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Still can't get over the whole SJ Harris situation that happened a decade ago.

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‘Deadpool 2’ Set Death Likely Could Have Been Prevented

Producers are said to have ignored stunt coordinators’ concerns about the motorcyclist amid a desire for a race and gender match.

BY SCOTT JOHNSON

AUGUST 23, 2017 6:00AM

In the days leading up to the Deadpool 2 motorcycle stunt that killed racer S.J. Harris on Aug. 14 in Vancouver, the crew was said to be growing increasingly agitated and nervous about the potential for something to go wrong.

The 20th Century Fox sequel’s producers had been exerting pressure to have the 40-year-old Harris, who had raced professionally but had never worked on a film, perform that day’s stunt because, as an African-American, she was a believable stand-in for Zazie Beetz, who portrays Domino in the film. But several crewmembers warned the producers that Harris wasn’t ready, a production source tells The Hollywood Reporter.

“She was improving, but I was watching her and, oh my God, I thought, ‘It’s just a matter of time before she crashes into a wall or runs somebody over,’” says one stunt performer who had been training Harris the day before the crash that killed her. A member of the stunt team alerted the movie’s producers to these concerns but was ignored, according to the source who trained Harris.

From a technical perspective, the stunt was relatively straightforward. It called for a rider sitting astride a Ducati 939 Hyperstrada motorcycle to exit a building, descend a ramp over three small stairs and stop on a nearby landing. For a stunt professional, it would have been a cinch. But Harris had never even been on a film shoot before.

And the crash occurred on the first live take. The accident has drawn outrage and tough questions from the Hollywood stunt community. “The producers put pressure to have somebody of the same sex and ethnicity in a position she wasn’t qualified to be in,” says Conrad Palmisano, a veteran stunt coordinator and second unit director with 47 years in the entertainment industry, including credits on Sleepless in Seattle and 21 Jump Street. Palmisano says he has been in close touch with several people who were on the Deadpool 2 set that day. “The stunt coordinators caved to the pressure. All the stunt people could do was take it to their higher-ups. They’re going to follow their chain of command.”

Fox and a rep for Deadpool 2 director David Leitch (himself a former stunt coordinator) declined to comment. The film restarted production days after the accident and is on track for its June 1 release.

According to a preliminary report issued by WorkSafeBC, the Canadian equivalent of OSHA, Harris “continued driving beyond the planned stopping spot on the stairway landing and continued to drive down a second ramp built over the bottom stairs and across the roadway.” Still astride the motorcycle, the report continues, Harris rode into a concrete sidewalk curb, where she “was thrown off the motorcycle and propelled through a plate-glass window of a building.”

Several people were forced to jump out of the way of the speeding bike. Immediately after she crashed, many ran over to offer first aid and saw that Harris was grievously injured, according to people on the set.

Whatever happened, those who had worked closely with Harris have apparently come to the conclusion that it was likely rider error. The question for investigators is, why was she put in this position? She had crashed the bike on two separate occasions days before the accident, say two people familiar with the shoot.

And Harris was the second person enlisted to do the job, as the production had earlier hired another woman who hadn’t performed well on the motorcycle in preparation for the stunt, a source says.

“If the movie’s producers had to go outside of the normal stunt community to find someone who was both qualified and resembles the actress, that speaks to a problem of lack of diversity of stunt performers,” says Darnell Hunt, the dean of Social Sciences at UCLA who helps produce the annual “Hollywood Diversity Report,” which comes out before the Oscars every year.

Harris’ death is the second fatal on-set accident in less than a month. In July, stuntman John Bernecker was killed when he fell off a warehouse balcony on the Georgia set of The Walking Dead. Before that, the last on-set fatality occurred in spring 2014 during filming of Midnight Rider, when camerawoman Sarah Jones was killed by a train on a bridge trestle, also in Georgia. Jones’ death inspired a large community of safety-minded professionals to gather regularly online to monitor safety-related incidents.

“I cringed every time she went out,” says the person who had been working with Harris, “Like, when is she going to crash?” This person eventually left the set and told the producers she wanted nothing more to do with the movie. “They were warned, yes!”
 
Still can't get over the whole SJ Harris situation that happened a decade ago.
Sad. I honestly don't really understand how the death happened. She was riding without a helmet and even at low speeds an impact therefore can be fatal. I get that. But from the details I read she was going less than 10mph and the task was simply to stop after riding down a short ramp. She was an experienced motorcyclist, even if not stunt motorcyling. Apparently she didn't stop and continued riding down a second ramp she wasn't supposed to. I guess that might have been for emergencies if for some reason she failed to stop on the flat area. You can't stop a bike going down a ramp so easily if the ramp is narrow - nowhere to put your foot down. But the curb she hit was across a road at the bottom? Even with a large and heavy bike, stopping distance at <10mph is minimal. Just didn't see it? Going through a window even at < 10mph can be fatal. You can run through a window and die from the cuts. So the actual impact, especially without proper protective gear, I can understand being fatal but I don't quite get how it happened.

RIP, anyway.

On the subject of stuntpeople in the MCU, I to this day would love to know the comparative salaries of the woman who played Task Master in the Black Widow movie and had maybe three spoken lines vs. the stuntman who played the character for 98% of the movie (Task Master has a helmet on most of the film and nearly all of the characters scenes are action scenes up until the very end). If the actress got paid more than the stuntman then a wrong has been done.
 
I don't know if it's a spoiler or not in the context of the show but I appreciate you taking care. To me, I just wanted to know and am highly unlikely to watch it. I'm doubtful I'll ever watch any MCU past this point though I've not set a rule against it. The last thing I even looked at was the F4 movie and that was only out of morbid curiosity. Early 2000s F4 would kick the First Steps F4 butts.

3rd episode in, and it's as solid as warewolf by night. Expecting a serious fuck up later on that leaves a cancerous taste in mouth like in warewolf by night.

Doesn't feel like an MCU show at the moment. It's andor (ish). Just set in the MCU with MCU references.

3 episodes in i'd say it's worth it... But it could all be for naught. I'd recommend warewolf by night if I hadn't seen the last 10 or so minutes. Turned me off the entire thing.

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Nevermind. Episode 4 was ok until they rushed it. And 5 gives Netflix mcu vibes... Skip it. It lost the seriousness vibe it had going. It was decent while it lasted. Now it's just generic. Not sure I'll be finishing it.
 
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Didn't realize Wonder Man was fully released today. It's only eight episodes long, about four hours overall. You're not missing anything if you skip it, but the lead and Ben Kingsley work very well together. Overall, decent if non-essential.
It was surprisingly good despite what what the grifter slop-tubers claimed it would be. Nothing mind blowing sure, but not every piece of media needs to be.

7/10 in my view.
 
3rd episode in, and it's as solid as warewolf by night. Expecting a serious fuck up later on that leaves a cancerous taste in mouth like in warewolf by night.

Doesn't feel like an MCU show at the moment. It's andor (ish). Just set in the MCU with MCU references.

3 episodes in i'd say it's worth it... But it could all be for naught. I'd recommend warewolf by night if I hadn't seen the last 10 or so minutes. Turned me off the entire thing.

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Nevermind. Episode 4 was ok until they rushed it. And 5 gives Netflix mcu vibes... Skip it. It lost the seriousness vibe it had going. It was decent while it lasted. Now it's just generic. Not sure I'll be finishing it.
Your post began by saying the one thing that might make me give it a try: That it was like Werewolf by Night. Which I unironically think is the best thing in the MCU.

And then it ends by telling me it does the classic Netflix thing of taking a nose-dive! Thanks for the info. If I feel my completionism nudging me to watch it, I'll just sate it with spoilers until the urge goes away.

I also heard the rumoured spoilers for Doomsday yesterday.
It allegedly opens with X-Men vs. Toby Macguire universe with Toby Spiderman being killed (possibly by Wolverine).

You can almost hear the wheels turning in the writer's head as they think: "People really liked it when Spiderman was killed in Infinity War. So we should kill a Spiderman again. Instant views."

Though regardless of how many extra flaws they dump on top of this movie, I think I could probably never get past the casting of RDJ as Doom. Which is such a catastrophically poor and pandering decision, nothing can make up for it.
 
Your post began by saying the one thing that might make me give it a try: That it was like Werewolf by Night. Which I unironically think is the best thing in the MCU.

Episode 4 and 5 are too comedic for me. 4 is just a back story for a certain rule in Hollywood regarding supers and while it's good, it gets rushed to fit everything in the last 10 or so minutes. 5 is just a buddy cop thing.

They could have done 4 as a two parter. Not even film 5. And continue. But that's just my opinion. It's actually a fresh show. Black manta is great
 
It allegedly opens with X-Men vs. Toby Macguire universe with Toby Spiderman being killed (possibly by Wolverine).
Yeeeeeeeeesssshhhhhh. You have a very life affirming film in No Way Home where Peter puts everything on the line to save villains he knows are seconds from death, to this Rick & Morty-esque slop where characters are slaughtered wholesale just to thrill audiences.

Fuck Marvel.
 
It allegedly opens with X-Men vs. Toby Macguire universe with Toby Spiderman being killed (possibly by Wolverine).
"Hey, millennials, remember the Spider-Man you grew up watching? Well, here he is being killed by another Marvel character you grew up watching."
 
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Marvel has made some dumb decisions in the last few years, but I simply cannot believe they'd deliberately erase such a large amount of good will by offing Tobey's Spider-Man. At least not until Secret Wars, anyway.
 
Marvel has made some dumb decisions in the last few years, but I simply cannot believe they'd deliberately erase such a large amount of good will by offing Tobey's Spider-Man. At least not until Secret Wars, anyway.

So it's the last surviving heroes vs doom.
I thought there were rumors they were going to do a Spidey movie with tobey and Andrew teaming up.
 
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So it's the last surviving heroes vs doom.
I thought there were rumors they were going to do a Spidey movie with tobey and Andrew teaming up.
I remember that rumour too, it's why I can't really buy them outright off Tobey or even Andrew. Beating them to a pulp before Tom and the others step in? That sounds more believable.
 
"Hey, millennials, remember the Spider-Man you grew up watching? Well, here he is being killed by another Marvel character you grew up watching."
most media realized around covid that they need to stop doing nostalgia for the 1980s and start doing nostalgia for people born in the 1980s, hence the freaky friday, devils wear prada, xmen, and spiderman bullshit.
 
They are currently mad one of Marvel's best current artists.

A guy from Spain named Carloz Gomez.
I'm almost certainly I have some of his original art from when he was still a literal nobody 10 to almost 20 years ago.

Sad. I honestly don't really understand how the death happened. She was riding without a helmet and even at low speeds an impact therefore can be fatal. I get that.
With Domino's hairstyle, they should've been able to strap a wig to a helmet and no one would notice.
 
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