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Nick Obre said:
Talos has been married to a (skrull) woman since his very introduction! He has children!

Sure they can say he's bi or that Skrull sexuality is different because they're aliebs (though in that case, not really queer, is it?), but his wife just died, what did you want, him to have been cheating on his wife with Fury all these years?

Beyond that, it's the usual, isn't it? They can't see any male relationship through any other lens than buttfucking. They can't be true friends, like Frodo and Sam, they can't be enemies, like Batman and Joker, they can't be brothers, like the Elrics, the Winchesters, the Spardas, they can't be bound by a mission and duty, like Fury and Talos; no, they all have to shit on each other's dicks.

Fucking degenerates, man.
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Seriously. I have no problem with gay relationsips (I'm bi myself) or representing them in media, but I hate it when people shoehorn them into every facet of every type of media (or, worse, insist that a previously non-sexual relationship is secretly gay). I wouldn't call it degenerate per se (though it certainly can be); more often, it's a sign of an immature, puerile storyteller (randomly gaying characters is standard practice for poorly-written teenage fanfiction) or – as I suspect is the case with Disney's current handling – virtue signalling.
 
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I can guarantee the advertising budget for Doctor Strange 2 was 200 million minimum over here it was everywhere. I think too marketing assumed with Spider-Man NWH the film would be even more successful and pounded more into advertising. Bigger budget = higher marketing to reduce the risk but it blew up in their face.
 
Milkshake Sniffer said:
It seems that the stand out success of Phase 4, Dr Strange 2, wasn't quite the success that Disney claimed. Forbes has ascertained, from tax returns Disney had to file, that the estimated production cost of $200m was an actual production cost of $350m though the UK govt, being retards, gave them $54m giving a net cost of $294m. So, assuming a $150m marketing which seems to be Disney's base for this kind of shit, the $955m box office gross (let's assume Disney got half of that at $478m) results in an awe inspiring $34m actual profit from the poster child of Phase 4 success. If the marketing budget was higher, say $175m, it would have made a loss! That Kevin Fiege is such a genius!
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I thought $200 budget was crazy with how it looked. Disney needs management to get their budgets under control, lot of their flops would have done fine if they had the right budget, and not like people can see the money on screen with how ugly marvel shit looks
 
Why did they cuck out so hard with the psychological/Lovecraftian horror imagery with Multiverse of Madness? It was featured prominently in the trailers and then almost non existent in the actual film.

That could have been cool and they fucked it up.
 
Sniperwoof said:
Why did they cuck out so hard with the psychological/Lovecraftian horror imagery with Multiverse of Madness? It was featured prominently in the trailers and then almost non existent in the actual film.

That could have been cool and they fucked it up.
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It was either mystery mutt and her two gay moms or Lovecraft and you gotta make sure the Blackrock checks clear
 
Sniperwoof said:
Why did they cuck out so hard with the psychological/Lovecraftian horror imagery with Multiverse of Madness? It was featured prominently in the trailers and then almost non existent in the actual film.

That could have been cool and they fucked it up.
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Probably because the executives wanted something more generic and watchable for your average moviegoer. One complaint that I've seen pop up from people who've left MCU projects is that any deviation from the "formula" is shut down.
 
Product Placement said:
I thought $200 budget was crazy with how it looked. Disney needs management to get their budgets under control, lot of their flops would have done fine if they had the right budget, and not like people can see the money on screen with how ugly marvel shit looks
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They would have to greatly reduce their budgets. Look at the 80s Indiana Jones trilogy. If you adjust for inflation, the budget from Dilator of Destiny should have been axed by at least half.
 
Secret Invasion so far is just sorta... shitty. SLJ and Ben Mendelsohn are doing their best to carry the show on their backs but they can only do so much. I can't fathom how talentless a writer and director you have to be to make a show about super spies vs changelings infiltrating governments be so incredibly tepid and bland. Emily Clarke is pretty bad in it, too. I always figured her mostly subdued performance in Game of Thrones was an intentional choice but apparently she always just sleepwalks through scenes.

I'm curious as to how sympathetic Gravik is meant to be, like if the writers see him as some sort of anti-villain who's doing the right but the wrong way or some shit. The series seems to have largely written by a guy named Kyle Bradstreet who worked on Mr. Robot.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Secret Invasion so far is just sorta... shitty.
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We're halfway through and very little has happened. Who is this TV show for? How was this idea greenlit? At this stage I have to assume they are just hiring and greenlighting these shows based on a premise and not having a story.


Tor Lugosi said:
I'm curious as to how sympathetic Gravik is meant to be, like if the writers see him as some sort of anti-villain who's doing the right but the wrong way or some shit.
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Same. I don't know if my understanding of the politics of Hollywood are making me view his portrayal in ways it may not be intended. Or if they are literally unwilling to commit either way. I am assuming they are trying to have it both ways and can't find a balance.

They're trying to be on a soap box about how awful the human race is. We're all racist, capitalist, oppress and violent to each other. Yet the person on that soap box about that literally wants to genocide all humans for being a different species. While we're meant to feel sympathy for him being an illegal immigrant. Yet the illegal immigrants are terrorists who hate us, infiltrating society to destroy it with the aforementioned genocide plans. It's all over the place. With out any nuance.

It's interesting that the treatment of legacy white male characters being treated shitty is now being expanded to legacy black male characters. This show hates Nick Fury. Watching it I feel like I can tell Sam Jackson thinks it is shit.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Secret Invasion so far is just sorta... shitty. SLJ and Ben Mendelsohn are doing their best to carry the show on their backs but they can only do so much. I can't fathom how talentless a writer and director you have to be to make a show about super spies vs changelings infiltrating governments be so incredibly tepid and bland. Emily Clarke is pretty bad in it, too. I always figured her mostly subdued performance in Game of Thrones was an intentional choice but apparently she always just sleepwalks through scenes.

I'm curious as to how sympathetic Gravik is meant to be, like if the writers see him as some sort of anti-villain who's doing the right but the wrong way or some shit. The series seems to have largely written by a guy named Kyle Bradstreet who worked on Mr. Robot.
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I don't find it that shitty but despite the premise it's just not very interesting, which is simply death for a show or movie. Better to be a trainwreck than something alright that no one watched, remembers, or cared about.
 
Nick Obre said:
I don't find it that shitty but despite the premise it's just not very interesting, which is simply death for a show or movie. Better to be a trainwreck than something alright that no one watched, remembers, or cared about.
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Very true. It's a series where you could easily just stop watching and never ever think twice about it or think back on the show.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Secret Invasion so far is just sorta... shitty. SLJ and Ben Mendelsohn are doing their best to carry the show on their backs but they can only do so much. I can't fathom how talentless a writer and director you have to be to make a show about super spies vs changelings infiltrating governments be so incredibly tepid and bland. Emily Clarke is pretty bad in it, too. I always figured her mostly subdued performance in Game of Thrones was an intentional choice but apparently she always just sleepwalks through scenes.

I'm curious as to how sympathetic Gravik is meant to be, like if the writers see him as some sort of anti-villain who's doing the right but the wrong way or some shit. The series seems to have largely written by a guy named Kyle Bradstreet who worked on Mr. Robot.
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Emilia Clarke definitely built a career on sucking dick and not talent
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Secret Invasion so far is just sorta... shitty.
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I thought Secret Invasion would be a spy drama instead they decided to Last Jedi the shit out of Nick Fury.

Emily Clarke is pretty bad in it, too. I always figured her mostly subdued performance in Game of Thrones was an intentional choice but apparently she always just sleepwalks through scenes.
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She's always been a bad actress.
 
Miller said:
I thought Secret Invasion would be a spy drama instead they decided to Last Jedi the shit out of Nick Fury.
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I was expecting some sort of Winter Soldier-esque spy thriller about Fury trying to stop a Skrull plot while having no idea who he can really trust. Instead it's largely been people standing around talking in rooms or talking while driving to another location to have another conversation.
 
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