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dick brain said:
IIRC they can't make another Hulk movie because of some legal bullshit with Edward Norton so they have to keep slipping him into other shit.
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I've never heard of an issue with Norton. My understanding is the issue is Universal have distribution rights on Hulk movies (at least for the first 15 years after they're released), and Disney is too jewish to want to give them a cut, and Hulk likely isn't big enough to make doing a deal worth it ala the Sony/Spiderman one.
 
East_Clintwood said:
I've never heard of an issue with Norton. My understanding is the issue is Universal have distribution rights on Hulk movies (at least for the first 15 years after they're released), and Disney is too jewish to want to give them a cut, and Hulk likely isn't big enough to make doing a deal worth it ala the Sony/Spiderman one.
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Yeah that's probably what it was, I'm probably mixing it up with Norton fucking with American History X or something.
 
East_Clintwood said:
I've never heard of an issue with Norton. My understanding is the issue is Universal have distribution rights on Hulk movies (at least for the first 15 years after they're released), and Disney is too jewish to want to give them a cut, and Hulk likely isn't big enough to make doing a deal worth it ala the Sony/Spiderman one.
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This is what it is. The issue they had with Norton is he rewrote TIH and the final cut cut out almost all of the character development in movie and it pissed him off and they fought with him about some sort of credits situation. I like that movie, but I don't blame him because they cut out all of the interesting stuff in it.

It was one of those studio scenarios where they basically wanted to make it as different as possible to the prior movie because of it's reception as boring and stuff (by retards, Ang Lee's Hulk is great) so they cut it down to a leaner run time with less downtime between action beats.

there's some fanedits out there that are extended editions with all the deleted scenes shoved back in and besides the fact there are unfinished effects in some of them, it's a way better movie. Oh well.
 
el bandito loco said:
This is what it is. The issue they had with Norton is he rewrote TIH and the final cut cut out almost all of the character development in movie and it pissed him off and they fought with him about some sort of credits situation. I like that movie, but I don't blame him because they cut out all of the interesting stuff in it.

It was one of those studio scenarios where they basically wanted to make it as different as possible to the prior movie because of it's reception as boring and stuff (by retards, Ang Lee's Hulk is great) so they cut it down to a leaner run time with less downtime between action beats.

there's some fanedits out there that are extended editions with all the deleted scenes shoved back in and besides the fact there are unfinished effects in some of them, it's a way better movie. Oh well.
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Norton Cut when?
 
Ryan Reynolds also understands what kind of character Deadpool is and goes with it. Pedro Pascal doesn't give much a shit about what he's playing any more.

Sounds corny to say it, but Reynolds respects Deadpool, while no one in this movie seems to mind much about the Fantastic Four existing for more than 6 decades. Michael Chiklis was in fact a fan of The Thing. When you are a fan of the thing you play, you respect the cultural importance, either is a comic book character or a Shakespearean character.
 
Why would anyone expect reverence to be shown toward a pre-existing, established character in a Disney film? That company exists to shit undigested bile with a thousand CG VFX artist credits into people’s laps, then threaten clickbait journoscum with AI replacement if they don’t glaze the product by labeling anyone who doesn’t want to pay for the privilege a Trump supporter.

Though I personally don’t care for Reynolds’s interpretation of Deadpool (which has effectively ruined the character forever), he has undeniably remained faithful to what he believes the character is.
 
East_Clintwood said:
My understanding is the issue is Universal have distribution rights on Hulk movies (at least for the first 15 years after they're released), and Disney is too jewish to want to give them a cut, and Hulk likely isn't big enough to make doing a deal worth it ala the Sony/Spiderman one.
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Didn't the rights relapse back to Marvel/Disney since they technically haven't made a Hulk movie in over a decade? I'm not counting the She-Hulk show since I don't know if TV rights are included in that.
 
Marc said:
Though I personally don’t care for Reynolds’s interpretation of Deadpool (which has effectively ruined the character forever), he has undeniably remained faithful to what he believes the character is.
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Deadpool has been shit in the comics for years before the movie came along.
 
I feel like Deadpool really started blowing up in the comics after Reynolds played him in Wolverine Origin. He had been around 20 years already, the Joe Kelly book was successful there had been Cable & Deadpool but right after that movie, like 2010, I feel like every month there was another Deadpool miniseries coming out. there was Deadpool Corps, Pulp, MAX, Kills the Marvel Universe, it felt like all back to back. I didnt read any of it, besides MAX which I dont remember at all, but I remember going to pick up Hulk and Superman once a month and being like damn theyre really pushing this motherfucker.

I don't know if any of that was in the works before Origins or not but it seemed to me at the time people must have liked him in his 15 fuckin minutes an awful lot for them to push that character so hard. It worked I guess even though I feel like it was severely to the detriment of Deadpool himself who I really liked up until around then. I've liked all 3 movies but I dont really give a shit about the character anymore but I do have to give Ryan Reynolds credit, even if he annoys me he's probably the main reason that character isn't a permanent d lister even before he got the movie made.
 
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Hijo de D. Woodchucks Jr. said:
Deadpool has been shit in the comics for years before the movie came along.
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His comics had gone to shit by time the Deadpool video game came out (for reference; they hadn't yet revealed that the additional voice in his head was Madcap). Actually, most Marvel comics had gone to shit by time that game was released. I stated only that Reynolds' portrayal has ruined the character forever; because that's what the general public will expect Deadpool to be forever after (just like how they expect Wolverine to be a tall, handsome, mountain of man who cries in every movie).

I much prefer Nolan North's take on Deadpool; where he's perfectly content to be perceived as a villain who occasionally kills people the heroes happen to also be fighting. Reynolds' Deadpool quips with none of the weight the threat of being an unstoppable psychopath liable to turn on his own allies at a moment's notice carries. He aspires to be "one of the good guys", instead of fraternizing with villains equally annoyed by his attempts at friendliness. He's monogamous to the love of his life, instead of having no-strings-attached sex with mutants and Death itself (to the perpetual chagrin of Thanos). Reynolds' Deadpool isn't dangerous, morally gray to any extent which might risk alienating the audience, or ever framed as being less than the de facto protagonist. The character is merely Reynolds' adolescent fantasies about how cool and quippy he'd act if he had superpowers - and popcorn fatties eat it up as definitive DEADPOOL because it's a comic-accurate suit with white eyes and eyebrow ridges (of course, none of them know to give a fuck that his teleporter is missing).
 
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Marc said:
His comics had gone to shit by time the Deadpool video game came out (for reference; they hadn't yet revealed that the additional voice in his head was Madcap). I stated only that Reynolds' portrayal has ruined the character forever; because that's what the general public will expect Deadpool to be forever after (just like how they expect Wolverine to be a tall, handsome, mountain of man who cries in every movie).

I much prefer Nolan North's take on Deadpool; where he's perfectly content to be perceived as a villain who occasionally kills people the heroes happen to also be fighting. Reynolds' Deadpool quips with none of the weight the threat of being an unstoppable psychopath liable to turn on you at a moment's notice carries. He aspires to be "one of the good guys", instead of fraternizing with villains equally annoyed by his attempts at friendliness. He's monogamous to the love of his life, instead of having no-strings-attached sex with mutants and Death itself (to the perpetual chagrin of Thanos). Reynolds' Deadpool isn't dangerous, morally gray to any extent which might risk alienating the audience, or ever even framed as being less than the de facto protagonist. The character is merely Reynolds' adolescent fantasies about how cool and quippy he'd he if he had superpowers - And popcorn fatties eat it up as the definitive DEADPOOL because it's a comic-accurate suit with white eyes and eyebrow ridges.
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this is totally hitting the nail on the head with why I think the character sucks now too. He's sanitized to hell, but mainly in morality. he's more vulgar now than ever and probably violence too, but the character himself doesnt really have any of the grey area beyond the fact he might kill an innocent/civilian or someone in the crossfire for a punchline.

but yeah I think the mainstream push for him is what caused it. I dont have proof it had anything to do with Ryan Reynolds or Wolverine Origins but it just seemed to me at the time to be when it was starting to happen in a major way. He got a million miniseries in a row right after that movie, then a video game, then the movie. and although again I like those movies, theyre the 'safe' version of Deadpool epitomized by Reynolds that the comics and game were running with in that midperiod between Origins and Deadpool 1 and we've been stuck with it ever since and always will be and that sucks.
 
KissMyTaint said:
Didn't the rights relapse back to Marvel/Disney since they technically haven't made a Hulk movie in over a decade? I'm not counting the She-Hulk show since I don't know if TV rights are included in that.
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No, I think you're confusing it with similar deals that have happened for rights to other properties (like the janky early 90s F4 movie that was allegedly made to stop the movie rights expiring).

Universal doesn't hold the rights to make Hulk movies, they have the rights to distribute them. Marvel could start making a solo Hulk film tomorrow if it wanted, it would just have to let Universal distribute it, which they won't because that would mean giving up control, and more importantly a load of money.
 
Overly Serious said:
YES! Ang Lee's Hulk is phenomenal. I absolutely love the comic book panels he did and stunts like the way you see the guy approach Betty Ross from both behind and in front. Top stuff. I never got the hate.
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iirc a VERY rough unfinished cut hit the onlines and caused a bad buzz about the panels things for a lot of people
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
iirc a VERY rough unfinished cut hit the onlines and caused a bad buzz about the panels things for a lot of people
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I don't know about the panels thing though they were also mocked pre-release. The unfinished CGI was certainly the case with the hulk himself, though.

And as is so often the case, once people have got an opinion on something they hate to be wrong and just double-down on it. The effects weren't as good as you'd get today but they were nothing that should spoil the movie.
 
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