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I miss the time when superheroes actually interacted with the "real" world. All this alternate universe shit is just cgi overdose.
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He was but it wasnt the focus of the stories, it was all happening in the background unless it directly tied to it like with Guardians of the Galaxy. We always got reminded that Thanos is out there and he is coming, not only that but he already has the Infinity Gauntlet, all he needs are the stones (so we know he is coming after Dr Strange and Vision eventually for example).
I guess one could argue that the Thanos that we saw in the post credit scenes was more akin to his comic book self and Infinity War is the one where they decided to have Thanos come off less as a classic comic book villain and more of a flawed humanized very determined big purple man that is the villain but you almost wish he wasnt. I mean, what other MCU villain is as quotable as Thanos? Sure, I guess you can find one or two of a very few ones but nearly anything Thanos said, even if wrong by our standards, felt real and engaging. He legit showed respect to anyone trying to stop him, especially if they came close to do so. He respects their determination the same way we respect his. Besides, the small smug smile he gives to Thor when he says he should have gone for the head was just priceless. It almost framed like the good guy pulling his trump card against the arrogant villain who thought he had already won.
Dont be mistaken, most events in Phase 1-3 tied back to him one way or the other. Nearly all events in Phase 4 dont tie to Kang at all and Im going to assume that any that eventually do will be thanks to retcons brought over by the next phases in totally not an example of damage control to Phase 4's very mediocre reception.
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He didn't appear until Avengers, but he cast a long shadow over the Guardians movies (does he even appear in the second one?) Moreover, many of the movies that didn't involve him directly still involved his chosen tools, the Infinity Stones, so they were part of his story even when he doesn't appear. Kang doesn't appear at all except in Loki, and that version of him dies, so what's the setup exactly? Multiverse fuckery whose rules vary wildly depending on which movie or show you're watching?
For all the deserved stick it got, I honestly think Eternals was the phase 4 property that damaged the larger story the least- the Celestials follow this ineffable cosmic agenda and have instructed their agents, the Eternals, not to interfere. Its stupid "because I say so" writing, but at least it doesn't actively contradict what came before.
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No appearance in the 2nd GotG movie but the movie is relevant in relation to Thanos. If going with the idea that Ego was one of the handful of beings on his own capable of stopping and/or killing Thanos. If Thanos had made himself enough of a nuisance or threat for Ego to notice that he needs to be dealt with permanently.
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Remember, he was also the impetus for Nebula to get involved in the plot: she thought that if she captured the Guardians, she could use the money to procure a weapon to kill him (apparently there are cosmic cubes on space-Ebay)
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The closest you'll get to that is with Captain America now. I was going to reference Ms. Marvel, but even that had the crystalline dimension bit.
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It does retroactively make Thanos the hero of the MCU, though, since him wiping out half the population directly stops the Celestial from being born and destroying the Earth. And probably likewise on countless other worlds. Which then makes the Avengers the villains, if by accident.
In fact, the whole dead Celestial on Earth is a bit of an issue itself, given that just the head of a celestial was worth mining for resources by advanced alien civilizations in the first GOTG film; I'd expect an armada to head to Earth to claim an entire body, even it is turned to stone or whatever happened at the end of Eternals. At the very least, you'd expect it be mentioned in more than a blink-and-you-miss-it news headline on a computer screen during a random episode of She Hulk.
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It kinda did when they introduced Ajax into the mix. It was further perpetuated when Adam Warlock was recently introduced. Why do this now when Thanos is already dead?
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Kang kinda looks like George Floyd here. He has those big fat lips.
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Maybe? I suppose it depends on whether disrupting the celestial lifecycle is a bad thing or not, since apparently they keep the universe running at the macro scale. And assuming that the time it would take the population to rebound even matters to them. As for the head, it got turned to stone, so I assume it's justade of conventional matter, though it does leave the loose plot thread of a giant fucking head and hand sticking out of the south China sea where it wasn't before.
I have no idea and I don't think they do either.
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I suspect the lack of references towards The Eternals is a tad intentional since Marvel/Disney is very much aware that its one of their lowest ranked/box office earnings movie so I dont know if maybe that didnt affect their ultimate significance in the overall story.
But then again, I can imagine that these are just to maybe keep the fans of super hero teams satisfied while they try to find the least needlessly convoluded way of introducing the Fantastic Four and X-Men into an universe that should of had introduced them earlier realistically (giving that Reed Richard's first appearance was gettting spaghetti-ed by the Scarlet Witch, who knows what they actually have in mind).
Giving them the huge benefit of the doubt, I guess it could imply more of the infinity saga or at least some aspects of its "sequels". Honestly, introducing Adam now feels too little too late, just like introducing Ant Man after the avengers when he should have been a founding member.
The issue of an interconnected universe like this is when you do these literally massive things and it doesnt get properly referenced and explored in the grand scheme of its universe of characters and settings. It reeks of Phase 4's "throw everything at the wall and see what sticks" attitude.
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The issue of this particular interconnected universe is that it adds four plot threads for each one it ends, and one of those four is inevitably a knockoff/replacement of the one that just ended. You have this ungodly number of characters and storylines and concepts all of which are connected to each other in one way or another, and you couldn't keep them all straight at this point if you tried. Consider that it's been 4 years since Endgame, and the MCU has yet to address the fact that consequence-free time travel is just a thing now. Their only attempt was Loki, but that brake on abusing time travel got killed off within the confines of that show, so...
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I hate these kinds of trailers. They are the new norm in capeshit, where they gotta show you at least a few scenes of each act of the movie, with whatever pop song cover as background.
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I think their "solution" is to kind of solve these things in a less bombastic way that they actually deserve/were setup to be. The "beauty" of having Disney Plus is that they can address these things and solve them there in a far lesser scale. Its throwing hot towels into the problem as its clear that they are writing post Phase 3 on the fly for the most part. They see what stuck well enough and use that for the movies instead of what maybe they originally had in mind.
I mean, we already have a lot of loose threads just by going with the movies but if we add the Disney plus shows, it becomes an even bigger mess only rivaled by its own source material (tho its far easier to get away with it in comics than with this). All of these threads feel like they want to be the next big step towards the next big thing but they fall flat. At least with the first three phases we had mostly standalone stories that could be melded together into a single narrative when you followed all chronologically.
I almost dare say the Disney Plus shows are only argurably canon since, outside of the ocassional reference, they are very irrelevant to the movies. Oh sure, Dr Strange referenced Wandavision with a passing mention of the horrible things she did (and doesnt properly react with horror because he just handwaves it as "it all worked out in the end" and then acts shocked when Wanda reveals she is the villain...what a genius). The Disney Plus shows only matter when the movies need them to. And even then, its mostly going to be just the character, a passing reference to something that happened in their show, and moving on. So dont expect the events of, like, Moon Knight being a significant deal in the movies until suddenly they decide that it is (even tho M.K's climax seemed pretty fucking big, literally, to not get mentioned at all until they feel like it).
It cheapens the universe and its storytelling but hey, Im sure Disney's plan at this point is keeping the MCU going as much as they can until they have an excuse to reboot it all because thats how its done in the comics as well (probably using it as an excuse to have the X-Men and Fantastic Four already there from the very beginning, Im sure the soy boy fans would clap for that).
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It could be that's what's happening - every director is trying to be promoted to fill the spot of the guys responsible for the original storyline. Rather than Disney grasping to find what works, it's a group of (mostly) nepotistic hacks trying to become the new top dog.
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What's wrong with Hensworth? Him and Pratt are the only youngish actors with any sort of star power and it pales hard compared to prior generations.
I just don't get why they don't just go full cg at this point. Nobody gives half a fuck about most of the actors anyway so it's not like having them around is much of an asset.
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Hensworth found out he has a genetic condition that makes the likelyhood of alzeimers developting later in his life significantly higher than the average person. Now it is not a guarantee it will happen but the chance is there either way and he wants to at least take easier with hollywood so he can spend more time with his family while he can still remember them in case the worst comes to happen. Its a very tragic and scary situation to be in and I wouldnt blame him for wanting to drop everything and go spend as much time as you can with your wife and children.
So its likely Chris isnt sticking around in the MCU for long anymore, doesnt help he says he isnt into Thor as much anymore, almost like when he finished Dark World...Ragnarok and the two infinity movies gave him a boost but he is running out of investment again.
MODOK is one of those villains where there is no way you can do a live action of him without looking painfully comical.
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Harsh. Hope he makes the best of it then and focus on what's actually important.
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I think they could've done some body-horror stuff with MODOK, make him look like an experiment out of a horror movie... but there's no way the MCU was ever going to do that. Even then, though, just CGI'ing the actors face plainly on the body is fucking lazy.