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Fisk just murders like 50 people openly and he gets to just...leave New York?

I'd say that was stupid as fuck, but that does seem like the exact kind of stupid fucking deal liberal protestors would make just to get rid of Drumpf.

Also...why can't the governor just pardon Matt? Is there some kind of time limit with that and that's what the writers decided to use for real life?

Edit: Also, what the fuck was up with Cole North? The dude betrayed Powell and let the protestors in, but then at the end during the prison scene he's walking with Powell and the AVTF prisoners like they're still cool?

IDK, I enjoyed the season overall but that ending felt rushed.
 
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Michael Wade said:
The one thing I'll admit he's wrong on is his assblasting about Lincoln and the civil war,
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Tbh as a non american I had no idea about any of that stuff, Lincoln to outsiders is always presented as a saint that came from heaven to deliver the blacks from the evil confederates by freeing all the slaves from the good of his heart. For anyone who isn't familiar with the intricacies of the civil war its very educational.
 
Oilspill Battery said:
Tbh as a non american I had no idea about any of that stuff, Lincoln to outsiders is always presented as a saint that came from heaven to deliver the blacks from the evil confederates by freeing all the slaves from the good of his heart. For anyone who isn't familiar with the intricacies of the civil war its very educational.
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Was Lincoln a saint? Not exactly. He didn't free the slaves out of kindness. Simply put, there were way too many benefits to freeing them that passing up on the opportunity would not be recommended. Lincoln recognized that.
 
Oilspill Battery said:
Tbh as a non american I had no idea about any of that stuff, Lincoln to outsiders is always presented as a saint that came from heaven to deliver the blacks from the evil confederates by freeing all the slaves from the good of his heart. For anyone who isn't familiar with the intricacies of the civil war its very educational.
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There are good points to be made about how woefully unprepared he was for dealing with the situation and mistakes he made. But to say he was an outright gleeful tyrant doesn't hold water for me. Dude was just barely holding himself together from all the suffering he had bear in his family and the casualty reports. By the third year he was definitely doing everything to end the war as quickly as possible. Lincoln was very insistent that the south be treated with respect and dignity in defeat. So much so that General Sherman did a complete 180 in his opinion of his character. He went the full mile in honoring Lincolns desire on the eve of his death that the surrender terms he gave were considered too lenient and had to be adjusted.


If anything from reading a full account, the secretary of state William H. Seward comes across as the biggest bastard. He went behind Lincolns back before the war kick-started and made promises he couldn't keep. When Lincoln unknowingly broke those promises by keeping the forts in southern States staffed and stocked. Seward ended up throwing away any chances of de-escalation. Peace wasn't guaranteed, the Southern leadership was exceedingly prideful and arrogant, but man he completely botched it and made Lincoln look like a liar. He was also something of a tyrant that ended up forming a temporary secret police that locked up anybody and anyone he deemed a security threat. People he didn't like were added regardless of actual deeds.


As for marvel.... Well I hope it doesn't suck and id laugh my ass off if they made most of the phase 4 stuff completely redundant.
 
Michael Wade said:
There are good points to be made about how woefully unprepared he was for dealing with the situation and mistakes he made. But to say he was an outright gleeful tyrant doesn't hold water for me. Dude was just barely holding himself together from all the suffering he had bear in his family and the casualty reports. By the third year he was definitely doing everything to end the war as quickly as possible. Lincoln was very insistent that the south be treated with respect and dignity in defeat. So much so that General Sherman did a complete 180 in his opinion of his character. He went the full mile in honoring Lincolns desire on the eve of his death that the surrender terms he gave were considered too lenient and had to be adjusted.


If anything from reading a full account, the secretary of state William H. Seward comes across as the biggest bastard. He went behind Lincolns back before the war kick-started and made promises he couldn't keep. When Lincoln unknowingly broke those promises by keeping the forts in southern States staffed and stocked. Seward ended up throwing away any chances of de-escalation. Peace wasn't guaranteed, the Southern leadership was exceedingly prideful and arrogant, but man he completely botched it and made Lincoln look like a liar. He was also something of a tyrant that ended up forming a temporary secret police that locked up anybody and anyone he deemed a security threat. People he didn't like were added regardless of actual deeds.
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Lincoln was put in a tough situation:

On the one hand, he could let the Slave States do what they wanted, which was overstepping boundaries thus alienating the Free States, pisses off the other Western powers and forbids rapid industrialization of a massive country in desperate need for it.

On the other hand, he can have a civil war (one that was arguably inevitable due to the Founding Fathers not dealing with slavery when they had the chance), alienate the Slave States for decades to come and risk be open to foreign engagements while having said civil war.

Ultimately, Lincoln chose the latter. It was the better choice really. It earned the US a better standing in the world stage and allowed for the industrialization of the South. Those two things America couldn't go without for much longer and slavery prevented them.

Lincoln gets a lot of unfair blame but he made the only call that saw America surviving long term. He didn't ignite the Civil War. He was just holding the bomb while it went off.
 
Problematic User Forever said:
Fisk just murders like 50 people openly and he gets to just...leave New York?
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He would get away with it by claiming self defense. That is what makes it even funnier for me.
He went overboard and enjoyed stomping all those Daredevil larpers 10000%. But at the end of the day he is still a single man against a lynch mob.
 
Foggy is dead, Iron Fist doesn't exist anymore. White Boy Summer is cancelled.
Get ready for a lot more of this fucking face now.
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Incecticyder said:
Reminder that this guy was beaten by Echo after he begged for a chance to lick her pussy.
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Yeah but she had "whatever you need at the time" powers
Problematic User Forever said:
Fisk just murders like 50 people openly and he gets to just...leave New York?
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I guess it could be construed as self-defence, since it was a literal mob out to kill him, and would have if Matt hadn't intervened on the stairs
 
Nick Obre said:
Yeah but she had "whatever you need at the time" powers
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He still begged for the chance to lick her labia. You remember that he was in love with her, no? My man acted like a submissive simp for a woman who hated his guts. Never getting back from that. He could beat The One Above All and The One Bellow All at the same time one handed and he still wouldn't get his dignity back.
 
I still don't get the glazing for Daredevil Born Again Season 2. Maybe it's because I decided to rewatch the original Netflix run so there's that. BA S2 may do better in a binge, I don't know.

I'd still argue season 2 of the og series is better than the MCU one. Granted, I presume it's because of the "stare at women camp"

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(I also really like her accent,)

The Defenders would probably be a better comparison with Born Again Season 2.
 
Incecticyder said:
You remember that he was in love with her, no?
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No. Noone watched that shit. Nobody cares. It doesn't have 5 total seasons and a 6th one on the way either. It is nothing but an easter egg at this point.
Vanessa literally cucks him in Born Again Season 1 if you really want to dunk on his lard ass that much. All it did was make him that much bitter. It is fetish writing at its worst.
ConsentAccidentVictimNo98 said:
The Defenders would probably be a better comparison with Born Again Season 2.
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I agree about everything else but I would even take Born Again Season 1 over The Defenders. All that buildup and they wasted it on an Iron Fist tier product. Maybe Danny is cursed after all.
 
Gunslinger Spawn said:
I agree about everything else but I would even take Born Again Season 1 over The Defenders. All that buildup and they wasted it on an Iron Fist tier product. Maybe Danny is cursed after all.
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I haven't actually watched the Defenders in years, I was going off of memory (I haven't seen it in like 4-5 years).

But, seen as Danny is cursed that would explain why he was the only one of the Netflix lineage not to show up in BA S2. - Goes to figure that his (and Cage's) Netflix shows were the only ones I haven't watched through. I do regret watching JJ S2, but S1 was great.
 
Gunslinger Spawn said:
No. Noone watched that shit. Nobody cares. It doesn't have 5 total seasons and a 6th one on the way either. It is nothing but an easter egg at this point.
Vanessa literally cucks him in Born Again Season 1 if you really want to dunk on his lard ass that much. All it did was make him that much bitter. It is fetish writing at its worst.
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Didn't watch it either but I remember the reviews dunking on it. As for nobody cares, you are correct to an extend. It is in continuity though. Like how they destroyed Fury in the one-two punch that were Captain Marvel and Secret Invasion.

As for the cucking in Season 1, that is different. In Echo, the man was a total simp for a girlboss. It is far more humiliating to beg for a woman to sleep with you after she disrespects you.

Gunslinger Spawn said:
I agree about everything else but I would even take Born Again Season 1 over The Defenders. All that buildup and they wasted it on an Iron Fist tier product. Maybe Danny is cursed after all.
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Danny was HORRIBLY miscast. He is a charisma vacuum that can't fight. Stuntmen can only do so much. There is nothing about that man's body language that screams "powerful and enlightened warrior". He seems so fragile.
 
Incecticyder said:
Danny was HORRIBLY miscast. He is a charisma vacuum that can't fight. Stuntmen can only do so much. There is nothing about that man's body language that screams "powerful and enlightened warrior". He seems so fragile.
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Yeah I would rather take my chances with a chink legacy character.

They will try to make a Defenders reunion for muh nostalgia and I hope it doesn't come to fruition. 3/4 of them should be enough. Add more guys from the slop Disney shows if they really want their TV Avengers. French Lalo Salamanca was a good addition.
 
Gunslinger Spawn said:
Yeah I would rather take my chances with a chink legacy character.
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All they had to do was get a guy that knows how to fight in Asian martial arts. But no, they had to get a stick figure from Game of Thrones. I get that Asian martial arts favor leaner builds but that guy was no Bruce Lee.

Gunslinger Spawn said:
They will try to make a Defenders reunion for muh nostalgia and I hope it doesn't come to fruition. 3/4 of them should be enough. Add more guys from the slop Disney shows if they really want their TV Avengers. French Lalo Salamanca was a good addition.
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The Defenders were the right choice for that but they fucked it up. Imo, they should have started with "Heroes for Hire" and transitioned that to the Defenders. You know, test the waters to see what kind of chemistry the cast has before going for a full team-up.
 
The MCU is a spent force. They're trying to keep it going, but as has been noted in this very thread more than once, the execs at Disney thought that they could sustain interest and insane profitability in the franchise for ages, but there was nowhere else to go after the decade and change build up to the climax of "Endgame". Every "new" entry in the MCU post-Endgame feels like desperate flailing by Disney company people trying to force the MCU back to where it was, as a money-printing machine. They could have given the franchise a breather, let anticipation build up again while they got something together more coherent and less prone to wholesale scrapping and last-hour rewrites and reshoots. That whole Infinity Saga era of the MCU is lightning in a bottle and at least there was a cohesive plan to it, now it feels like they have just been improvising, and not very well.
 
Commander X said:
The MCU is a spent force. They're trying to keep it going, but as has been noted in this very thread more than once, the execs at Disney thought that they could sustain interest and insane profitability in the franchise for ages, but there was nowhere else to go after the decade and change build up to the climax of "Endgame". Every "new" entry in the MCU post-Endgame feels like desperate flailing by Disney company people trying to force the MCU back to where it was, as a money-printing machine. They could have given the franchise a breather, let anticipation build up again while they got something together more coherent and less prone to wholesale scrapping and last-hour rewrites and reshoots. That whole Infinity Saga era of the MCU is lightning in a bottle and at least there was a cohesive plan to it, now it feels like they have just been improvising, and not very well.
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It wasn't even spent, Disney expected too much of it. They could of built up another cast of characters in reasonable priced movies that made a respectable profit that could of built up to another major profitable crossover move. They fucked that up in two ways.

First, they spent too much money expecting every movie to make Avengers profits. Had they made a set of 130 to 200 million dollar movies looking to make a profit off a 700-800 box office. However the movies went to 250-400 million dollars for for standalone moves, needing every MCU movie to break a billion to make a profit, which they couldn't because of the other problem.

Disney went 125% into ESG/DEI. They took the audience for granted, and felt like they could push an almost all woman Avengers with some tokens. This was from the start well into the souring of this from the audience, and possibly largely responsible for driving this shift.

There is an easy path where the MCU could be going into Avengers 4 with another string of successes, Disney choses to mishandle things.
 
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