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The handsome tard said:
Wouldn't surprise me if there is an element of money laundry on the whole thing. It's not the first time Hollywood was involved in these activities, nor it will be the last.

Even if we assume that they aren't, it means that the ones behind the CG have little time, experience and skill to do a good job. Why the hell you think we are still gushing about T2 and Jurassic Park's CG to this very day? They knew what they were doing and money can't buy that.
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The old directors were fantastic in many things, but passing the torch was sadly not one of them. Couple it with terminal TDS for those that remained and the result is the hellish wasteland that is modern Hollywood.
 
Commander X said:
"Madame Web" is apparently set in 2003 and the news gets confusing. They were trying to tie it in to the Tom Holland Spiderman, or the newer guy Spiderman, and maybe they set in 2003 in order to tie it in with the MacGuire Spiderman, or it will be a total stand-alone, maybe. Anyways more signs pointing to this flick being a mess.
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Rumor is was meant to be set in the 90s and tie into Amazing Spiderman movies, but then Sony changed their mind and wanted it to tie into the new Spiderman movies. So they ended up having to reshoot parts to remove all the 90s references in it.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
The CGI looks worse with every new movie though and the actors are literal whos. The mega budgets might be false or a scam
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I know, I was just looking back at Moon Knight and realizing how shit a ton of the special effects were.

A film by Gareth Edwards that costs $80 million to produce looked better than this.

@The handsome tard
Don’t forget about Kraven the Hunter. Why does this film exist?
 
Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed said:
Don’t forget about Kraven the Hunter. Why does this film exist?
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Because he...exists? He is more known than fucking Morbius and Madame Web but not as much as Venom. That doesnt and shouldnt earn him a movie but Sony is desperate since the days of Spiderman 3 to make some sort of movie universe where every Spiderman villain has a movie...apparently.
 
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I don't really understand why they would intend to make something tying in to a previous Spider-Man franchise then once a movie comes out featuring said Spider-Man in a supporting role makes 2 billion dollars or whatever it made dial it back and make it unrelated. I thought Amazing Spider-Man 1/2 and No Way Home all sucked but people always have liked Garfield in the role.

It's also insane they didn't just start their spinoff franchise tied into it to begin with. I think initially the idea was Venom was going to essentially be in the MCU but not directly stated. I think they should have just done that. They could have had their cake and ate it too if they just had Tom Holland in Venom or Morbius in a small role as Spidey. they made it unnecessarily complicated by doing other universes instead of just making movies that don't contradict the MCU that people could consider part of it if they liked them.

If they didn't wanna do that they easily could have just slotted Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man into those movies. He probably would have done it and really the 2 venom movies aren't any worse than the 2 Amazing movies. They're just mediocre time displaced 2004 superhero movies that came out way late. I'm sure Madam Web and Kraven are going to be more the quality of Morbius but it doesn't make sense to cut any ties to a liked Spider-Man.
 
I really want to see spiderman in the sony verse fighting wierd but kinda grounded shit in early 2000's villian style?. I dont know, all I know is I want morbius and michel keaton back badly.
Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed said:
@The handsome tard
Don’t forget about Kraven the Hunter. Why does this film exist?
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(raises hand) I am the target audiance for all the sony shit. I like the way they do it compared to marvel and its batshit enough to make me curious.

Im one of the few that unironically enjoyed morbius as a throwback to old monster movies.

Also the venom movies are pretty fun.


Hembruh said:
I don't really understand why they would intend to make something tying in to a previous Spider-Man franchise then once a movie comes out featuring said Spider-Man in a supporting role makes 2 billion dollars or whatever it made dial it back and make it unrelated. I thought Amazing Spider-Man 1/2 and No Way Home all sucked but people always have liked Garfield in the role.

It's also insane they didn't just start their spinoff franchise tied into it to begin with. I think initially the idea was Venom was going to essentially be in the MCU but not directly stated. I think they should have just done that. They could have had their cake and ate it too if they just had Tom Holland in Venom or Morbius in a small role as Spidey. they made it unnecessarily complicated by doing other universes instead of just making movies that don't contradict the MCU that people could consider part of it if they liked them.

If they didn't wanna do that they easily could have just slotted Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man into those movies. He probably would have done it and really the 2 venom movies aren't any worse than the 2 Amazing movies. They're just mediocre time displaced 2004 superhero movies that came out way late. I'm sure Madam Web and Kraven are going to be more the quality of Morbius but it doesn't make sense to cut any ties to a liked Spider-Man.
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Sony is seperate from marvel so they want more money. Plus it does enable more creative freedom id imagine.
 
I enjoyed Venom 2, it's was really accurate to what a generic issue or storyline of Venom was like in 90s. It wasn't good but I had fun watching it. I thought Morbius was terrible but Leto himself wasn't bad in it, just a terrible script and editing.

what I was saying though is I know Sony is separate but I don't think they'd have to give Disney any money to use Spider-Man since they own him movie wise, and I can't imagine they don't know not connecting to either Holland or Garfield's Spider-Man in their spinoffs is leaving money on the table. I think a lot of people who don't give a shit about these Sony movies would be more likely to see them if they had Spider-Man himself in them.
 
What I don’t get is why Sony couldn’t have its villain movies be focused on the solo side of MCU Spidey’s world and his MCU films be his interactions with the wider Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Sure you need a big time story editor across companies to keep it all consistent with one another in “quality” (heh), but it could even evoke Spider-Man’s popularity and dual nature in comics: his world sells most of all, but a famous quote since the 60s being “Spider-Man appears in issue three!” to convince retailers to give new series a try since kids would always buy Spider-Man comics. So it is for developing this proposed set of Sony MCU Spidey films as his street/solo adventures with the Avengers and proper solo films Disney-MCU action and crossover spectacles.
 
Mayor Cody Travers said:
What I don’t get is why Sony couldn’t have its villain movies be focused on the solo side of MCU Spidey’s world and his MCU films be his interactions with the wider Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Sure you need a big time story editor across companies to keep it all consistent with one another in “quality” (heh), but it could even evoke Spider-Man’s popularity and dual nature in comics: his world sells most of all, but a famous quote since the 60s being “Spider-Man appears in issue three!” to convince retailers to give new series a try since kids would always buy Spider-Man comics. So it is for developing this proposed set of Sony MCU Spidey films as his street/solo adventures with the Avengers and proper solo films Disney-MCU action and crossover spectacles.
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this is more so the point I was getting at then what I actually said. I don't really think it would be feasible for them to all be full on Spider-Man movies, Tom Holland would be exhausted and burnt the fuck out but there was no reason he doesn't show up in any capacity. Venom might have been kinda weird for teen Spiderman to speed run the alien costume saga in 10 minutes then give it to eddy but really if they didn't want to do all that they could have just had him show up somewhere for another reason. Even though I don't like his version of Spider-Man much I still think it would have been cool to essentially have him in a separate tangentially related series.

In other MCU things I was reading about how Daredevil is now bringing back foggy, karen, bullseye & punisher and while that's cool, as someone who enjoyed the Netflix show, I am not convinced the retool is really going anywhere. I think it's more likely the first two episodes will be all the Netflix Daredevil related stuff and then the rest of the season will be the Disney show we were going to get in the first place just with more in suit action since he wasn't going to suit up until halfway through it or whatever. I doubt Foggy is still up to be killed off but I wouldn't be shocked if they injure him or something to take him out of the cast after an episode or two, and have bullseye kill Karen off quickly instead. I'm still holding out it ends up good but at this point even though I hold the Netflix show's first and third seasons as some of the best superhero tv shows ever I can't imagine this is going to go well. I'm happy their canonizing some of Netflix but can't help but feel bad for dudes who spent 10 years watching Agents of Shield for it to have nothing to do with anything.
 
A post on the suicide squad game about the Guardians of the Galaxy being "a bunch of nobodies" reminded me that, besides Drax, everyone in the group was revealed to be insanely important. It's a good example of the shitty writing of "everyone is special" in Marvel. Like Rocket Racoon can't be a wacky alien, he needs to be the most intelligent being in the galaxy.
 
Is "What if..." worth watching?

It's really hard to keep up with the MCU now because every movie or sequel requires you to watch the shitty in-between of unrelated events to understand who is who.

I'm completely tapped out.
 
Gender: Xenomorph said:
Is "What if..." worth watching?

It's really hard to keep up with the MCU now because every movie or sequel requires you to watch the shitty in-between of unrelated events to understand who is who.

I'm completely tapped out.
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Interesting ideas completely wasted or at least not explored to their full potential.

There is one where Black Panther is taken to space instead of Starlord and becomes a near fucking space messiah. One where Carter got the super soldier serum. And one that had the guts of trying to be Marvel Zombies but without it being Marvel Zombies (they had the ocassional reference to M.Z but without the edge and gore).
The other is Hank Pym being evil or something and Hulk pops like a balloon in that one.
Ultimately its the definition of "meh", its far from their worst but its just so...there... that it doesnt stand out whatsoever despite the interesting concept
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
A post on the suicide squad game about the Guardians of the Galaxy being "a bunch of nobodies" reminded me that, besides Drax, everyone in the group was revealed to be insanely important. It's a good example of the shitty writing of "everyone is special" in Marvel. Like Rocket Racoon can't be a wacky alien, he needs to be the most intelligent being in the galaxy.
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Even in the comics, Drax is too special too. IIRC, he's supposed to be the Thanos Killer of sorts, like a living weapon solely dedicated to Thanos.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Does he have better weapons than knives, at least?
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He's had more powers at times (like flight and energy powers), but has been literally retarded at times too.
His movie version, as far as powers go, is based on the reimagining he had right before the acclaimed Annihilation event. He was reborn as smart, super strong, and super agile, but no powers beyond that.
The movie took that, but gave him that "literal thinking" thing that made him not dumb but weird, and then the later movies turned that into just dumb.
 
What I don't get is... why the fuck right after No Way Home, was a Tobey Spider-Man 4 by Raimi not rushed into production?
Everybody wants another one, it would easily make $1 billion, probably more if it was actually decent.
Does Sony hate money that much?
 
Idiotron said:
What I don't get is... why the fuck right after No Way Home, was a Tobey Spider-Man 4 by Raimi not rushed into production?
Everybody wants another one, it would easily make $1 billion, probably more if it was actually decent.
Does Sony hate money that much?
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Sony is run by absolute retards when it comes to live action Spider Man movies
 
Idiotron said:
What I don't get is... why the fuck right after No Way Home, was a Tobey Spider-Man 4 by Raimi not rushed into production?
Everybody wants another one, it would easily make $1 billion, probably more if it was actually decent.
Does Sony hate money that much?
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It doesn't matter, because they're not going to get Sam Raimi back. Or someone like Raimi who actually loves the character and is therefore willing and able to portray Peter as the flawed character he's supposed to be.
 
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