Marvel Cinematic Universe

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Tasty Tatty said:
I've watched some of the movies and some are ok. Despite not being a fan, I can see the appeal of movies like Civil War, IW, or Endgame. Dr. Strange is, to me, the one with the most "adult" theme, something I myself can empathize with. But as someone who was watching Keaton's Batman and Blade as a kid, I feel like I'm not the target for this because I'm not a soy-addicted manchild who can't take gory scenes.

That's why despite I like the X-Men and I liked the Fox movies, I just can't watch the MCU. Because it's obvious that Marvel/Disney is desperate for more hits like they had with the original Avengers, and they just can't. That's why they're bringing the X-Men finally... but at the same time, they're saying they're focussing on the women of the team. They just don't get it and I'm not gonna waste my time watching how my favorite characters get fucked this bad.
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Grew up as a Marvel fan (I'm a DC fan as well ... Just more of a Marvel fan), so the very beginnings of the MCU were an exciting time.

To this day, I still think that the best MCU movie is that first Iron Man. In my opinion, that is still a great movie; total lightning in a bottle. The other "best of the best" MCU movies are Captain America: The First Avenger (still the most underrated movie of the MCU, and I will fight that tooth and nail), The Winter Soldier, the first Avengers movie, the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie, and Infinity War.

Sure, in those early years, the MCU released some mediocre stuff at times, but it was overall a reliable series of movies that were at worst entertaining enough, with some (like the ones I mentioned) that had a little something special to them. All of that changed when Captain Marvel came out, which was a movie that was indicative of the slop that was to come.

And, to be quite honest, Black Panther was overrated AF. We live in a world where THAT poorly written movie with those PS2 graphics got a Best Picture Nomination and The Dark Knight did not. Clown world, lol. But, you know, people did love that movie, so ... I'm in the minority on that one.

It's clear that the MCU's best days are behind them. Deadpool and Wolverine was definitely more of a loving sendoff of the Fox Marvel movies than it was an MCU movie (despite having some MCU continuity to it). That movie's success is by no means going to "save" the MCU.

As far as future Avengers movies go, I don't care. And I'm kind of dreading to see how they botch the X-Men. So yeah ... I won't be seeing all of that convoluted mess in theaters. Honestly, the only MCU movies I've bothered to watch in theaters post-Endgame have been the 2 Spider-Man movies and now Deadpool and Wolverine. The moment I watched Black Widow at home, I was pretty "checked out" of the MCU altogether because of how shit that movie was ... Haven't bothered with Shang-Chi, The Eternals, Wakanda Forever, Ant-Man 3 ... Etc. And you couldn't pay me to sit through any of the Disney Plus shows (I've only seen WandaVision-- which started off great and then turned into generic bullshit by the end). No thank you.

However, if Sony can make more Tom Holland Spider-Man movies that are as distanced from the MCU as possible, I'll be excited to watch them (I will never not see a Spider-Man movie in theaters ... No matter how jaded I get, I will never say no to seeing a Spidey movie in theaters lol). And if Marvel Studios can give us one last rated R Blade movie with Wesley Snipes, I will be excited to watch it.

The best thing Marvel can do right now to save face is to start working on more standalone projects ... But they obviously aren't.
 
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I don’t really care about the Kang character, but I’ll always love the MCU version for a few simple reasons; first, they got a nog to play a character named “kang,” I mean come on. Second, they depicted him as a ruler of multiple non-nog cultures, including Egyptian and Chinese variants. If I didn’t know better I’d assume it was an intentional dig at “we wuz” types, it’s so on the nose it’s ridiculous.
 
It's sad how Marvel's stunt casting has been better than their real casting. You know whenever they get to the MCU's version of Wolverine, it won't be as good as Cavill. Pedro Pascal is nowhere near as good as John Kracyzinski probably would have been if given the role in a Fantastic Four movie.

I mean, it'd be wasted castings because their writing sucks, but still- the casting is what carried the earlier phases.

Also, at least in some of the comics, Kang is supposed to be a descendant of Mr. Fantastic, if memory serves. How they go from either actor to George Floyd is a mystery I assume will remain unanswered (and unmentioned).
 
Yeah, with how Disney is going with the casting we'll go from Henry Cavill to Timothee Chalamet as the MCU Wolverine or something equally awful.
 
So I finally saw the movie because the theater by me had cheap tickets. I’m not one for giving praise to Disney/Marvel lately but that was actually pretty good, not a perfect movie of course but definitely the best Marvel movie we’ve had for fucking years. I also have zero belief that Disney will learn from this and change course for the better, my understanding is that Ryan Reynolds had a lot to do with making sure this movie didn’t go right to typical Marvel slop. I expect Black Cap and Fagtasic Four to be shit.
 
Dixieland Buckaroo said:
It's sad how Marvel's stunt casting has been better than their real casting. You know whenever they get to the MCU's version of Wolverine, it won't be as good as Cavill. Pedro Pascal is nowhere near as good as John Kracyzinski probably would have been if given the role in a Fantastic Four movie.

I mean, it'd be wasted castings because their writing sucks, but still- the casting is what carried the earlier phases.

Also, at least in some of the comics, Kang is supposed to be a descendant of Mr. Fantastic, if memory serves. How they go from either actor to George Floyd is a mystery I assume will remain unanswered (and unmentioned).
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"Not mentioned" is probably the better bet. Wouldn't be the first time they've changed how characters are related (Magneto not even being mentioned in relation to Wanda & Pietro etc.).
 
xXx: State of the Union said:
I would assume it could have something to do with Blade actually being a New Line Cinema film and not a Fox film

Edit: Does Ghost Rider pop up at all? Punisher? I figure Blade is there more cause of Ryan Reynolds connection to Blade III than anything else as it wasn't a "Fox film"
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Ghost Rider was likely omitted for power level reasons. Thats a character that arguably could have thrown down with Cassandra Nova.

Nick Cage also fucking hates Disney and would want a bigger than normal check.
 
UCT said:
So I finally saw the movie because the theater by me had cheap tickets. I’m not one for giving praise to Disney/Marvel lately but that was actually pretty good, not a perfect movie of course but definitely the best Marvel movie we’ve had for fucking years. I also have zero belief that Disney will learn from this and change course for the better, my understanding is that Ryan Reynolds had a lot to do with making sure this movie didn’t go right to typical Marvel slop. I expect Black Cap and Fagtasic Four to be shit.
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Yeah, I think Chris Gore is too optimistic when it comes to the MCU course-correcting. All the lessons they can learn from Deadpool 3 is to bring back actual movie stars. Having a solid multi-arc story isn't it, which is what normie MCU fans had with Phase 4 and 5.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Yeah, with how Disney is going with the casting we'll go from Henry Cavill to Timothee Chalamet as the MCU Wolverine or something equally awful.
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I think they'd probably make Chalamet an alternate version of Spider Man as a cameo, like they did with John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic. Henry Cavill would financially make sense, he'd be more willing to take a pay cut to portray a character like Wolverine.
 
StarkRavingMad said:
Infinity War
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Hot take: Infinity War is kinda ruined by the pre-Thanos Wakanda fight. I don't want some dumb CGI fest with a mindless army which has been continuously seen in other MCU films. The other fights work because there are personal stakes to them, but with that fight it was just... There, yeah it had the whole "protect Vision" thing but still. It was just

Then again, I'd also have had the MCU end with Infinity War.
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We live in a world where THAT poorly written movie with those PS2 graphics got a Best Picture Nomination and The Dark Knight did not
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Whatever anyone thinks of TDK, it's legacy remains evident with how it basically reshaped the entire movie and placed emphasis onto premium large formats is undeniable. This, is one of the main reasons why the movie theater will survive even if the (relatively) smaller screens die out. People will go see a film in a theatre because of IMAX and Dolby Cinema, which is an experience you can't really recreate at home. A prize that Black Panther will not have.

Especially with IMAX, which would later become one of the main advertising points with MCU films with Infinity War being advertised as being the first film to be fully filmed with "IMAX (digital) cameras". - This though, being at the 1.90:1 aspect ratio and not the full 1.43:1 expanded aspect ratio. - This doesn't mean much, the 1.90:1 aspect ratio was basically the maximum IMAX could get in the 2000s with digital projectors and most IMAX theatres now use this aspect ratio. IMAX previously implemented the IMAX MPX (multiplex) projector as a stopgap for conversions. The irony being that the only full (digital) IMAX shots in the entire MCU would be in The Eternals. Which, yeah... You get a bigger picture at home, and unless you're at an IMAX with Laser location you can get better sound at home.

Yes, other films had IMAX releases beginning (really) with Fantasia 2000 which saw Disney build their own temporary IMAX theatre for it. 2002 saw films be converted to IMAX 70mm (from 35mm, by blowing up the frame) with Apollo 13 and Star Wars Ep 2 which both had their own IMAX 70mm cuts shown (they had to because at the time they could only play up to 2 hours on the platters). This would be the trend (with limited success for IMAX) until TDK which used IMAX film. It was released in the perfect window of where the initial IMAX digital protection systems were being rolled out, and IMAX 70mm locations were pretty much at their height. Afterwards, there was a brief period of films trying to cash in on the IMAX brand with 70MM thanks to TDK. Off the top of my head, the most notable cases of this are Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol, Transformers 2 and The Hunger Games Catching Fire. Not a stellar line up, but hey. Marvel would later catch on with digital IMAX conversions (using scope, not anything larger)

It was after this that movies would rush to use IMAX as a marketing tool. Remember, Iron Man didn't have an IMAX release. It wasn't a brand that most people cared for, IMAX was previously associated with museums. IMAX 70mm sorta died out after Interstellar in 2014. IMAX corp begun pushing IMAX with Laser, and Dual Laser presents 1.43:1 digitally. Dune PT1 for instance had 1.43:1 scenes with its digital release, It thought, has somewhat made a comeback following Openheimer. Dune PT2 had its digital print converted to IMAX 70MM for a limited release (like 13 locations), Tenet getting a re-release earlier this year, Joker 2 getting an IMAX 70mm release and an Interstellar rerelease being meant to happen some time this year. Newer 15/70 cameras are also entering the field with this meaning more films will be shot with them. All in all, TDK did something.

But yeah, Black Panther was a cash cow that proved you can trick black people to consoom slop, and gaslight them into thinking that it was the first black superhero movie. TDK on the other hand, basically transformed the industry. Hell, people will willingly go to London when the BFI show it in 70mm. It had two showings in July of this year and both sold out, and mind you this is a 16 year old film. Most films released these days don't sell out there, (It's got roughly 500 seats and you don't want to be sat near the bottom), and yet both Oppenheimer and Dune PT2 sold out constantly. Interstellar also sells out fast. For Interstellar, 90% of the seats constantly were sold out to those that had a BFI membership.
 
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We have a Thanos that won against the Avengers.

The Real One..the Main One. He Won..sure the Avengers showed up and Thor beheaded him afterwards but that doesn't undo that Thanos won and the only reason that his win was overturned was because a rat stepped on Antman's button and free'd him from tiny jail.

The Thanos in Endgame was not that Thanos, it was Thanos-5 who had never met any of the people he was fighting before and jumped to the conclusion that they undid the Snap and instantly went Omnicidal and did not even question "Hey did it not go as I think it would?"
 
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