Math Homework Can End Up Doing More Harm Than Good, Study Shows

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Giving pupils math homework can sometimes do more harm than good, according to a new study – particularly when the tasks involved in the work are too complex for kids to complete even with the help of their parents.

The researchers, from the University of South Australia and St Francis Xavier University in Canada, interviewed eight Canadian families, asking questions about their experiences with mathematics homework and its effects on the family.

All the families had a child in grade 3, typically aged 8 or 9, the age at which the first standardized math tests are introduced in the area where the survey was conducted. Overall, math was talked about as a subject that wasn't liked, and that involved too much extra work.

"Homework has long been accepted as a practice that reinforces children's learning and improves academic success," says Lisa O'Keeffe, a senior lecturer in mathematics education at the University of South Australia.

"But when it is too complex for a student to complete even with parent support, it raises the question as to why it was set as a homework task in the first place."

The issues identified by the study included homework being too difficult – even with parental help – as well as the work pushing back bedtimes, crossing over into family time, and causing feelings of inadequacy and frustration.

As with many subjects, approaches to teaching and learning mathematics can change over time. Parents who, as children, had been taught how to tackle problems in a different way to their kids was another frustration noted by the researchers.

As with many subjects, approaches to teaching and learning mathematics can change over time. Parents who, as children, had been taught how to tackle problems in a different way to their kids was another frustration noted by the researchers.

"Like many things, mathematics teaching has evolved over time," says O'Keeffe. "But when parents realize that their tried-and-true methods are different to those which their children are learning, it can be hard to adapt, and this can add undue pressure."

This can lead to "negativity across generations", the researchers say. Mothers in the study tended to be mostly responsible for helping with the homework – and when they also find the assignments tough, that can reinforce negative stereotypes about mathematics not being a subject in which girls "naturally excel", according to the study authors.

These negative stereotypes can have lasting impacts on their grades and career aspirations, other studies show.

Of course, the coronavirus pandemic is still fresh in everyone's minds – a time when children were often asked to study at home, and parents often had to help out when it came to completing assignments.

While this study uses a small sample of participants, the researchers say its findings match common narratives in education. They want to see more done to make sure math homework is set in an appropriate way, and that it doesn't end up putting youngsters off the subject at an early age.

"The last thing teachers want to do is disadvantage girls in developing potentially strong mathematical identities," says study author Sarah McDonald, an education lecturer at the University of South Australia. So "we need a greater understanding of homework policies and expectations."

Homework is often thought to have non-academic benefits, such as fostering independence and developing organisational skills and self-discipline, McDonald adds, although the family experiences captured in their study don't necessarily back that up.
 
If you're an adult and you can't figure out math designed for an 8yr old you should unironically kill yourself
I'm a long ways out of school with no kids but my mom is a teacher and she showed me some what should have been very simple math problems that I was able to get the correct answers to without any real trouble, but in basically every math class past sixth grade that I ever took just getting the answer wasn't enough to get full credit. You had to show your work (which also counted for partial credit even if you ultimately got the wrong answer) which they're now requiring the kids to do in elementary, and you can't just show a way to get the correct answer, you have to go through the retarded common core methodology which for the life of me I legitimately could not figure out because that shit doesn't make any sense

I'm not amazing at math by any stretch but I took all the advanced classes in my high school and honors calc in college (engineering dropout) so I should be able to handle shit for fifth graders but it made me ragequit
 
after like 20 problems I either get the concept or I don't, too much math homework is just bullshit busywork
This and interest in the subject are the biggest factors in actually learning. You can spend every waking hour on a subject, if you hate it or simply couldn't care less about it, you will forget it by morning. Homework is just a way for the school to monopolize your time when you are not physically there.
 
The researchers, from the University of South Australia and St Francis Xavier University in Canada, interviewed eight Canadian families
EIGHT FUCKIN FAMILIES
Journoshits should honestly be held criminally liable for being such faggots and reporting shit that IS NOT NEWS like it needs to be written down for the generations to come.
 
This article absolutely stinks of PoC problems so we should hold everyone back.

Not all students have the privilege of blah blah blah


Yes by all means, turn everyone's kids into full on retards just so your pet joggers don't have to feel bad about falling behind.

Maybe if they taught Drug Dealing 101 then the joggers would actually show up?

"If you sell Tyrone 4 ounces of crack for 6 dollars and Tyrones robs Askeshia for 19 dollars how many times can you sell crack to him before he OD's and dies?" "Show your work, use Ebonics for extra credit"

No student left behind destroyed a whole generation of bright students of all races who were forced to put up with slow in the minds in the classroom because God forbid we allow some dullard to feel bad about themselves.

Death of the West 101
 
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You know I think this article does have a good point about excessive and complex homework, specifically math homework.

Looking back at my time in school I think the most bitter, jaded and downright sadistic teachers I had were math teachers. Followed in close second place by all my chemistry teachers.

Like I kinda get why - imagine having an advanced mathematics degree, you dedicated how many fuckin years of your life to advanced graduate research hoping your ass would be getting a chief research scientist position, or at least a tenure track position at an Ivy league or a UC school, but you just didn't make the cut to the big leagues and now here you fuckin are teaching public school to a bunch of snotnosed room-temperature IQ little shits who don't give a fuck about anything else other than maybe copping a feel of some boob at the back of the schoolbus later.

I bet some of them are like Walter White and have peers they went to grad school with who are now multi-millionaires, and they seethe with rage and jealousy over it. But their lives are an endless groundhog day of being disrespected by neanderthal parents, their crotchspawn, and cucked-out school administrators. And then they go back home to their hovel with their $40k per year public schoolteacher salary for their trouble.

Hey, I would sure as shit wanna take out my bitter depression on the little shitsticks I have to teach too, and what better way than by loading them up with the absolute most droll busywork you can muster - "Oh it's friday? Well guess what you little fucksocks I need problems 3 through 50 done by Monday and also fuck you! I have a fucking masters degree and $80,000 of debt and this life is all I got out of it so you and your life and your weekend can go eat shit."

Hell - worth pointing out that Uncle Ted started as a college math professor...
 
Yeah that's my favorite scene in HBO's The Wire: 'lil whatshisname can't get the numbers right on his math tests for school but put it in the context of slingin H on the corner and he's got it all straight first try.
Gotta go with TPB on this one:
 
You know I think this article does have a good point about excessive and complex homework, specifically math homework.

Looking back at my time in school I think the most bitter, jaded and downright sadistic teachers I had were math teachers. Followed in close second place by all my chemistry teachers.

Like I kinda get why - imagine having an advanced mathematics degree, you dedicated how many fuckin years of your life to advanced graduate research hoping your ass would be getting a chief research scientist position, or at least a tenure track position at an Ivy league or a UC school, but you just didn't make the cut to the big leagues and now here you fuckin are teaching public school to a bunch of snotnosed room-temperature IQ little shits who don't give a fuck about anything else other than maybe copping a feel of some boob at the back of the schoolbus later.

I bet some of them are like Walter White and have peers they went to grad school with who are now multi-millionaires, and they seethe with rage and jealousy over it. But their lives are an endless groundhog day of being disrespected by neanderthal parents, their crotchspawn, and cucked-out school administrators. And then they go back home to their hovel with their $40k per year public schoolteacher salary for their trouble.

Hey, I would sure as shit wanna take out my bitter depression on the little shitsticks I have to teach too, and what better way than by loading them up with the absolute most droll busywork you can muster - "Oh it's friday? Well guess what you little fucksocks I need problems 3 through 50 done by Monday and also fuck you! I have a fucking masters degree and $80,000 of debt and this life is all I got out of it so you and your life and your weekend can go eat shit."

Hell - worth pointing out that Uncle Ted started as a college math professor...
Totally off topic but this brings up a take about guidance counselors - none of those assholes ever gave me useful advice but I listened to them because it wasn’t like I knew better. In retrospect - you ended up as a high school guidance counselor - what the fuck do you know about the real world?
 
"Homework has long been accepted as a practice that reinforces children's learning and improves academic success," says Lisa O'Keeffe, a senior lecturer in mathematics education at the University of South Australia.
Homework is often thought to have non-academic benefits, such as fostering independence and developing organisational skills and self-discipline, McDonald adds, although the family experiences captured in their study don't necessarily back that up.
If there's one thing that fucking drove me nuts in school, is being told that homework helps you learn, meanwhile I'm getting 100% on classwork and tests, but I need to do the homework, because the schoolboard or whoever decided that homework is weighted more than everything else. So if I want to get a good grade, I need to do shit that wastes my fucking time homework. Homework should be for the kids who need assistance, to grade if they've advanced over the course of the lessons if you're going to implement it; at least that's what I would say, but anyone can get on their phone and go to solvemyhomeworkdotcom or whatever and get an answer. But even then I have to argue against myself, because if you're getting it wrong, you probably need a learned person to assist you on where you're making mistakes; saying "here's a work sheet, figure it out at your house" isn't going to fucking work, because if they don't know, they don't fucking know. The only real problem I have about this article is these kids are apparently in grade 3, how the fuck do you get old enough to have kids and not be able to do grade 3 math. I don't know how it is now, but back in my day, third grade was learning multiplication, LEARNING MULTIPLICATION, and LEARNING MULTIPLICATION ended with us getting up to a three-digit number multiplied by a two-digit number; and the penultimate lesson was if the numbers are bigger, you just do the steps until you multiply all of the top numbers by every bottom number. And guess what, that fucking carried me all the way through a Bachelor's Degree with absolutely zero fucking issue.

The worst part is, conventional teaching says these kids are ruined for life. Believe it or not, those children growth people and academics have determined that for a kid to be competent in life, they should be able to grasp certain aspects in school by a certain age; and if they don't, 90%+ of them never catch up. Most likely, these kids will never be able to make change at McDonald's without the machine telling them what the cost of the food minus what the customer handed them is.
 
If the kid can't do the math homework assigned if anything its proof that the homework should be assigned because obviously they need more practice

This is just showing teachers are fucking idiots
Teachers are just paid employees if they were really smart you think they would be teachers?
 
Its worth mentioning that this is a major SJW university and has a long history of teaching stupid identity politics shit in classes. So this isn't surprising

St. FX is a tiny Canadian Maritime University with an enrollment of 4k in a tiny rural Nova Scotia town of 5k, 100 miles from Halifax, the capital.

A collaboration with a university in South Australia is strange given it's literally the other side of the world. And according to the write-up, they didn't survey Australians at all.

There's lots of talk about POCs in the comments. But the "eight" families they studied would've presumably been white if they were sampled locally.

Nova Scotia is/was pretty white, especially rurally.

There was a historic black district/population in Halifax dating back to the American Revolutionary War and British loyalists that came north after independence.

But I don't think there are/were many pre-clown world POCs in Antigonish where the uni is located.

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St. FX is a tiny Canadian Maritime University with an enrollment of 4k in a tiny rural Nova Scotia town of 5k, 100 miles from Halifax, the capital.

A collaboration with a university in South Australia is strange given ite literally the other side of the world. And according to the write-up, they didn't survey Australians at all.

There's lots of talk about POCs in the comments. But the "eight" families they studied would've presumably been white if they were sampled locally.

Nova Scotia is/was pretty white, especially rurally.

There was a historic black district/population in Halifax dating back to the American Revolutionary War and British loyalists that came north after independence.

But I don't think there are/were many pre-clown world POCs in Antigonish where the uni is located.
Nova scotia used to be pretty white, immigration has gone through the roof there since the mid 2000s. Where BC has lots of asians and indians, nova scotia has lots of middle easterners. Especially lebanese and a quickly increasing muslim population. Lived there for years. Go into any major store at night and 2/3 of the customers were arabs. Small black population, moderate indian population and not a particularly large asian population. If you ever find yourself there avoid the chinese food like the plague, its fucking awful. I wouldn't be surprised to find out at least half of the sample group was middle eastern or indian and the rest were white liberals, probably women
 
Math homework caused me so much stress. I ended up with piles of undone homework and they just gave up on me ever handing it in. What did me in was long division. You had to show the work even if you already worked out the answer. I had trouble with the method and got marked wrong a lot. It was really difficult to remember how it was supposed to look. I liked elementary algebra and plotting on a grid. I made some headway with quadratic equations. But not when it got too complicated. Overall I was surprised I could do it at all. Some kids are just better at English and other literary subjects. Of course then you have the kids that can't read or remember a single historical fact without fudging it up. It's too bad that there's really no time or money to tailor a student's education to their strongest points early on to ensure better success in the future.

If you're an adult and you can't figure out math designed for an 8yr old you should unironically kill yourself

They usually was the work done a certain way or it's "wrong". And the methods have changed over the decades. It doesn't matter if the answer is 12. Did you write it out correctly? No? Red mark for you!

I always felt showing the work was kind of unfair because it meant that you couldn't work things out your way. Sure it shows that you weren't using a calculator at home for the most part. But for some kids getting the work right isn't just rote memory. If you are bad at math and dread doing it it's very easy to get mixed up. That's why I was a poor test taker. I got stressed and would be unable to do the problem in the time limit.
 
When I was that age long division was the thing that was fucking me up hard, then I just thought of it in fractions then I got the hang of it but then I started to get points docked off because it wasn't the way that the teacher taught. Sometimes I would just do multiplication until I got the dividend but that took way too long and led to me failing tests.

I would like to assume common core being gay but it's Canada so those kids are probably just jeets and middle eastern vermin and I'm only aware of common core being a Burgerstan thing. The icing on the cake for this article would be if the families were foreign imports. Why? You really expect people who can't count past 100 to understand 4÷2(3+3)?
 
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