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Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
Still not as funny as the "Black Panther says Fuck ICE" posts I would see.

Yes, the man who's country has a literal magic barrier to keep foreigners out would oppose throwing the foreigners out. The need to compare everything to pop culture was a mistake.
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The childish "this character would agree with me and support my side!"
Not just weird that it is characters they don't own but characters they actively misunderstand.
 
King Metalia said:
This tweet makes no sense, Doctor Doom is a super villain dictator in Europe. Why would we care about defying American immigration?
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They'll likely use the frame of Doom crying after 9/11 as reference that he cares about America and Modern American Politics.

Ignoring the fact that, between it being a National Tragedy and New York essentially being the heart of the Marvel Universe, literally every Earth based character was in the 9/11 Memorial Comic. Nevermind the fact that Comic is going to be 25 years old - and likely older than a lot of the dipshits referencing it - this September.
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
They'll likely use the frame of Doom crying after 9/11 as reference that he cares about America and Modern American Politics.
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I absolutely hated that shit.
Doom is a genocidal maniac, he destroyed entire universes because he got slightly angry.
He would not cry because 3000 Jews died.

What Bin Laden did was small fry compared to an average supervillain plan.
None of the Marvel villains would cry, a lot of them would cheer.
 
Incecticyder said:
That identity has collapsed. They were iconic heroes we could aspire to be. Now, they are #currentyear #activist #acab #girlboss.
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Damn, how the MCU declined with all that political crap. It's not that I'm an "Incel" or anything, but I think mixing the vices of modern politics (like girlboss, Marxism, and Latinidad) is what made me not take phases 4 and 5 of this continuity seriously.
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Marvel have been like this since its restart in the early 1960s.
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Good heavens, they're going back to the "Like a 60s" aesthetic as if to tell the geeks "Hey we're faithful to the comics" or some crap like what happens in Fantastic Four: First Steps, which is a "Generic" movie within the MCU.

MrJokerRager said:
The question that will collapse the spiritual identify of the current Western comics book industry.
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Between Marvel's stupid synergy with its cinematic universe and the fact that writers partly turned their stories into idealistic political pamphlets because, of course, Superman in his early days in Action Comics, the leftists took him as "Theirs," it's not that he's usable for militaristic propaganda, even pro-immigration, depending on the writer in charge.
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Marvel have been like this since its restart in the early 1960s.
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Not like this. Nothing was like this. There was substance. There was debate. It was not until Civil War that we saw the start of the current Marvel.

Thorpy Kamen said:
Damn, how the MCU declined with all that political crap. It's not that I'm an "Incel" or anything, but I think mixing the vices of modern politics (like girlboss, Marxism, and Latinidad) is what made me not take phases 4 and 5 of this continuity seriously.
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You have no idea. They fired Permutel (or whatever his name is) and he was their only quality assurance guy. He allowed current year but only if it met the minimum amount of quality.
 
Incecticyder said:
Not like this. Nothing was like this. There was substance. There was debate. It was not until Civil War that we saw the start of the current Marvel.
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By your metric it really started with Reagan being elected POTUS, and then heated up with H.W. Bush presidency. And then drastically escalated with Dubya being elected and Marvel stopped giving any fucks about alienating everyone who isn't a godless, infanticidal communist. Civil War was when the mainstream normies finally started noticing what Marvel was doing.
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
By your metric it really started with Reagan being elected POTUS, and then heated up with H.W. Bush presidency. And then drastically escalated with Dubya being elected and Marvel stopped giving any fucks about alienating everyone who isn't a godless, infanticidal communist. Civil War was when the mainstream normies finally started noticing what Marvel was doing.
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Exactly. There were things before but there was counterbalance. You could argue that they acknowledged that there were other sides that they should cater to. From Civil War onwards, you were with them or you were an idiot and a bigot.
 
Incecticyder said:
Exactly. There were things before but there was counterbalance. You could argue that they acknowledged that there were other sides that they should cater to. From Civil War onwards, you were with them or you were an idiot and a bigot.
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There was no counterbalance at all.
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
There was no counterbalance at all.
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I suppose the more correct term is that there was nothing stopping someone from writing a story were a character was right- wing and heroic or left-wing and villainous. Marvel was always left-leaning but they had not been gung-ho about Communism, portraying right-wing characters as Nazis or anything like that. The X-men are inherently left-wing but drew the line on extremism. Now, they ally with the worst mutants. Captain America is an inherently right-wing character but was nice with everyone and represented everything good about America. Now, he either heils Hydra or supports exclusively the left.

Look, I do not argue that they were absolutely even handed but things were better. Remember what MJ said? "Republicans buy shoes too." What does that mean? It means that he is a Democrat but in the name of making money, he will keep his mouth shut about politics. Marvel was willing to do that once too. They did not speak unless they were sure whatever they said would be something that all could agree on. Now, they side with the fringest of the left pretty much exclusively.
 
Incecticyder said:
I suppose the more correct term is that there was nothing stopping someone from writing a story were a character was right- wing and heroic or left-wing and villainous. Marvel was always left-leaning but they had not been gung-ho about Communism, portraying right-wing characters as Nazis or anything like that. The X-men are inherently left-wing but drew the line on extremism. Now, they ally with the worst mutants. Captain America is an inherently right-wing character but was nice with everyone and represented everything good about America. Now, he either heils Hydra or supports exclusively the left.

Look, I do not argue that they were absolutely even handed but things were better. Remember what MJ said? "Republicans buy shoes too." What does that mean? It means that he is a Democrat but in the name of making money, he will keep his mouth shut about politics. Marvel was willing to do that once too. They did not speak unless they were sure whatever they said would be something that all could agree on. Now, they side with the fringest of the left pretty much exclusively.
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Yes. Ageed. I partly despise Marvel's political radicalization, their attempt to make stories "realistic" basically only makes them more stupid and simplistic. Since Obama won, comics have become more "radical," not to mention that the quality has dropped in favor of real-life political activism, especially after Trump became the 45th president. Marvel turned Captain America into a Hydra agent (a Nazi), and many people defended this because "that happened even before," without knowing the context, like in plots involving infiltration and mind control.
Incecticyder said:
Exactly. There were things before but there was counterbalance. You could argue that they acknowledged that there were other sides that they should cater to. From Civil War onwards, you were with them or you were an idiot and a bigot.
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I would say that Civil War somewhat messes up Ironman's image, and also that the company tries to force not only changes for diversity but also to unnecessarily make its heroes evil. I mean, there was an evil Ironman, a Nazi Captain America, and The Maker was a fantastic lord turned into a great bad guy to destroy the Ultimate universe for being darker and more destructive than the 90s era.
 
Thorpy Kamen said:
I would say that Civil War somewhat messes up Ironman's image, and also that the company tries to force not only changes for diversity but also to unnecessarily make its heroes evil. I mean, there was an evil Ironman, a Nazi Captain America, and The Maker was a fantastic lord turned into a great bad guy to destroy the Ultimate universe for being darker and more destructive than the 90s era.
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I would say that "somewhat messed up Iron Man's image" is an understatement. The character never recovered fully in the eyes of many. Same goes for Spiderman and OMD. Marvel was always on the left but from Civil War onwards, they started thinking they were smart and politically savvy to an insane degree.
 
Calandrino said:
When you put it that way, a European dictator seething about American domestic policies doesn't sound that far-fetched.
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EU had a big meeting this morning crying about ICE in Minnesota
But it's also very insulting to compare DOOM to an EU goober
 
The greater a'tuin said:
Just finished watching Wonder Man. Middling if you ask me. Even without the race-swap, it's boring "waaah acting is so hard" frippery by some self-important writer who hijacked the comic character's potential for their vanity project. I also now learn that Ben Kingsley is 82 and half-Indian.
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Been said before many times but again Wonder Man is an interesting character to me and you can probably tell interesting stories in live action with the limitations of it being live action. It reminds me of the Black Lightning show where they made an interesting superhero into a boring husk because you have to be reminded that a lot of these writers either don't like or don't get superheroes and what makes them fun.
 
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