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Mr. 0 said:
usually they put the teaser in the middle of the credits, not at the beginning of the story
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XYZpdq Jr. said:
now I'm imagining some HUD home from the seventies with a bunch of ghetto thugs sitting around watching capeshit and nobody's noticed that big guy in the back with the green cloak and the metal mask
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Tasty Tatty said:
Ok, you got my attention, lmao.
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until you guys said something, I never really thought to ask what the deal was, but he has off handed been like nah Pedro Pascal is in it? not watching that to a couple of things I have mentioned over the last few years and specifically told me to find a camrip for F4 and we weren't going or at least he wasn't if we went the other weekend. So I asked him. his response was "fucc that white spic faggot". I guess I'll find out what its about tomorrow when we watch it, or maybe he'll just say that over and over the whole movie. Idk.

the house is a cheap piece of shit. we're going to be watching this in the "man cave" which is actually just an unfinished basement that's always too cold and the only place his wife allows him to smoke weed and menthols at. it has cheapo light up signs on the walls (Kansas City Chiefs, Royals, a beer sign, a pot leaf, and a Batman logo) I'm pretty sure he actually just lives down there because it always looks like somebody's been sleeping on the couch, and his high vis vest and work boots are always by the stairs. it also weirdly enough has a deadbolt at the top of the stairs from in the house and ive always wondered if his wife ever just locks him down there.
 
Fantastic Four was decent, but you can definitely tell they cut and they trimmed to get it down to an acceptable runtime. It's very much Sue's movie, which is alright since Kirby plays the role fine but I would've liked more of Ben or Johnny. As for Eyes of Wakanda, it was...instantly forgettable. The backgrounds were nice, at least.
 
Powerhouse of the Cell said:
Looks like it's made of cheap material and has the proportions as if it was handmade at home by a cosplayer.
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I swear to God, if Disney's takeaway from "The CGI looks terrible" was to switch to Practical's but spend as little money on them as possible, imma laugh
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
I swear to God, if Disney's takeaway from "The CGI looks terrible" was to switch to Practical's but spend as little money on them as possible, imma laugh
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CGI has improved in many aspects, it looks much more realistic nowadays and it's not like in the early 2000s where there was excessive use of them.

I think they are switching to practical shitty costumes nowadays because they are stretching their money thin with the megastar actors that they hire to play in their movies.
 
I'm avoiding reading the thread too much so my viewing of FF isn't colored. but id just like to say I think personally, CG sort of stagnated somewhere in the last 15 years. and I think it makes the bad CG in these movies stand out more because it's the same type of bad cgi we've been seeing for years now.

when I was a kid in the 00s, cgi in movies looked like Blade 2, Scorpion King, Van Helsing, etc. That's right, it looked like shit. It's what we had though. But in just a few short years, it improved immensely. For big movies, look at star wars episode 2, then avatar. Its like 7/8 years between them and they might as well be from different eras entirely. I recently rewatched all the Planet of the Apes movies. when I got to the reboots, the jump just from Rise to Dawn, 2011 to 2014 is fuckin crazy. but after that? War and Kingdom look better, but barely at all. shit, the new Superman and Man of Steel visually you could have told me came out the same year. I probably would believe you. that's crazy. They were released the amount of time a kid spends in public school apart from one another.

there are probably constraints on the people who do that stuff, time, budget, technology. I dont blame them, but the only movies that really look like they couldnt have been made 10 years prior, are shit where someone had carte blanche to do whatever the fuck they wanted with unlimited funding. Blade Runner 2 and Avatar 2, shit like that. your average smaller Marvel movie doesnt look any better than Age of Ultron, that was a fuckin decade ago. Avengers 3 and 4 looked good, but they also were made basically for a blank check from Mickey Mouse. You'd think after that much time even something like Blacktain America would look incredible in relation to the first Ant Man or something, but it really doesn't.

but my point here is whether its budget or technology or whatever making these movies look like shit, I think it's so noticeable because we've had 10 years of average blockbusters not getting much improvement with visual effects so it's easier to notice when it's shitty. I feel like video games have also had a much smaller gap in graphical improvements in this amount of time too, so maybe visual tech sort of peaked and hit a point where it's not massive jumps forward but consistent small steps, things do look better now in general but we've been stuck in it looks believable but never looks real purgatory for a long ass time now.
 
They do seem to be switching to more practical effects and actual stunts. The behind the scenes photos of the upcoming Spider-Man movie show off a lot of instances of the stunt man swinging around on wires on location.

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Tor Lugosi said:
They do seem to be switching to more practical effects and actual stunts. The behind the scenes photos of the upcoming Spider-Man movie show off a lot of instances of the stunt man swinging around on wires on location.

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There's another Spiderman movie? Is this more MCU or a Sony one? I thought people were saying MCU was being rebooted?
 
Overly Serious said:
There's another Spiderman movie? Is this more MCU or a Sony one? I thought people were saying MCU was being rebooted?
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MCU, supposed to have the Punisher and (according to rumors) the Hulk in it. The reboot is happening with Avengers: Secret Wars, which they keep delaying.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
MCU, supposed to have the Punisher and (according to rumors) the Hulk in it. The reboot is happening with Avengers: Secret Wars, which they keep delaying.
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Punisher as in same one from the Netflix shows with continuity? Or something new?
 
Overly Serious said:
Punisher as in same one from the Netflix shows with continuity? Or something new?
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Jon Bernthal, yeah. The recent Daredevil: Born Again series on Disney+ put the Netflix shows into the MCU continuity, which they originally were but then sorta drifted into a grey zone.
 
Kier Starmer said:
The pushback Disney has been receiving from investors is steadily growing, especially after Epic Universe's opening. The boardroom when F4 fails is going to be intense because they will attempt to rewrite next year's Avengers. I am in the camp of expecting a delay, but they say it's due to reshoots later on.
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(Part three being messiah)

Yes, it's going to get delayed and Disney was already in a game of chicken. Why? Dune: Messiah is going to take up the biggest IMAX screens such as the Metreon (California), Lincoln Square (New York), BFI (London), Melbourne (Australia) etc. These cinemas can bring in a lot of money. Dune Pt2 got 13 IMAX reels in its last run and it was shot digitally. It will have more this time, given P2s success and that it is being shot partly on film. It will also have the larger GT screens that can show it digitally. This is especially more prevalent given that it is coming out after the Odyssey and irrespective of its quality, will be getting the old film projectors up and running. If The Odyssey does well, expect there to be further interest in IMAX 70mm as seen with Oppenheimer, and how other films had IMAX 70mm versions produced. Case in point, Dune Part 2 (though this could also be due to there being GT screens that can show in 70mm but not laser) and Joker Part 2.

Things are also likely to be bleak for Dolby and other premium large formats because of Marvel's lackluster success of late.

All this is to say, Disney is fucked going with a late 2026 release. And it is becoming clearer day by day. They could also use the excuse "the delay is because Dune and we'll be having to compete with cinemas and it won't make financial success".
 
As something of a Hulk fan, one of the many signs that the MCU has it's problems has been it's handling of everything Hulk related.
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It's "funny" that in BNW they had concept art for The Leader, including him in his Immortal Hulk-era form with the fanged proboscis and all, that looks a lot better and closer to the basic character in the comics but they decided in the end, "hey let's just make his head sort of bumpy". Sure, they have the President turn into a giant red monster but a green guy with a big head is apparently a tad too much. Hey, thank goodness we did get to see Giancarlo Esposito's stunt double carry an assault rifle and get into a knife fight, though.

Not saying having a more comics-faithful-looking Leader would have saved this dogshit movie but, still.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
MCU, supposed to have the Punisher and (according to rumors) the Hulk in it.
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Marvel stop shoving the Hulk into non-Hulk movies challenge.
Commander X said:
As something of a Hulk fan, one of the many signs that the MCU has it's problems has been it's handling of everything Hulk related.
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It's "funny" that in BNW they had concept art for The Leader, including him in his Immortal Hulk-era form with the fanged proboscis and all, that looks a lot better and closer to the basic character in the comics but they decided in the end, "hey let's just make his head sort of bumpy". Sure, they have the President turn into a giant red monster but a green guy with a big head is apparently a tad too much. Hey, thank goodness we did get to see Giancarlo Esposito's stunt double carry an assault rifle and get into a knife fight, though.

Not saying having a more comics-faithful-looking Leader would have saved this dogshit movie but, still.
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"A green guy with a big head? Come on, audiences won't take that seriously. So, as I was saying, Harrison Ford takes gamma pills that transform him into the Red Hulk..."
 
ConsentAccidentVictimNo98 said:
All this is to say, Disney is fucked going with a late 2026 release. And it is becoming clearer day by day. They could also use the excuse "the delay is because Dune and we'll be having to compete with cinemas and it won't make financial success".
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Damn, then I will be deprived of my coveted Dune vs Doom headlines and YouTube titles.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
Marvel stop shoving the Hulk into non-Hulk movies challenge.
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IIRC they can't make another Hulk movie because of some legal bullshit with Edward Norton so they have to keep slipping him into other shit.

Not that I'd want to see what they'd do with the Hulk nowadays anyway.

It feels really weird to not care about this shit anymore. I basically grew up on the X-Men and Spider-Man movies. The MCU was ramping up right as both DC and Marvel were throwing their readers under the bus and rebooting all their comics, and the movies became the thing for me to care about instead. Nobody was as hyped for The Avengers as I was. When the Winter Soldier trailer dropped, I was soyjakking. When Civil War was announced, I was soyjakking. When Homecoming was announced, I was soyjakking. I didn't just watch these movies, I anticipated them, I eagerly awaited them. I remember watching the leaked Ant Man screen test footage and getting up out of my chair because I was so hyped.

And I still like all of those movies. But it has been five years and fifteen films of just straight dogshit. The only three I'd call good are the Spider-Man sequels and D&W, and even then I feel... ashamed, I think, to like them; like it's just cope, or worse, that my standards have fallen that low. I've said it before but D&W and NWH just felt like somebody jingled keys in front of me for two hours while I drooled and clapped like a seal. And that's the high point.

But now... I don't even want to hatewatch anymore. I just don't even care. I forgot FF was even coming out. I didn't watch it. I'm not going to. The only other MCU films I didn't watch were Captain Marvel, Black Widow and Wakanda Forever. For a Fantastic Four film to be in the same category is just... grim. No pun intended.

I used to know everything that was coming out. Now I'm looking at the release schedule and it's just... nothing. Nothing that I want to see. I was interested in Spider-Noir because it's Spider-Noir and it's being showrun by the showrunner from The Punisher, but now it looks like they've shoved in some kike responsible for The Cloverfield Paradox and the Mortal Kombat reboot. Supposedly there's a Spider-Woman movie in the works but it's Sony, who haven't made a good movie since 2018. And if it wasn't Sony, it would be Marvel, who haven't made a good movie since 2019. It's just... the death of hope. Like, I know they're going to mismanage whatever they announce so egregiously that I'd rather they do nothing at all.

I see all the characters they're rolling into Doomsday and I feel neither excitement nor dread. I just don't care.

I have been looking forward to at least one superhero movie at any given time for the last twenty five years, and now I'm just... not. And it's not like, a sense of deprivation or anything, I don't feel like there's a hole there. More like cutting losses I guess. It feels like a roadside McDonalds, like yeah I could consume that goyslop, but everything that I used to love about it in my childhood is gone now, there's no substance and I'm just going to feel bad afterward.

I honestly don't know whether the ensloppening of the capeshit genre is emergent or manufactured; whether it is itself a top-down ploy to corrupt what people perceive as virtue and morality, or whether the corruption has already happened and this is merely a symptom. But either way, there's nothing for me there. Just empty calories and hostile architecture.

They've been predicting the downfall of the capeshit genre for a quarter century, and after working diligently at it for the better part of a decade they've finally accomplished it.
 
Disney keep delaying Doomsday because they need to squeeze the last actors they still have before the reboot to the last drop. There is no way we aren't having a Wolverine Jackman vs Spider Tobey or Thor vs Marsden Cyclops and culminating not with Reed vs Doom but rather Pedro Pascal vs RDJ. Feige said something like they're gonna have "unknown" actors for the upcoming X-men and I'm sure that's gonna be for the rest of the cast as the budget now is basically RDJs salary. That's why the CGI is mediocre. I don't think they really care that much for this phase, they know they're on decline. They're buying time for the upcoming reboot.
 
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