MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.

Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)

 

[An Ounce of Vagina]

I am actually voting for Trump and here is why:

I have been a Muslim my whole life in the US, as the child of Turkish immigrants. I have been to many mosques in that time, and I will tell you, the very people who want to destroy this country are already here. Salafists and Wahhabis are here in spades, and reforming immigration now will do nothing about it. My family are Gulenists, and we are the flip side of the coin. We advocate for modern education and inter-faith dialogue, and even we are shunned by the local Muslim community wherever we go. (With the exception of Turkish-American communities).

You may say "oh, you are simply over-reacting, there is no way it can be that bad!" I challenge you to go to a mosque on a Friday for jummah prayer, and to listen to the chutbah. Hang around a bit afterwords and pretend to pray, listen to the conversations they have. The truth is, we are all in some serious danger.

The problem isn't that extremists are coming here, the problem is we take in people from impoverished nations with little to no education who are susceptible to becoming radicalized.

We need bold, and fast action now, and no politician will ever provide that. Trump may not be perfect, but he sees the problem, and is most definitely not a politician. It isn't islamophobic to say you don't want to be murdered by salafists in order to virtue signal.

Even if what you say is true that doesn't necessarily mean the US is about to be overrun by ISIS.

I'd wager that most of that talk you hear in the mosques is just that, empty talk. If you went to some of the more right-leaning churches you'd hear much the same only with Jesus sprinkled in.

Muslims in the US are pretty much under a microscope at all times. If I had to guess even the most hardcore mosque knows that if they actually tried anything beyond talk they would be crushed like bugs.

Now some argue that maybe in the future Muslims will reproduce at such a rate as to become a dominant political force and impose Sharia on all of us/take over the country. But this idea has several things wrong with it.

For one, pretty much all statistics will tell you that while still higher than some others the Muslim birth rate in the west is DECREASING. See, it turns out as women get more options than just stay-at-home mom and have access to contraception they have fewer kids, just like every other group in the west. Add to that Muslims being only about 6 million in the US and the chance of a mass Muslim uprising or taking over through politics is slim to none.

Next, the specter of the future Muslim takeover assumes that not only will these future Muslims have no loyalty to the country they were born in and have lived in (and where their friends and family live), but that they will happily exchange their lives in a modern first-world nation for the very things their parents and grandparents fled their homelands to get away from and they have likely been raised on horror stories of, and will do so in such numbers (which they won't have, see above) to make a difference.

Finally, and most importantly of all, it assumes that Muslims in the US are a hivemind. That there are no significant differences among Muslims and that all Muslims are in perfect agreement at all times. So of course if a few start an armed revolt or try to impose Sharia all Muslims will suddenly drop everything and rush to help them. But no group of people is like that. As your post proves there are very significant differences among Muslims about the role of religion in government (among many other things). Even in the very unlikely event a revolt broke out or someone tried to force Sharia on the country it's nonsensical to assume that all other Muslims would go "Cool Bro, were do I sign up?"

This has the same logical flaws as the arguments at the start of the last century that Catholics secretly hated America and wanted to install the Pope as overlord. It is just trying to rationalize "These people look/act/pray differently than I do and that scares me. I want them gone." by painting these newcomers as a dire threat, an enemy within that's out to get you (and I mean that in the general sense of the word, not you personally Faggot Tree) so you don't have to face up to the fact that you hate and fear that which is unfamiliar.

 

[MrCKMongler had cybersex with ADF lol]

Even if what you say is true that doesn't necessarily mean the US is about to be overrun by ISIS.

I'd wager that most of that talk you hear in the mosques is just that, empty talk. If you went to some of the more right-leaning churches you'd hear much the same only with Jesus sprinkled in.

Muslims in the US are pretty much under a microscope at all times. If I had to guess even the most hardcore mosque knows that if they actually tried anything beyond talk they would be crushed like bugs.

Now some argue that maybe in the future Muslims will reproduce at such a rate as to become a dominant political force and impose Sharia on all of us/take over the country. But this idea has several things wrong with it.

For one, pretty much all statistics will tell you that while still higher than some others the Muslim birth rate in the west is DECREASING. See, it turns out as women get more options than just stay-at-home mom and have access to contraception they have fewer kids, just like every other group in the west. Add to that Muslims being only about 6 million in the US and the chance of a mass Muslim uprising or taking over through politics is slim to none.

Next, the specter of the future Muslim takeover assumes that not only will these future Muslims have no loyalty to the country they were born in and have lived in (and where their friends and family live), but that they will happily exchange their lives in a modern first-world nation for the very things their parents and grandparents fled their homelands to get away from and they have likely been raised on horror stories of, and will do so in such numbers (which they won't have, see above) to make a difference.

Finally, and most importantly of all, it assumes that Muslims in the US are a hivemind. That there are no significant differences among Muslims and that all Muslims are in perfect agreement at all times. So of course if a few start an armed revolt or try to impose Sharia all Muslims will suddenly drop everything and rush to help them. But no group of people is like that. As your post proves there are very significant differences among Muslims about the role of religion in government (among many other things). Even in the very unlikely event a revolt broke out or someone tried to force Sharia on the country it's nonsensical to assume that all other Muslims would go "Cool Bro, were do I sign up?"

This has the same logical flaws as the arguments at the start of the last century that Catholics secretly hated America and wanted to install the Pope as overlord. It is just trying to rationalize "These people look/act/pray differently than I do and that scares me. I want them gone." by painting these newcomers as a dire threat, an enemy within that's out to get you (and I mean that in the general sense of the word, not you personally Faggot Tree) so you don't have to face up to the fact that you hate and fear that which is unfamiliar.

It takes one man with a gun, a knife, a car, a propane tank, not a mosque to kill people. I am telling you the rhetoric is there, and idiots are acting on it.

this isn't some hypothetical what if. These people want you, and to a lesser extent, me, dead.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

If he didn't intend it that way than that's the message everybody got and therefore the only one that matters.

I agree with this from a practical standpoint. Obviously, no matter what he meant the damage is done and people have taken it the way they did. I doubt however that anyone was suddenly swayed to kill Hillary Clinton. Anyone that crazy would have done it anyway. But yes, he certainly has upset many. Woe be upon him, I suppose.

Like, c'mon. What the fuck are they talking about here? Their candidate very obviously just endorsed political violence.

He made, at worst, a joke in very poor taste. Certainly didn't read like an endorsement to me, in any case. This might be a matter of opinion. I might be the one person in the entire world who doesn't see it this way. Perhaps if he said "you" instead of "the" when referring to "second amendment people"? Like he was addressing certain people in the crowd? I don't know. It appears like a circus of overreaction to me. Really, I think the only people who could reasonably be offended are supporters of the Second Amendment- who may not take lightly to his trivializing of the right to bear arms.

When that lunatic shot Giffords everybody threw a hissy fit over Sarah Palin's whole crosshairs map for a reason, because people are fucking crazy and if they can interpret your rhetoric to mean encouraging something horrific they will.

That situation, though, was ridiculous. A crosshair on a map did not push you over the edge or cause you to have some new horrific interpretation of your "dear leader's will". Besides, no politician could say anything of value if they were limited by how people with things like schizophrenia might interpret their rhetoric. You could interpret Bernie Sanders "socialist revolution" as an encouragement to overthrow the government and slaughter the bourgeoisie, if you were completely retarded. People act like the very mentioning of guns is a dangerous juncture at which every moral individual must make the instinctive choice to react with horror and revulsion lest they become a Nazi perpetrating the Second Coming of the Holocaust- which to hear the American Left these days, is apparently soon to be upon us all. Because Donald Trump does things like joke about gun owners.

All the stupid shit he does, and this is a controversy. I get that in politics everything is "fair game" but sometimes the fruit hangs a little low.

 

[An Ounce of Vagina]

It takes one man with a gun, a knife, a car, a propane tank, not a mosque to kill people. I am telling you the rhetoric is there, and idiots are acting on it.

this isn't some hypothetical what if. These people want you, and to a lesser extent, me, dead.

Fair enough. But we have always had such people in this country, religiously-motivated violence isn't unique to Muslims. I'm statistically much, much more likely to be killed by a Christian just by shear numbers alone.

 

[Without A Gout]

So in the last few days I've learned that the next POTUS is either potentially incompetent to do the job or potentially medically incompetent to do the job. Sounds like a great future for all of us.

 

[MrCKMongler had cybersex with ADF lol]

Fair enough. But we have always had such people in this country, religiously-motivated violence isn't unique to Muslims.

true, but such a large group is pretty unique to salafis, along with foreign funding, and a crazy effective propaganda machine.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

I agree with this from a practical standpoint. Obviously, no matter what he meant the damage is done and people have taken it the way they did. I doubt however that anyone was suddenly swayed to kill Hillary Clinton. Anyone that crazy would have done it anyway. But yes, he certainly has upset many. Woe be upon him, I suppose.



He made, at worst, a joke in very poor taste. Certainly didn't read like an endorsement to me, in any case. This might be a matter of opinion. I might be the one person in the entire world who doesn't see it this way. Perhaps if he said "you" instead of "the" when referring to "second amendment people"? Like he was addressing certain people in the crowd? I don't know. It appears like a circus of overreaction to me. Really, I think the only people who could reasonably be offended are supporters of the Second Amendment- who may not take lightly to his trivializing of the right to bear arms.



That situation, though, was ridiculous. A crosshair on a map did not push you over the edge or cause you to have some new horrific interpretation of your "dear leader's will". Besides, no politician could say anything of value if they were limited by how people with things like schizophrenia might interpret their rhetoric. You could interpret Bernie Sanders "socialist revolution" as an encouragement to overthrow the government and slaughter the bourgeoisie, if you were completely exceptional. People act like the very mentioning of guns is a dangerous juncture at which every moral individual must make the instinctive choice to react with horror and revulsion lest they become a Nazi perpetrating the Second Coming of the Holocaust- which to hear the American Left these days, is apparently soon to be upon us all. Because Donald Trump does things like joke about gun owners.

All the stupid shit he does, and this is a controversy. I get that in politics everything is "fair game" but sometimes the fruit hangs a little low.

You have to take Trump's statement in context with other things he's been saying recently. When the man talks about Clinton he isn't attacking her policies really. He's attacking her. He's been saying over and over again that there's some sort of conspiracy headed by her to rig the election against him. He's thrown around the idea that Scalia was murdered and that the media and financial establishment is somehow under the thumb of the Clinton campaign. If one is to try to fit all of his statements into a coherent narrative (a Herculean task frankly) then this is what you get: Clinton is an almost satanic creature (not person, creature) who is somehow controlling the entirety of US politics and discourse as well as the economy either for the sake of her own personal enrichment or out of sheer malice and hatred of Americans (and especially their guns!). In Trump's view Clinton is not a political candidate. She is a threat to all human life and must be exterminated. If he loses it is because she uses her clearly limitless control of US politics to commit electoral fraud.

This kind of paranoid, dehumanizing, and conspiratorial thinking has violence as its only logical end point. Trump is operating off the principle that democracy doesn't really exist (unless he wins of course). That's a dangerous idea to spread around in a society with as many armed militias as this one. That he then comes out, after months of getting criticized for this increasingly batshit rhetoric, and throws out the possibility of people assassinating her as if it isn't that big of a deal, should scare the shit out of people. And just so we're aware of this, this kind of bullshit is taking root in people's heads. Go look up videos of Trump rallies. "Lock her up" is one thing, but recently it's escalated to "hang the bitch" and shit like that. People don't just want to vote Trump into office, they want to legitimately kill Clinton.

When we start making light of political violence, that's when democracy has failed entirely. At that point discourse is an impossibility. There's only extermination and Darwinian violence. There's no rationally engaging with people who consider you pure evil and refuse to listen to any point of view that doesn't confirm their prejudices. That's why people saw Palin's stupid map and were disturbed by it in light of what happened to Giffords. And it's why people are rightfully disturbed by this shit also.

 

[DZ 305]

It takes one man with a gun, a knife, a car, a propane tank, not a mosque to kill people. I am telling you the rhetoric is there, and idiots are acting on it.

this isn't some hypothetical what if. These people want you, and to a lesser extent, me, dead.

Somebody has and will always want us dead. The odds of you or me dying in a terror attack hasn't gotten better or worse despite the mountain of money burnt, and civil liberties srtipped away. More people die in wreeks than in a terror attack.
I'm not saying this to dismiss your concerns or talk down to you, trust me. But we can't live in constant fear and think people like Trump are our salvation from Salafist domination. Muslim Americans have been the eyes and ears for potential threats in their community.
Simply freezing immigration is not viable in the long term, and sure as hell would cripple commerce on an international level. And even if Trump gets in and puts that stupid fucking wall up, we still have one of the longest unsecured borders in the world, neighboring a country set to resettle 25,000 Syrians, but no talk about fully securing the northern border, but plenty of talk about sending the less than 10,000 people back. The US anti-terror machine isn't some joke of handholding and warm milk. Vetting isn't some Micky Mouse operation, we drag every possible fucker in for a Syrian. The State Department works with the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center, the Department of Defense and Homeland Security. A DHS officer conducts in-person interviews with every applicant. Info such as fingerprints are collected and matched against criminal databases. Biographical information such as past visa applications are also examined.
We should be cautious, of course. We cannot reasonabily expect to let every single refugee from Syria (5 million, I think), and we cannot pretend they could not possibly be freeloaders, rapists or thugs but that is the caveat of free will.
Even the Jerrys have been barring undocumented refugees from entering at their own borders and hell, they seem to be learning patterns, because they just stopped a terror attack.
And even if we stopped them all from entering, and essentially turned ourselves into an island, the specter of terrorism would still sneak in through the internet and telecommunications. Where else did the Tsarnaev brothers or McViegh learned how to make their tools of terror? I know we can protect our people and our way of life from Salafists and jihadists without dismantling our humanity and the foundations of our Republic.

 

[MrCKMongler had cybersex with ADF lol]

Somebody has and will always want us dead. The odds of you or me dying in a terror attack hasn't gotten better or worse despite the mountain of money burnt, and civil liberties srtipped away. More people die in wreeks than in a terror attack.
I'm not saying this to dismiss your concerns or talk down to you, trust me. But we can't live in constant fear and think people like Trump are our salvation from Salafist domination. Muslim Americans have been the eyes and ears for potential threats in their community.
Simply freezing immigration is not viable in the long term, and sure as hell would cripple commerce on an international level. And even if Trump gets in and puts that stupid fucking wall up, we still have one of the longest unsecured borders in the world, neighboring a country set to resettle 25,000 Syrians, but no talk about fully securing the northern border, but plenty of talk about sending the less than 10,000 people back. The US anti-terror machine isn't some joke of handholding and warm milk. Vetting isn't some Micky Mouse operation, we drag every possible fucker in for a Syrian. The State Department works with the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center, the Department of Defense and Homeland Security. A DHS officer conducts in-person interviews with every applicant. Info such as fingerprints are collected and matched against criminal databases. Biographical information such as past visa applications are also examined.
We should be cautious, of course. We cannot reasonabily expect to let every single refugee from Syria (5 million, I think), and we cannot pretend they could not possibly be freeloaders, rapists or thugs but that is the caveat of free will.
Even the Jerrys have been barring undocumented refugees from entering at their own borders and hell, they seem to be learning patterns, because they just stopped a terror attack.
And even if we stopped them all from entering, and essentially turned ourselves into an island, the specter of terrorism would still sneak in through the internet and telecommunications. Where else did the Tsarnaev brothers or McViegh learned how to make their tools of terror? I know we can protect our people and our way of life from Salafists and jihadists without dismantling our humanity and the foundations of our Republic.

You are right. Immigration is not our biggest threat. What is our biggest threat is the rhetoric in the mosques, the propaganda spewed, and people too afraid to say that either of those are an actual problem. Just a heads up, someone chanting "death to America" probably doesn't share your high ideals.

 

[DZ 305]

You are right. Immigration is not our biggest threat. What is our biggest threat is the rhetoric in the mosques, the propaganda spewed, and people too afraid to say that either of those are an actual problem. Just a heads up, someone chanting "death to America" probably doesn't share your high ideals.

I could care less what some extremist thinks of my ideology. We have a network of intelligence with many mosques. Fuck, how long did the NYPD alone spy on mosques?

 

[QI 541]

You are right. Immigration is not our biggest threat.

Give it a few decades.

 

[Guardian G.I.]

Judging by the peace-loving statesmen who support Hillary, her victory would seriously... erhm... complicate the international situation. If these people will make her foreign policies after her victory, heaven help us all.

 

[AnOminous]

I am actually voting for Trump and here is why:

I have been a Muslim my whole life in the US, as the child of Turkish immigrants. I have been to many mosques in that time, and I will tell you, the very people who want to destroy this country are already here. Salafists and Wahhabis are here in spades, and reforming immigration now will do nothing about it. My family are Gulenists, and we are the flip side of the coin. We advocate for modern education and inter-faith dialogue, and even we are shunned by the local Muslim community wherever we go. (With the exception of Turkish-American communities).

You may say "oh, you are simply over-reacting, there is no way it can be that bad!" I challenge you to go to a mosque on a Friday for jummah prayer, and to listen to the chutbah. Hang around a bit afterwords and pretend to pray, listen to the conversations they have. The truth is, we are all in some serious danger.

The problem isn't that extremists are coming here, the problem is we take in people from impoverished nations with little to no education who are susceptible to becoming radicalized.

We need bold, and fast action now, and no politician will ever provide that. Trump may not be perfect, but he sees the problem, and is most definitely not a politician. It isn't islamophobic to say you don't want to be murdered by salafists in order to virtue signal.

All I can say is you haven't exactly been closeted about being a gigantic faggot so nobody should be surprised.

 

[*Asterisk*]

Back in the 90s Trump was one of those patients in the whole Dr. Feel good scandals in NYC who was discovered was taking prescription amphetamines to stay thin, currently we do know that he's on Adderal and it may be affecting his sleep/

Thank the Lord. He probably can't even sit in a chair for five minutes without such pills.

Now if only he'd be focibly given a Thorazine drip on top.

We need bold, and fast action now, and no politician will ever provide that. Trump may not be perfect, but he sees the problem, and is most definitely not a politician. It isn't islamophobic to say you don't want to be murdered by salafists in order to virtue signal.

Trump actually using the phrase "jihadist" when talking about jihadist rather than meaningless Obama-isms such as "violent extremists" isn't a sign of how far ahead Trump is on the terror question. It's just a sign of how shit most others are.

For all his tough talk, Donald Trump happily abandons all his own points on terrorism when the country causing problems happens to tie to his own business ventures. To this day, he's tied to hotel construction in Jeddah. Saudi Arabia to this day is not among the countries he's proposing a travel ban for. Given the sheer degree to which Saudi constuction money is tied to international terrorism, Trump's reflexive abandonment of the danger signal when his wallet comes into play is downright despicable and undercuts even a generous interpretation of what the man will do about the problem once actually in power.

He's a professional dolt and a personal coward.

 

[AnOminous]

I could personally kick Donald Trump's ass.

That's all anyone needs to say about what a man he is.

 

[fcgh vgcf]

itt: political nobodies tl:dr for 200+ pages on why nothing will change and everything will go down the shitter whilst lannius dislikes every other post

 

[KingGeedorah]

I could personally kick Donald Trump's ass.

That's all anyone needs to say about what a man he is.

I could beat up Hillary. I've been training against bipedal lizards and my alignment is chaotic neutral.

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

Simply freezing immigration is not viable in the long term, and sure as hell would cripple commerce on an international level. And even if Trump gets in and puts that stupid fucking wall up, we still have one of the longest unsecured borders in the world, neighboring a country set to resettle 25,000 Syrians, but no talk about fully securing the northern border, but plenty of talk about sending the less than 10,000 people back. The US anti-terror machine isn't some joke of handholding and warm milk. Vetting isn't some Micky Mouse operation, we drag every possible fucker in for a Syrian. The State Department works with the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center, the Department of Defense and Homeland Security. A DHS officer conducts in-person interviews with every applicant. Info such as fingerprints are collected and matched against criminal databases. Biographical information such as past visa applications are also examined.
We should be cautious, of course. We cannot reasonabily expect to let every single refugee from Syria (5 million, I think), and we cannot pretend they could not possibly be freeloaders, rapists or thugs but that is the caveat of free will.
Even the Jerrys have been barring undocumented refugees from entering at their own borders and hell, they seem to be learning patterns, because they just stopped a terror attack.
And even if we stopped them all from entering, and essentially turned ourselves into an island, the specter of terrorism would still sneak in through the internet and telecommunications. Where else did the Tsarnaev brothers or McViegh learned how to make their tools of terror? I know we can protect our people and our way of life from Salafists and jihadists without dismantling our humanity and the foundations of our Republic.

We both wear the same team uniform but you've got a bit of hyperbole going here. If Hillary wins in November, we aren't taking 5 million. We won't be taking shit. Not our job and we don't need unskilled laborers when our southern neighbor is providing us with about 300,000 of them every year. Europe is running out of EuroMexicans (Poles), thus their eagerness to be such humanitarians.

As far as screening Syrians goes, those people will likely be allowed to skip an immigration step every other immigrant needs to complete - getting a document from the local constabulary stating you do not have a criminal record. I'm not optimistic that the DHS bureaucrat seer who performs the interview will have a better success rate detecting criminals than the person's local cops.

And you've got to dial it back with the whole "Dismantling our humanity and the foundations of our republic." After 20 years of trying to slow down the Mexicans, it looks like we've finally leveled off, mostly due to immigration legislation. We fucked the Chinese right off for about 60 years before we decided they weren't subhuman. At times, we've had the whole of Asia on the Fuck These People immigration list. There will always be immigration and it will always cause problems. If a President or Congress puts some category of people on the Fuck You list for a few years due to these problems, the country isn't going to unravel.

 

[MrCKMongler had cybersex with ADF lol]

Alright, all I'm going to say is this, you guys really don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Salafists. You are from outside the culture, looking in, and you don't see what we see. When people complain about Muslims not doing anything to help stop terrorists, well, this is why. If we speak up, we are shouted down, because whitey knows best. That is all.

 

[AN/ALR56]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-Ivt2NmbyGgJudging by the peace-loving statesmen who support Hillary, her victory would seriously... erhm... complicate the international situation. If these people will make her foreign policies after her victory, heaven help us all.

I find it funny no one wants to talk about a ex cia chief who supports Hillary wanting to kill Russians and Iranians.
This is why you haven't defeated Isis and this is why you are sending top of the line hardware to "moderated rebels",who mysteriously desserts to Isis after received the weapons.