Marvel Cinematic Universe

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Michael B. Jordan would be a good Blade. I don't care if he was already in Black Panther or Fantastic Four.


When did he claim to be a fan? I thought his general response to Star Wars was, "that's white people shit."

I recall he had photos of him with a well-worn set of NJO paperbacks or other old EU stuff

 

[Overly Serious]

It seems like Snipes will still have the last laugh.
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I said it before but in that movie when Wesley Snipes walked on screen he looked like he could take any other cast member hands down.

And frankly, Jennifer Garner looked like she could take any other cast member except for Snipes.

Tatum, Reynolds, even Jackman, despite the muscles and the low body fat there's something babyish about all the modern actors compared to the old school. Frankly, they either don't make 'em like that anymore or they just aren't hiring them in Hollywood.

Of all the re-casting in all the comic book movies, I'm not sure I can think of a single one that would be a harder act to follow than Wesley Snipes as Blade. The way he moves, the way he smiles, the way he talks. Motherfucker is iconic.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I said it before but in that movie when Wesley Snipes walked on screen he looked like he could take any other cast member hands down.

And frankly, Jennifer Garner looked like she could take any other cast member except for Snipes.

Tatum, Reynolds, even Jackman, despite the muscles and the low body fat there's something babyish about all the modern actors compared to the old school. Frankly, they either don't make 'em like that anymore or they just aren't hiring them in Hollywood.

Of all the re-casting in all the comic book movies, I'm not sure I can think of a single one that would be a harder act to follow than Wesley Snipes as Blade. The way he moves, the way he smiles, the way he talks. Motherfucker is iconic.

I agree, but both Jackman and Tatum are dancers and, while they don't look like, they can really kick ass. I definitely wouldn't want to be in a fight with someone who can dance professionally and it's not super gay. Reynolds is the one whose ass any of us can kick easily.

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

I just saw the new Wonderman trailer, apparently it mentions superheros being banned, talks about how people are getting tired of Superheros and even bring up Superhero fatigue.

Looks like marvel is starting to get self-awareness about how people in general are genuinely getting tired of capeshit and want to move on and are talking some kind of meta route by using this show to address this.

I wonder what they are going to do with this and how far they will be willing to referance the internet chuds making commentary videos about the downfall of capeshit.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

I wonder what they are going to do with this

More niggers, more ugly women, dumber scripts.

 

[dick brain]

I just saw the new Wonderman trailer, apparently it mentions superheros being banned, talks about how people are getting tired of Superheros and even bring up Superhero fatigue.

Looks like marvel is starting to get self-awareness about how people in general are genuinely getting tired of capeshit and want to move on and are talking some kind of meta route by using this show to address this.

I wonder what they are going to do with this and how far they will be willing to referance the internet chuds making commentary videos about the downfall of capeshit.

The funny thing is the people I know aren't tired of capeshit, they're tired of capeshit that tries to get ahead of people being tired of capeshit by pretending it's not capeshit and trying to be subversive and postmodern instead of just being fun feel good slop.

They've been self aware for the last five years and look where it got them. The self awareness isn't the solution, it's the problem.

Nobody wants to watch another deconstruction of the superhero genre, that shit was played out as soon as The Watchmen hit the zeitgeist and the normies who missed that wave already have The Boys and Invincible.

How retarded do you have to be to be to make one of the most objectively successful media franchises of all time and then convince yourself that nobody's interested?

Nobody in the crowd at a WWE event wishes they were watching Cirque du Soliel. Shut up and write a fucking capeshit story for once. You're not above it if you can't pull it off in the first place.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Plus Hollywood have been missing the part of people are watching and or reading and enjoying the different constructions of the superhero genre for the past fifteen to thirty years. FFS look at the classic pre-MCU Marvel movies were constructions of genre centered on the title character(s).

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I just saw the new Wonderman trailer, apparently it mentions superheros being banned, talks about how people are getting tired of Superheros and even bring up Superhero fatigue.

Looks like marvel is starting to get self-awareness about how people in general are genuinely getting tired of capeshit and want to move on and are talking some kind of meta route by using this show to address this.

This, or they're trying to set the upcoming plot for mutants.

Aside from the aliens, most of the current characters, if not all, have acquired their powers. None of them have been born this way (iicr). And they also have very basic powers like super strength or endurance.

If I was in charge, I might use that to set up the alleged discrimination. People would indeed feel worried that, suddenly, their kids start to be born with random powers or deformities.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

I just saw the new Wonderman trailer, apparently it mentions superheros being banned,

I thought the Sokovia Accords were revoked?

Nobody wants to watch another deconstruction of the superhero genre, that shit was played out as soon as The Watchmen hit the zeitgeist and the normies who missed that wave already have The Boys and Invincible.

How retarded do you have to be to be to make one of the most objectively successful media franchises of all time and then convince yourself that nobody's interested?

Superheroes are meant to inspire hope. Why would you want to convince anyone otherwise by "deconstructing" them?

 

[Powerhouse of the Cell]

Superheroes are meant to inspire hope. Why would you want to convince anyone otherwise by "deconstructing" them?

One of the most common themes of Superhero deconstruction genres is the idea that people that become superheros would automatically become supremacists or whatever and want to genocide humanity.

Think Homelander and Omni-Man from Invincible, or Suicide Squad kill the Justice League.

My guess is that people who write these things have inferiority complexes who hate anyone who are better than them in some ways, ig people more successful than them or better than them in terms of personality.

So they project this idea that they are all supremacists who want to oppress the weak or something.

Notice how they often make the protagonists fall into the anti-hero/anti-social archetype. Like The Boys that try to defeat Homelander, or like how in the Suicide Squad kill the Justice League the main characters who kill the evil Justice League are filled with a bunch of C-list villains like that Boomerang guy and King Shark.
I am thinking of that scene where Harley Quinn, right before killing Batman went on this retarded tangent on Batman being such an evil fascist for daring to stop mass murdering supervillains and not thinking about their "poor mental health" or whatever.

In that, it really like the writers of Harley Quinn's dialogue were genuinely slipping in their thoughts and feelings and were using Batman as a character to lash out on because he represents everything they hate about good people.

 

[Idiotron]

People who are denying the capeshit fatigue are silly.

Yes, YOU and YOUR FRIENDS still like that stuff but most people are tired.
We had a solid 20 years of being bombarded with capeshit content like never before, it's been exhausting.
1 movie/show per year is fine but when you get 20 projects per year and those projects waste over 50% of Hollywood money for that year so you don't get much else, it's too much.

It's the same as being surprised at people hating gays now in 2026.
We just had a decade of faggotry being everywhere, we want none for a while or at the very least, a lot less.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

My guess is that people who write these things have inferiority complexes who hate anyone who are better than them in some ways, ig people more successful than them or better than them in terms of personality.

So they project this idea that they are all supremacists who want to oppress the weak or something.

It's always people who hate the concept of superheroes that get to write superhero movies.

I'm well aware that it's a flawed movie, as discussed heavily over in the DC thread, but I still loved Superman 2025 because it didn't waste time acting like superheroes are dumb. It treated the Man of Steel as a symbol of hope.

We had three different MCU movies and five different MCU Disney+ shows in 2025, yet none of them captured the optimistic view of superheroes as well as scenes from this one movie that came out the same year did.

 

[dick brain]

Superheroes are meant to inspire hope. Why would you want to convince anyone otherwise by "deconstructing" them?

There's a lot of reasons and some of them are valid.

There's stuff in the vein of Watchmen that I interpret as sort of "remedial capeshit", stories that simultaneously acknowledge the importance of the basic virtues proposed by the genre but also the reality that reality is almost always more complicated and nuanced than the stories we use to build that moral groundwork and often times good people have to do bad things in order to prevent worse things. I think that's easily the least bullshit category. Then there's sort of a step further from realism into relativism with stuff like The Cape and Chronicle and that godawful Brightburn movie that centers on what happens when the same power is bestowed upon the wrong people or people who are wrong, and questions the ethics of impressing your will upon others as a fallible person, which I think is still a valid question to examine but tends to trend toward a rejection of one's own moral compass in favor of deference to authority, which is... at least in my mind antithetical to the virtues of the genre. Which is probably the point, a sort of agnostic rejection of the thesis on the basis of relativism, but it either poses no alternative or a really gay one -- relinquishing your individual power to a so-called authority, which is hilarious because it gives that so-called authority disproportionate power over individuals which is then inevitably misused in scenarios that mirror the very deconstructions that argue for that course of action.

Then there's shit that has nothing to do with superheroes or vigilantism and just uses the conventions of the genre as a metaphor for something several steps removed from the underlying themes, like The Boys, which I think is a reaction to the death of the fantasy of capitalism as meritocracy; a reaction to the realization that the people who succeed in modern society are not paragons of virtue and very often the opposite, that the social system we operate in seldom rewards the virtues that we're told it does and know it should. Which is like, fine, it's not untrue, it's just not a superhero story. Not a good nor bad deconstruction of superheroes because it's not a deconstruction of superheroes, it's a deconstruction of something else entirely.

Then there's relativist-postmodernist wholesale rejection of traditional conceptions of what is virtuous, which is the vast majority of cases and almost invariably a puddle of piss. The most charitable interpretation is that the writers genuinely believe their own bullshit, which is already not a good look, because it means that they believe themselves to be good people despite not fitting into the archetype of what a good person is and so they seek to redefine the archetype so as to redraw the boundaries of the definition to include themselves. Just a whole bunch of mental gymnastics to avoid the pain of admitting that their student loans were a mistake, the same way fat people blog online all day about how they're healthy and beautiful instead of investing that energy into becoming healthy and beautiful. The other likely scenario is that they don't respect the genre to begin with and want to stand out from the crowd by being different for the sake of fluffing up their own resume, which studios eat up if they're trying to "get ahead" of the "bubble" that is stories so universally resonant that they sustained the comic book industry for nearly a century right up until the death of print as a medium and in a broader sense have been rehashed for all of human history. And then if you're a schizo like me you humor the possibility that these instances of relativism and postmodernism and redefinition of virtue in media are not emergent market trend but rather top-down propaganda intended to manufacture consensus and shape behavior, or otherwise divide the working class against itself by cultivating incompatible views of morality. Similarly I'm convinced that the constant emphasis on "found family" is part of the psyop to destroy people's existing attachments and sense of identity with any unifying group or ideology so those needs can be supplanted, but it's also entirely possible that it's an emergent phenomenon due to writers being so fucking annoying and gay that nobody wants to be around them except for other annoying gay retards.

tl;dr there are reasons to do it but those aren't the reasons they're doing it.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

My guess is that people who write these things have inferiority complexes who hate anyone who are better than them in some ways, ig people more successful than them or better than them in terms of personality.

Leftists.

Leftists believe in equality, it's the OS in which they run. This is just application of equality into the stories, the heroes are bring down to these people's level so the heroes aren't really above them.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Superheroes are meant to inspire hope. Why would you want to convince anyone otherwise by "deconstructing" them?

Intellectual masturbation mainly.

While the more in depth ideological reasons why it is done has merit, for the vast majority of cases it's just people wanting to tear down what others have built to feel superior, and engage in pointless sophistry of "in real world superheroes won't exist" which is:
A. Retarded, as every work of fiction is based on the reader accepting breaks from reality for the sake of the story existing.
B. Plain wrong as there are multiple cases of real world men who did acts of heroism and maintained a moral character.
C. Usually based on the writer having a father issue.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

in real world superheroes won't exist

I never got that argument. You know who else doesn't believe that a superhuman can use their incredible powers for good? Lex Luthor, Superman's arch-enemy.

 

[Overly Serious]

I never got that argument. You know who else doesn't believe that a superhuman can use their incredible powers for good? Lex Luthor, Superman's arch-enemy.

I don't know if the trope has a name but there's a recurrent pattern of the villain not simply wanting to defeat the hero, but to devalue the hero, to ruin his reputation or admit he's no better. That trope is occasionally mocked but it's quite insightful. Have you ever noticed how in real life when someone has given up, the presence of those who haven't seems to enrage them. They attack those who still believe more ferociously than their enemies ever did.

I guess the archetypal example of this in comics is The Killing Joke with the Joker determined to prove others are no better than he is. But it crops up a lot and in other media too. It's just the starkest in comics because their heroes are out and out explicitly heroes in large.

 

[Zemporer]

I don't know if the trope has a name but there's a recurrent pattern of the villain not simply wanting to defeat the hero, but to devalue the hero, to ruin his reputation or admit he's no better. That trope is occasionally mocked but it's quite insightful. Have you ever noticed how in real life when someone has given up, the presence of those who haven't seems to enrage them. They attack those who still believe more ferociously than their enemies ever did.

I guess the archetypal example of this in comics is The Killing Joke with the Joker determined to prove others are no better than he is. But it crops up a lot and in other media too. It's just the starkest in comics because their heroes are out and out explicitly heroes in large.

Would the "Crab Bucket Mentality" apply to what you're thinking of?

 

[Overly Serious]

Would the "Crab Bucket Mentality" apply to what you're thinking of?

I feel not, tbh. That's less of a personal thing and more of a community thing. This is more personal, more angry. Driven by a sense of shame or envy I think, towards the person who makes them feel bad. Have you never noticed it online from time to time, even here, the sheer need that someone who has given up has that other people also give up? Very real thing.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I never got that argument. You know who else doesn't believe that a superhuman can use their incredible powers for good? Lex Luthor, Superman's arch-enemy.

Maybe The Joker is a better example, since insane billionaires seem to be dime a dozen today with the ones in Big Pharma and Big Corn outdoing most iterations of Lex in people killed.

Ironically the deconstructionists don't like to refer to characters like Lex since they always win in the worlds they create. Because *surprisingly* comic book characters are mainly written to deal with characters that can't be punished by the justice system.

I don't know if the trope has a name but there's a recurrent pattern of the villain not simply wanting to defeat the hero, but to devalue the hero, to ruin his reputation or admit he's no better. That trope is occasionally mocked but it's quite insightful. Have you ever noticed how in real life when someone has given up, the presence of those who haven't seems to enrage them. They attack those who still believe more ferociously than their enemies ever did.

I guess the archetypal example of this in comics is The Killing Joke with the Joker determined to prove others are no better than he is. But it crops up a lot and in other media too. It's just the starkest in comics because their heroes are out and out explicitly heroes in large.

This makes sense when you consider many writers treating heroes as father figures. A normal writer will want to aggrandise their dad for their good qualities, a writer with dad issues (most of the ones in the 2 decades) will humiliate their dad for his deficiencies.