don't mind doing some modification and converting for it to work with Saiga mags, some people have succeeded in even getting Saiga and Vepr drums to work.

Only major disadvantage is that it can't use steel shot in its default form, however, I'm going to do more research on it before doing anything final.

http://centerfiresystems.com/fury.aspx

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I'm planning on getting the VEPR-12. Its a Kalashnikov, but it has quite a few features that are an improvement over the Siaga like a built in optics rail and magazines that slide straight in/out instead of rocking them in. You can get them for about $999 and are already converted to the "tactical" layout with separate AK butt stock and pistol grip.
 
The Dude said:
I'm planning on getting the VEPR-12. Its a Kalashnikov, but it has quite a few features that are an improvement over the Siaga like a built in optics rail and magazines that slide straight in/out instead of rocking them in. You can get them for about $999 and are already converted to the "tactical" layout with separate AK butt stock and pistol grip.
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Sounds good to me, I may go for that instead, if I save a little more. I just hope the Ukraine thing doesn't affect prices or supplies. I doubt it, but you never know. I am not a fan of folding stocks, though, so I'm probably going to throw on a Romanian thumbhole or some other similar stock set. I'm not sure there's much for aftermarket stuff on the VEPR, which is the reason I'd give the Saiga an extra point in that category. However, a 25 round VEPR drum exists. AUGH YEAH
 
Well I just got my second gun in over a week. I bought a Ruger American Rimfire rifle in .22lr, just in case any more mink decide to fuck with Mrs. Dude's chickens.
 
I'm considering picking up a small firearm for conceal carry. I have been suggested the Bersa Thunder 380.

Any input or knowledge of this weapon?
 
Null said:
I'm considering picking up a small firearm for conceal carry. I have been suggested the Bersa Thunder 380.

Any input or knowledge of this weapon?
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If you're going to get a 380 then I suggest either a SIG Sauer, Walther, or the new GLOCK. I would personally suggest getting a full 9mm and something along the lines of a GLOCK 19 or Springfield XD.
 
The Dude said:
If you're going to get a 380 then I suggest either a SIG Sauer, Walther, or the new GLOCK. I would personally suggest getting a full 9mm and something along the lines of a GLOCK 19 or Springfield XD.
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I want something small enough to be comfortably carried on my person in general activity. I think a 9mm would either be too big or be too unwieldy as a smaller firearm for good aim with low recoil.
 
I've heard good things about the Bersa .380, although I've never fired it. They make a CCW model with the sights being very tiny

A .380 is a bit snappy, from what I've heard, so see if you can rent a gun from a gun range before settling on a pistol.
 
As in it's uncomfortable to shoot. I don't know if .380 is the same, but when I shoot .40 the muzzle of the gun seems to flip upward and the recoil feels weird.

Maybe the Dude can better explain it.
 
When someone says "snappy" in relation to firearms they are talking about the felt recoil of the firearm. The smaller the gun the more you feel the recoil because there is less grip for your hand, which means It's more difficult for you to control the recoil. Also the weight of the gun helps absorb the recoil.

The reason I suggested the GLOCK 19 is because It's big enough for you to get your whole hand on it, but it's small enough to be easily concealed. Being a 9mm it also offers better performance as a self defense round than the 380, It's cheaper to buy, and more available. It's also a very comfortable caliber for a novice shooter. The recoil is easily controlled and not uncomfortable at all. Very mild. 380, even though It's a smaller caliber (It's a 9mm, but the case is shorter) it is usually found in small framed pistols like the Bersa, Walther PPK, and so on. Being in a small frame like that means it "kicks" harder than, say, the GLOCK 19. There's much more to think about in a self defense weapon than just concealability. I'd be happy to discuss this more at length and help you make the right choice via PM or on Skype tonight if you wish Null. I like helping people with this stuff.
 
Null said:
I want something small enough to be comfortably carried on my person in general activity. I think a 9mm would either be too big or be too unwieldy as a smaller firearm for good aim with low recoil.
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Ruger LCR with .38 specials would fit that bill.
 
New pic of my AUG A3.


And I've decided on this for my 7.62x51mm rifle. It's a custom built US Made semi-auto variant of the HK11 LMG, specifically the G8 variant. It's made by a company called Michael's Machines. The owner is THE expert on Heckler and Kock roller-locked rifles like the HK G3/HK91, HK93, HK21, and HK11. It has just enough US made parts to be legal and the rest are H&K made. Those parts that are made in the US are actually made on original H&K machines and tooling, so everything on it is built to original German specifications.

Being based on a Light Machine Gun it has a quick change barrel and there are 2 barrel lengths for it, 18" and 21". This means I can set it up as a battle rifle with the 18" barrel and a red dot optic or low magnification scope like an EOTech or ACOG, or change it to a Designated Marksman Rifle by installing the 21" barrel, MSG90 precision trigger, and a high magnification scope. The German GSG9 group still uses the G8 variant of the HK11E, the main difference being the G8 has a fixed magwell instead of the removable magwell that facilitates a belt-feed mechanism to convert the HK11E to an HK21E. There is also a very reliable 50 round drum magazine that was introduced specifically for this rifle to facilitate better ammunition capacity for the suppressive fire roll without the weight and bulk of having a belt-feed.

I've seen both the real HK11 and the MM11 side-by-side at a local machine gun shoot four years ago and being able to compare the two right next to each other you cannot tell the two apart, that's how good Mike Ott's skill and attention to quality is.



 
Null said:
What do you mean by snappy?
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How big a guy are you and how experienced of a shooter? Are you recoil sensitive? Either way a pocket .38 isn't a bad choice, pocket 9's aren't bad either tough.
 
Null said:
I want something small enough to be comfortably carried on my person in general activity. I think a 9mm would either be too big or be too unwieldy as a smaller firearm for good aim with low recoil.
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I'm not a huge fan of pistols personally, but I've fired my friend's Sigma, which is a Smith and Wesson in 9mm. It's not unlike the Glock 9mm pistols and in fact S&W has a license to use some Glock technology in it. I'm a bigger guy, so recoil is not really an issue for me, but I didn't really have a problem making a relatively small group with it, or hitting a small self-resetting target. I've also fired his .380 (forgot what it was) and it was relatively easy for me to control. I'm probably a little more familiar with firearms in general than your average cheese eater, although my experience with pistols is somewhat limited.
 
I bought ten 42 round magazines for the AUG this week. I plan on buying five more of the 42s and ten more 30 round mags.

 
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