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Filtered by Tomino Kino. Many such cases.
Mecha anime & manga - Big robots. Other than Gundam.
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Trollblade69
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Speak like a person, not a fedora.
I'm not going to drop this show, I don't have any choice in the matter. But I'm not going to enjoy something just for the shock value of character deaths. Dunbine became a slog of one-dimensional angry people killing each other for extremely basic motivations, and I don't enjoy sitting through stuff like that just because it's homework for Super Robot Wars.
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Chill, dude. It's a joke about Chinese robot cartoons.
It just sounds like you don't enjoy Tomino though. Or at least his more pessimistic works. I personally really like that level of unease that Dunbine, Ideon and Z Gundam and V Gundam all have. There's a real sense of dread in them that really have me feeling that it'll all go to shit. Maybe check out his goofier stuff like King Gainer or Xabungle? Or stuff that's a bit more in the middle like L-Gaim.
Trollblade69
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I did watch and enjoyed King Gainer and Xabungle.
The issue with the pessimistic Tomino works is that they have a really bad habit of bland characters and preachy, dated moralizing. I have no idea how people can sit through the Adrastea/Lysithea stretch of Victory Gundam and not groan at the moral stance that letting a nuclear reactor explode is worse than leveling the entire world by steamroller.
And it's not like the lighthearted Tomino works are incapable of good drama. ZZ Gundam has some of the franchise's best episodes for that stuff, but people won't watch it because they're triggered by seeing slapstick in their commercial anime about transforming toys shooting laser beams at each othes.
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ZZ's slapstick has always really put Americans off in particular. There's a whole crowd who dip prior to Africa. And they're missing out since that's when stuff starts ramping up.
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The first half is a slog, but it does get better towards the end.
People always talk about how influental Ideon is, especially in regards to Evangelion, and that reminds me, there's supposedly all these crazy chapters of the Great Mazinger manga that Evangelion lifted almost ad verbatim but I've never even seen so much as an untranslated scan of these pages and I still wonder if somebody wasn't just making shit up.
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I can tell you that i was one of them, the whole comedy vibe at the start really put me off. For gundam i come for the warcrimes, mentally unhinged pilots, the gundams and Kamille Autistically slapping people.
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95% of weebcuckolds like Ideon for le dark proto-Eva movie (that's a total meme; Eva is much more similar to 0079 than Ideon), but the show itself is legitimately good. There's no sex stuff aside from the 14th episode, the characters are drawn respectably, and even the episodes before they leave Solo are quite engaging. There's very little filler; every character interaction serves a purpose, each episode has a solid story, and the overarching story for the dedicated fans is quite good as well. The battles with the individual Ideon vehicles are quite cool, and the Buff ships/mecha as well as the Solo Ship are well-designed.
Moon-Moon and Tigerbaum are the best episodes in UC Gundam outside CCA, F91 and 0079. Tomino shows are good because they have little filler; this unironically filters most weebs because weebs/speedwatchers can't understand any show that doesn't have a zillion internal monologues and expository sequences telling everything that will happen, and obvious self-insert characters. The moralizing isn't an issue; the characters are supposed to have irrational and extreme ideas.
People didn't dislike ZZ because of "slapstick". ZZ is disliked because Bright acts like an idiot (imagine Picard acting like a clueless old fool yelling at clouds for the sake of comedy in a serious show) and because it's highly sexual. Zeta's core plot is tantamount to VN loli moeslop like Clannad interspersed with action, but at least you can choose to see that as a new species fighting for survival, and only two of the female characters have shojo saucer eyes, unlike every new ZZ character.
Someone from /m/ has been translating the Ota mangas. I haven't read them since they allegedly have rape scenes, but you may be able to see it for yourself in the near future. The Eva influences nobody ever seems to mention are the SEELE monoliths being a ripoff of Macross's Alaska base/the Thunderbirds video phones, the underground NERV base and Tokyo-3 being a ripoff of Macross City, the shot of Eva breaking the phonebooth coming from Iczer-1, and Raideen having a red-haired character named Rei Asuka and the overarching plot involving Akira's mother, who was the princess of the ancient civilization that built Raideen, and ends up sacrificing herself to save the day (there are also lots of episodes exploring Akira's angst over his missing mother). You could also say Votoms influenced Eva because of its ending and because Ypsilon is similar to Kaworu, but Votoms is closer to Code Geass than Eva.
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I like Ideon, but I like Tomino characters yelling Tomino things at each other, so a character study of a bunch of Tomino characters doing Tomino things at each other as they realize the problems afoot is cool
also I like the zap rays, very cool like Vifam, and the actual fights have some great frame-by-frame shit like when some pilots blow up and you see their brains squirt out their heads
then a haro floats by lol
also I like the zap rays, very cool like Vifam, and the actual fights have some great frame-by-frame shit like when some pilots blow up and you see their brains squirt out their heads
then a haro floats by lol
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Cool, I hope they get around to Grendizer as well. I don't think that one was as influental as Great, but I still want to read the episode that supposedly deals with the Emperor of Darkness, the main baddie of Great whose fate was never addressed anywhere else.
Funny you should mention Raideen though, I've been in the middle of a rewatch, and the funny thing about that is the vibe shift from the first half to the second; the first one was apparently directed by Tomino himself, but the second half was directed by Tadao Nagahama, despite it's the first half that feels much more like his later Romantic Trilogy rather than the second. Maybe he just took inspiration from Tomino?
I had to scrub the fansubs myself because after /m/ dropped it, it was picked up by fucking ARR and they apparently can't fucking help themselves because I was able to learn that /m/ has taken the mickey of them in the past and why, all by just reading their own goddamn subs.
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tbf there's a few different things you get from ARR (and I'm not entirely sure there's only one party using the name)
there's one or two where it's crabsticks polished by somebody outside the group who understands some Japanese, some are just rips of HK bootleg DVD crabsticks, others are literally random subtitles from a completely unrelated thing
occasionally they'll drop stuff that otherwise isn't available online raw, so they sometimes hit "better than literally nothing"
there's one or two where it's crabsticks polished by somebody outside the group who understands some Japanese, some are just rips of HK bootleg DVD crabsticks, others are literally random subtitles from a completely unrelated thing
occasionally they'll drop stuff that otherwise isn't available online raw, so they sometimes hit "better than literally nothing"
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I've noticed. At least in case of Raideen, they clearly just used the subs from an Italian DVD and machine translated, considering how inconsistent they are with names, but with added "benefit" of incredibly juvenile jokes and language, like if someone just took the path of least resistance only to then use it to make passes at 4chan. I'm not sure if it's "better than nothing", at least watching them raw and only understanding some of the words takes me out of it so much. But it's pretty bad when TV-Nihon starts to feel like a better alternative.
Speaking of ARR subbed things, I could use a bit of advice; there is a near DVD quality set of raws for Danguard Ace out there, however the "official" fansubs that are on every torrent platform use source video that's half the resolution, and while I would like nothing more than just remux the subs to the higher quality video, the trouble with those is that they do this stupid thing where the OPs and EDs are included as separate files and not on the actual episodes themselves, so I need to figure out how to remux those into the video as chapters rather than alternate video tracks first.
I could swear I've done this before but I can't for my life remember how.
Speaking of ARR subbed things, I could use a bit of advice; there is a near DVD quality set of raws for Danguard Ace out there, however the "official" fansubs that are on every torrent platform use source video that's half the resolution, and while I would like nothing more than just remux the subs to the higher quality video, the trouble with those is that they do this stupid thing where the OPs and EDs are included as separate files and not on the actual episodes themselves, so I need to figure out how to remux those into the video as chapters rather than alternate video tracks first.
I could swear I've done this before but I can't for my life remember how.
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I actually liked the ZZ slapstick even when it was outright unwatchable cringe.
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Watched Ideon episode 14.
A composite Wakkein-Matilda character shows up and dies in a quarter of an episode, and this makes Cosmo so grief-stricken that he goes bonkers in the Ideon cutting a swath through the Buff Clan's fleet. While I liked the trauma Cosmo went through in the first half of the episode thinking he was going to die under bombardment, the second half is just way too fast-paced. This episode feels like the kind of stuff that should've been spread out over half a dozen episodes, not mushed up into one.
Stuff like this really makes me appreciate how Gundam's writers and Yas had the wisdom to rein Tomino's habits in. Garma wouldn't have been such an effective character if he only lasted to the end of episode 6 and if Icelina didn't exist, and Matilda wouldn't have been a character worth caring about if her only appearance was in episode 24 and if Woody didn't exist.
A composite Wakkein-Matilda character shows up and dies in a quarter of an episode, and this makes Cosmo so grief-stricken that he goes bonkers in the Ideon cutting a swath through the Buff Clan's fleet. While I liked the trauma Cosmo went through in the first half of the episode thinking he was going to die under bombardment, the second half is just way too fast-paced. This episode feels like the kind of stuff that should've been spread out over half a dozen episodes, not mushed up into one.
Stuff like this really makes me appreciate how Gundam's writers and Yas had the wisdom to rein Tomino's habits in. Garma wouldn't have been such an effective character if he only lasted to the end of episode 6 and if Icelina didn't exist, and Matilda wouldn't have been a character worth caring about if her only appearance was in episode 24 and if Woody didn't exist.
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and how would the SDs have the meme about WOODY DESU
Trollblade69
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Episode 15:
Kasha: "How come you were talking to Karala earlier?"
Cosmo: "Because I love her!"
Well that's random and out of nowhere. Also either they keep going back and forth on what to call the Ideon components - sometimes it's Sol-whatever, othertimes it's Ideo-whatever. Otherwise this is an extremely wheel-spinning episode with a bizarre message about making Karala into the crew's punching bag to foster unity through xenophobia.
Kasha: "How come you were talking to Karala earlier?"
Cosmo: "Because I love her!"
Well that's random and out of nowhere. Also either they keep going back and forth on what to call the Ideon components - sometimes it's Sol-whatever, othertimes it's Ideo-whatever. Otherwise this is an extremely wheel-spinning episode with a bizarre message about making Karala into the crew's punching bag to foster unity through xenophobia.
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I can't believe Demonbane is literally just VN GaoGaiGar its amazing. It's also a neat departure from Muramasa which was a lot more real robot than Demonbane's super robot, though I still think Muramasa will have Demonbane beat on fights, those were fantastic.
There's even a guy who kind of looks like Pizza/Soldato J
There's even a guy who kind of looks like Pizza/Soldato J
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Hasn't Ota Grendizer been translated for years? I know I read it.
The Tomino half has really cool action scenes. I haven't seen Combattler so I can't compare it to Raideen, but the vibe shift seemed to be from "tight episodic plots" to "lots of melodrama and rule of cool". Raideen is a great show; somehow despite being a super robot show it's just as good as (if not better than) most real robot shows. I particularly enjoyed how the Demon Empire rebuilt their bioship in the second half and how each of their plans had a logical progression and improved from past mistakes.
I think ARR MTLd the Italian dub for Raideen, so those episodes probably need to be retranslated from the ground up. You should put your scrubs on Nyaa if you retranslated them.
Spreading that out over 6 episodes would have been way too slow, and it would have missed the whole point about how this war is caused by impulsive, drastic, and decisive actions. I have no idea how people say Ideon is slow-paced when it has these kinds of episodes.
How is Demonbane similar to Gaogaigar aside from monsters of the week and overpowered mecha? I haven't seen Demonbane outside the OVA, but any similarities between the two are probably generic super robot/Sentai tropes.
Trollblade69
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17 episodes into Ideon. It's amusing how they're using monkey cages as their brig. Otherwise these two episodes are pretty much filler as the good guys are only starting to figure out that the Ideon reacts to human will in some way.
Trollblade69
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Episode 20:
"Meteors fell on Earth two years ago! The first one fell on New York."
Okay, how much of this show is recycled from the Gunboy concepts? Apparently that was meant to be about a family of refugees traveling another galaxy, too.
"Meteors fell on Earth two years ago! The first one fell on New York."
Okay, how much of this show is recycled from the Gunboy concepts? Apparently that was meant to be about a family of refugees traveling another galaxy, too.