Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Seventh Star]

Cue the cope:

Jonathan Majors Confronts Those Terrible ‘Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania’ Reviews: ‘It Doesn’t Change How I See Myself’

“Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania” introduced Jonathan Majors into the Marvel Cinematic Universe as Kang the Conquerer, the franchise’s new Thanos-sized villain. While the actor received glo…

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"Jonathan Majors Confronts Those Terrible ‘Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania’ Reviews: ‘It Doesn’t Change How I See Myself’

“Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania” introduced Jonathan Majors into the Marvel Cinematic Universe as Kang the Conquerer, the franchise’s new Thanos-sized villain. While the actor received glowing reviews for his quietly menacing Kang, “Quantumania” itself was widely panned. The film is one of the worst-reviewed Marvel films in history with a 48% on Rotten Tomatoes, which nearly matches the record-low “Eternals” score of 47%. The film’s Metacritic score also stands at a paltry 48. Majors joined IndieWire’s “Screen Talk” podcast this week and confronted “Quantumania’s” low critic scores.

“It doesn’t change how I see myself, period. It’s all data,” Majors said about bad reviews. “I’m a performance within a story. One thing I will say to my team as we’re leaving a premiere if they’re reading reviews, I’ll say, ‘How’s the movie doing?’ I try to clean my plate and take care of my part. The response is: ‘You’re straight. You’re good. They like you.’ And they tell me about the movie. Sometimes the movie is also on that level, and sometimes [it’s not].”

“It’s just people,” Majors added about film critics. “They have an opinion. You always have an opinion. I’m no fool. I know these are people writing it. These aren’t my Yale professors or my drama teachers. These are people who have kids and they have a perspective, they have a religious upbringing or a lack thereof. They live in this town, or they want to be seen in this way or don’t want to be seen in this way. I look at the aggregate and, ok, 47. But what does that 47 mean when you also got this amount of box office? What do these things mean? It’s information. I am in the know. I won’t play myself. If you are a critic on a level, I probably know you and understand your politics.”

I don't speak pseudo intellectual nigger so most of this sails over my head.

muh right wing chuds

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Jon Bernthal is returning as Punisher for Disney Plus' 'Daredevil: Born Again' series.

I loved him in the role but between the MCU's current quality and how they're treating Punisher in the comics now I'm sure they'll ruin him.

 

[Overly Serious]

Was Yondu a kree? I'm watching Agents of Shield (no spoilers please) and just started Season 5 and the kree look exactly like him so I'm guessing he was?

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Was Yondu a kree? I'm watching Agents of Shield (no spoilers please) and just started Season 5 and the kree look exactly like him so I'm guessing he was?

The wiki claims he's a Centaurian. Whether or not AoS is canon is kinda dubious these days.

How are you liking the show? It's something I've always considered watching but never got around to.

 

[The Token Ethnic]

I loved him in the role but between the MCU's current quality and how they're treating Punisher in the comics now I'm sure they'll ruin him.

That scene in the netflix series where he doesn't kill the pedo sure was telling.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

That scene in the netflix series where he doesn't kill the pedo sure was telling.

To be fair, he really wanted to and later talks about how not doing it has been eating at him. Plus, there's still this scene in Daredevil:

 

[Overly Serious]

The wiki claims he's a Centaurian. Whether or not AoS is canon is kinda dubious these days.

How are you liking the show? It's something I've always considered watching but never got around to.

My time is pretty precious these days so I'm very selective about what I watch. I heard the first season wasn't that good. I initially watched the first couple of episodes of Season 4 out of interest in the Ghost Rider character that's introduced. I found it not hard to pick up the characters and gist of it and it was pretty good so I carried on and watched the whole season. I've now rolled into Season 5. It's a bit of a weird way to go about things and not ideal but like I say, limited time.

It's good. Cast are good and I like several of them much more than I thought I would. Daisy is genuinely a bit badass in attitude without coming across as falsely propped up GirlBoss character. Yo-yo is hard not to dislike, ditto Mac. Coulson is much more impressive in this than in the movies. Yeah, I'd say it's worth watching.

 

[Oats12345]

Ant-Man 3 being shit and Majors being a good actor can both be true, doesn't always have to be a race thing. Obviously there'll be some idiots playing it like that, but who gives a fuck what they think. A good actor is a good actor, period.

After seeing the movie today. I do think Majors is a good actor. The reason Hollywood is pushing him so much lately is because Hollywood is having trouble finding Stars these days. If you notice their having a hard time finding new Will Smith Johnny Depp's, Brad Pitt's and Tom Cruise's and such. Those actors are getting older and no one can find any good young replacements lately. Hence why guys like Majors is getting pushed hard.

I do find him a good actor well at the same time I'm not sure what the MCU fate will be.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

There's no hope for Punisher in the MCU. They couldn't even get him right on Netflix for the most part.

 

[Gar For Archer]

The wiki claims he's a Centaurian. Whether or not AoS is canon is kinda dubious these days.

How are you liking the show? It's something I've always considered watching but never got around to.

AoS is basically MCU fan fiction with a budget, season 1 is… not good, seasons 2 and 3 aren’t very good either but they scratch a particular government-conspiracy itch for me so I have a soft spot for them. Season 4 is honestly really solid, the Ghost Rider effects are surprisingly good for TV and all 3 storylines are pretty strong. The show is pretty far from high art, some parts of it especially in season 1 really are just laughably bad, but even at its worst it’s quite a few tiers above CW superhero garbage.

 

[starborn427614]

After seeing the movie today. I do think Majors is a good actor. The reason Hollywood is pushing him so much lately is because Hollywood is having trouble finding Stars these days. If you notice their having a hard time finding new Will Smith Johnny Depp's, Brad Pitt's and Tom Cruise's and such. Those actors are getting older and no one can find any good young replacements lately. Hence why guys like Majors is getting pushed hard.

I do find him a good actor well at the same time I'm not sure what the MCU fate will be.

Your point about Hollywood not having many megastars these days is interesting, I had felt something like that was starting to happen. Think of all the ones we grew up with - they're either dead or getting over the hill rapidly.

 

[Oats12345]

Your point about Hollywood not having many megastars these days is interesting, I had felt something like that was starting to happen. Think of all the ones we grew up with - they're either dead or getting over the hill rapidly.

Exactly. Everyone points out how Tom Cruise turned 60 last year. Well this year there's like several big actors turning 60 this year. Sandra Bullock is already in her 60s as well.
Than you got guys like Robert De Niro who's in his 80s now. Harrisan Ford is 80. RDJ is the same age as my dad!! Denzel Washington is in his late 60s.

So many of the megastars people can name easily are almost 60 or past that. I noticed lately Hollywood is having a hard time finding fresh Megastars lately. That's why it feels there trying to hard.

 

[Lone Star]

There's no way part of the casting consideration for Majors wasn't that he looks a lot like George Floyd.

Maybe that's why journalists and the other acts keep shilling for him so intensely.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Actually looking at the lists, Superman's rogues make up about the same amount as the entirety of Marvel. That is, very sad. I will admit to being more of a DC fan, but I have watched a lot of Marvel material as well, which makes it sad how unmemorable most of the antagonists were.

X-Men, Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four all have really strong antagonist pools. Cap and the Avengers less so, but they generally fought evil organizations rather than colorful villains. Besides them, there's a lot of heroes with one or two really strong antagonists, like Bullseye for Daredevil and Jigsaw for Punisher.

Then there are the newer heroes who don't have any antagonists of their own. Kate Bishop's big antagonist was Madam Masque, an old Iron Man baddie. America Chavez has that white woman who cancelled her slam poetry performance. And Ms. Marvel has... *shrug*

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Cue the cope:

Jonathan Majors Confronts Those Terrible ‘Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania’ Reviews: ‘It Doesn’t Change How I See Myself’

“Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania” introduced Jonathan Majors into the Marvel Cinematic Universe as Kang the Conquerer, the franchise’s new Thanos-sized villain. While the actor received glo…

variety.com

"Jonathan Majors Confronts Those Terrible ‘Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania’ Reviews: ‘It Doesn’t Change How I See Myself’

“Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania” introduced Jonathan Majors into the Marvel Cinematic Universe as Kang the Conquerer, the franchise’s new Thanos-sized villain. While the actor received glowing reviews for his quietly menacing Kang, “Quantumania” itself was widely panned. The film is one of the worst-reviewed Marvel films in history with a 48% on Rotten Tomatoes, which nearly matches the record-low “Eternals” score of 47%. The film’s Metacritic score also stands at a paltry 48. Majors joined IndieWire’s “Screen Talk” podcast this week and confronted “Quantumania’s” low critic scores.

“It doesn’t change how I see myself, period. It’s all data,” Majors said about bad reviews. “I’m a performance within a story. One thing I will say to my team as we’re leaving a premiere if they’re reading reviews, I’ll say, ‘How’s the movie doing?’ I try to clean my plate and take care of my part. The response is: ‘You’re straight. You’re good. They like you.’ And they tell me about the movie. Sometimes the movie is also on that level, and sometimes [it’s not].”

“It’s just people,” Majors added about film critics. “They have an opinion. You always have an opinion. I’m no fool. I know these are people writing it. These aren’t my Yale professors or my drama teachers. These are people who have kids and they have a perspective, they have a religious upbringing or a lack thereof. They live in this town, or they want to be seen in this way or don’t want to be seen in this way. I look at the aggregate and, ok, 47. But what does that 47 mean when you also got this amount of box office? What do these things mean? It’s information. I am in the know. I won’t play myself. If you are a critic on a level, I probably know you and understand your politics.”

I don't speak pseudo intellectual nigger so most of this sails over my head.

Well, what it means is that this film is not making money and will likely lose the studio money, Majors. That’s what it means, regardless of whether the RT score from critics is 47 or 97.

 

[Uranus Pink]

There is some canon conflicts between MCU and AoS, in Iron Man 1 Tony done the "this is his life model decoy" routine when answering the door bell and finding out who rang it.

 

[Milkshake Sniffer]

It's true that Hollywood can't find and rely on star power to drive the box office anymore. Tom Cruise is the closest but he's no guarantee; remember "The Mummy". Similarly RDJ has had his fails; Dolittle.

There's probably a few reasons.
Some we get to see as charisma free thoroughly unpleasant arseholes such as Brie Larson or Jennifer Lawrence. In previous generations we didn't see as much of them and what we saw was more controlled. Related to that a disturbing proportion of these people and those behind them are deliberately antagonistic and offensive to large parts of the potential audience. A number of the MCU cast are in this category including Larson (again), Ruffalo and Evans. That's not going to build up a wide audience with affection to the actor/actress as opposed to the role being played.

Then there's the issue that whilst the studios want marketable star power in the context of the current movie being released they don't want it more generally. They want people attached to the IP/character with the ability to swap new cheaper (more diverse) actors into the existing character/IP without adversely affecting audiences. The studios want the power over the actor, not the other way round.

There's another studio driven issue which is "current writing". The MCU is a great example of this. Take Elizabeth Olson (if only!). As far as I'm aware she's never gone out to offend audiences or said or done something terminally dumb. There's a series that Wired does with celebs reading internet questions from cards and answering. It's the one that gave the world Brie Larson's "Is that a personal attack?" clip. Compare and contrast Larson's with Olson's. Olson comes across as delightful. Can't say the same for Larson. Olson is a perfectly good actress and has that old school charm and charisma in spades - look at the early episodes of WandaVision. However..... her character is not written as a human. In her early MCU material we had a coherent backstory and redemption arc. By WandaVision we had an all powerful psychopath kidnapping and torturing a town and the writer tries to tell the audience that this is all OK because she's grieving. By Dr Strange 2 she's a malevolent irrational inconsistent psycho willing to destroy universes in her quest for her fantasy family that never actually existed. "Current day" writers either can't or won't write characters consistently with basic fundamental human behaviour and that harms an audience's ability to empathise with the character and, by association, the actress.

And so to Jonathon Majors as Kang the Conqueror; the character that has to be the big bad to eclipse Thanos for the next ten(?) years. He's not so much Kang the Conqueror as Kang the Constant Failure. He's the Wile E Coyote of the MCU but without Wile E's charm, charisma or character development. Who empathises with this incoherent bozo? And he's already following the Simu Lui example of behaving like an arsehole playing the big shot who's always right and everyone else is wrong as his film (supposedly crucial and pivotal to the future of the MCU) crashes and burns. Yup; this'll end well!

 

[starborn427614]

And Ms. Marvel has... *shrug*

There's "Thomas Edison" aka The Inventor. He'd be a lot more entertaining than those terrible crystal dimension idiots from the show.

 

[ZMOT]

There's no hope for Punisher in the MCU. They couldn't even get him right on Netflix for the most part.

punisher was always hard to get right (and I say that as someone who liked warzone), outright impossible with the pussified audiences and studios of [current year]. not to mention the thought of possibly idolizing a vigilante who kills pedos and other scum has them piss their pants, some alt-right chud may take that as inspiration.

Actually looking at the lists, Superman's rogues make up about the same amount as the entirety of Marvel. That is, very sad. I will admit to being more of a DC fan, but I have watched a lot of Marvel material as well, which makes it sad how unmemorable most of the antagonists were.

to be fair, marvel was always know more for it's heroes, DC more for it's villains (before even counting straight up alternate versions to not get sued).

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

punisher was always hard to get right (and I say that as someone who liked warzone), outright impossible with the pussified audiences and studios of [current year]. not to mention the thought of possibly idolizing a vigilante who kills pedos and other scum has them piss their pants, some alt-right chud may take that as inspiration.

Oh, I agree. My problem with the Netflix shows was that they would get so close like him telling the ghost of his wife he was home before brutally murdering Rawlings only to then try to humanize him by having him go to PTSD meetings and constantly trying to have him "move on" from being the Punisher.

The Punisher was always toned down for crossovers in the comics, so him not murdering people left and right or not being as brutal wouldn't bother me so much, but I honestly feel that if he isn't treated as a pure antagonist the MCU is going to do even more goofy shit to humanize him for whatever.