Marvel Cinematic Universe

[cornycat]

Dont know if this was posted already.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

My friend who is a massive MCU stan called me up today because I guess he thought I was the only person he could "confide" in as he knows I've grown tired of the MCU.

He shockingly didn't like No Way Home. Or, he didn't seem to like it. He kept talking about all the things he didn't like about it, which was about everything, but kept on saying that it was "still good" as if he was convincing himself.

He generally seems upset at the idea of Disney just pulling in shit from the Fox/Sony movies now, and is worried about the multiverse shit just being rehashes of old shit lol

This really surprised me tbh. He's the kind of dude who told people Eternals was good.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

I finally saw Spider-Man tonight, so I want to share some thoughts.

Prior to seeing the movie, I thought the film would be fantastic, but honestly, I am pretty underwhelmed. I don’t hate the film, but it feels painfully mediocre. It has fantastic scenes, but the pacing of the film is really bad in my opinion. Too many scenes feel rushed or brushed over, while others take an eternity. This film is best described as a Holland Spider-Man with the multiverse stuff feeling like background noise rather than integral to the plot, which is weird.

The film brought back 5 pretty iconic villains, yet it feels like most are barely a presence. Lizard got shafted hard in this film, he doesn’t even have an interaction with his Spider-Man. Lizard could have been written out and nothing would change. He starts the film captured, does nothing throughout the cure portion, and just gets taken out by Holland Spider-Man in a bitch way. He really contributed nothing to the picture overall, and I really feel like there were missing scenes with him that should have taken place over Strange just going, “yeah, I found him.”

Goblin also felt somewhat shafted, which is weird given his main villain status. Is it wrong to feel like there should have been a scene of Holland fighting him on the bridge? The film has him cause trouble then says fuck that and transports to the next scene with no resolution. His dark side appearing also felt like it happened way too early. I remember getting to that scene and was like, “ohhh, we are already doing this?” The movie just felt like it had little time.

Ock, Sandman, and Electro were fine tbh. They had great scenes, but also felt like they were barely a part of things. Doc was probably handled the best given that he seems to have gotten the most time, a genuine nice moment with Peter, and Molina just being a damn good actor.


As for the Holland Spider stuff, it dragged hard. Aunt May’s death took so long to wrap up. I get it was an emotional moment, but they really did not need to hold on it for so long. It doesn’t help that afterwards we get funny scenes of the alternate Spider-Mans, which, like Goblin, felt way too quick to happen. The stuff with MJ also dragged ass and just halted the movie in my opinion.

Also, did anyone else feel like Tobey hated being there, he could not sound more disinterested and done. Meanwhile Garfield is the Spider-Man that really steals the show and seems so happy to be back.

This movie confuses me. The acting is great and the callbacks are really heartfelt, but the crossover aspect seems very limited and takes a back seat to the MCU bullshit. I just found little investment in the film outside of the returning stuff. I pretty much wanted Holland and friends to get the fuck off the screen when they appeared as I could care less about the MCU at this point. This movie is great for scenes, but as an actual movie, I feel it is the dullest of the MCU Spidey.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

My friend who is a massive MCU stan called me up today because I guess he thought I was the only person he could "confide" in as he knows I've grown tired of the MCU.

He shockingly didn't like No Way Home. Or, he didn't seem to like it. He kept talking about all the things he didn't like about it, which was about everything, but kept on saying that it was "still good" as if he was convincing himself.

He generally seems upset at the idea of Disney just pulling in shit from the Fox/Sony movies now, and is worried about the multiverse shit just being rehashes of old shit lol

This really surprised me tbh. He's the kind of dude who told people Eternals was good.

If it ends here, then it's good. If it starts a trend, it's bad.

I'm fairly convinced this was a one time deal and only due to unique circumstances. I really don't think the FoX-Men shit is realistic due to the most/only popular actor in that specific franchise is dead in universe and has said he's done with the character in general. The only other "multiverse" shit they're talking about now is America Chavez, who they own outright and is a blank slate they can do anything with.

This movie confuses me. The acting is great and the callbacks are really heartfelt, but the crossover aspect seems very limited and takes a back seat to the MCU bullshit. I just found little investment in the film outside of the returning stuff. I pretty much wanted Holland and friends to get the fuck off the screen when they appeared as I could care less about the MCU at this point. This movie is great for scenes, but as an actual movie, I feel it is the dullest of the MCU Spidey.

Hard disagree. I loved that they fought the, as far as I could see, obvious urge to just derail the characters storyarc to make it HELLA FUCKIN EPIC!, throw everything at the wall retardery. They did a very good job at actually incorporating Tobey and Andrew as characters and not props, but I was relieved to see the overall focus stay on the actual character they tried building.

 

[Uranus Pink]

American Chavez is not a blank slate Disney can change nilly-willy unless they get rid of the head of Marvel comics first.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

American Chavez is not a blank slate Disney can change nilly-willy unless they get rid of the head of Marvel comics first.

As if people read the comics these days.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Some other things on Spider-Man…

Why did Sandman need to be cured? He was forgiven and was considered good by the end of his film while maintaining his powers. Even in this film he just wanted to go home but Holland held him hostage. Also, him drowning his Peter seemed wildly out of character.

My dad brought this up, but how does Happy remember Aunt May, or Strange know about this spell for the next film? The Peter connection is pretty integral to both things, so how could Peter be wiped out completely?

If it ends here, then it's good. If it starts a trend, it's bad.

I'm fairly convinced this was a one time deal and only due to unique circumstances. I really don't think the FoX-Men shit is realistic due to the most/only popular actor in that specific franchise is dead in universe and has said he's done with the character in general. The only other "multiverse" shit they're talking about now is America Chavez, who they own outright and is a blank slate they can do anything with.

I think the Doctor Strange film is supposed to continue doing multiverse shit. I think someone here mentioned Tobey returning. There have also been wants and rumors for this to be the event that brings back the X-Men and old Fantastic 4. Also, I believe Hugh said he would be down to return for the MCU and nothing else.

Hard disagree. I loved that they fought the, as far as I could see, obvious urge to just derail the characters storyarc to make it HELLA FUCKIN EPIC!, throw everything at the wall retardery. They did a very good job at actually incorporating Tobey and Andrew as characters and not props, but I was relieved to see the overall focus stay on the actual character they tried building.

I can understand that, but even then, it felt like not a lot of time was properly focused on anything. Things in the film either felt super long or way too quick. The Aunt May death should have been shortened down, take out the retarded scene of Happy driving up and getting arrested as it dragged the scene out to long. The stuff with Zendeya at the end also dragged as it was just stilted Parker for a few minutes. They also should have limited the Strange stuff more. This film wants to be a crossover movie, yet stuff like Green Goblin attacking the bridge just gets canned right as it happens, and I swear Lizard should have been in the movie longer till edits as he has no purpose. As is, the movie feels disjointed.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I finally saw Spider-Man tonight, so I want to share some thoughts.

Prior to seeing the movie, I thought the film would be fantastic, but honestly, I am pretty underwhelmed. I don’t hate the film, but it feels painfully mediocre. It has fantastic scenes, but the pacing of the film is really bad in my opinion. Too many scenes feel rushed or brushed over, while others take an eternity. This film is best described as a Holland Spider-Man with the multiverse stuff feeling like background noise rather than integral to the plot, which is weird.

The film brought back 5 pretty iconic villains, yet it feels like most are barely a presence. Lizard got shafted hard in this film, he doesn’t even have an interaction with his Spider-Man. Lizard could have been written out and nothing would change. He starts the film captured, does nothing throughout the cure portion, and just gets taken out by Holland Spider-Man in a bitch way. He really contributed nothing to the picture overall, and I really feel like there were missing scenes with him that should have taken place over Strange just going, “yeah, I found him.”

Goblin also felt somewhat shafted, which is weird given his main villain status. Is it wrong to feel like there should have been a scene of Holland fighting him on the bridge? The film has him cause trouble then says fuck that and transports to the next scene with no resolution. His dark side appearing also felt like it happened way too early. I remember getting to that scene and was like, “ohhh, we are already doing this?” The movie just felt like it had little time.

Ock, Sandman, and Electro were fine tbh. They had great scenes, but also felt like they were barely a part of things. Doc was probably handled the best given that he seems to have gotten the most time, a genuine nice moment with Peter, and Molina just being a damn good actor.


As for the Holland Spider stuff, it dragged hard. Aunt May’s death took so long to wrap up. I get it was an emotional moment, but they really did not need to hold on it for so long. It doesn’t help that afterwards we get funny scenes of the alternate Spider-Mans, which, like Goblin, felt way too quick to happen. The stuff with MJ also dragged ass and just halted the movie in my opinion.

Also, did anyone else feel like Tobey hated being there, he could not sound more disinterested and done. Meanwhile Garfield is the Spider-Man that really steals the show and seems so happy to be back.

This movie confuses me. The acting is great and the callbacks are really heartfelt, but the crossover aspect seems very limited and takes a back seat to the MCU bullshit. I just found little investment in the film outside of the returning stuff. I pretty much wanted Holland and friends to get the fuck off the screen when they appeared as I could care less about the MCU at this point. This movie is great for scenes, but as an actual movie, I feel it is the dullest of the MCU Spidey.

I do really like the film and could understand your points. I do disagree on Goblin being shafted as while I do think he should've at least had one or two more scenes (like have a fight on the bridge where he escapes and maybe one with the Norman side expressing remorse), he was one of the best aspects of the film as the screentime he had is elevated by Dafoe's performance which is on par or exceeds his performance in the original film. But I do think the issue with this film for some people like yourself was due to the hype which has also been said for Spiderverse since the major hype between both can definitely deflate your enjoyment of the film due to high expectations.

Since this was in another post, I would rather mention it, for the Sandman thing it seems that based on the fact he never turned human once it's probably implied at some point after Spider-Man 3 he could never turn human again? I really don't know, he really should've had an extra scene but I guess he was there for the setpieces and probably for the same reason Lizard was there (who had been cured in his movie) which is just due to how the remaining villain choices they had in the Raimi and Webbverse really wouldn't have worked (since Raimi's Venom is too much of a prick and Nu-Goblin is trash and redundant when Dafoe is here)

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

I do disagree on Goblin being shafted as while I do think he should've at least had one or two more scenes (like have a fight on the bridge where he escapes and maybe one with the Norman side expressing remorse), he was one of the best aspects of the film as the screentime he had is elevated by Dafoe's performance which is on par or exceeds his performance in the original film.

The bridge scene really got to me personally as I was confused as to why it was there. It really ruins the Goblin with its presence. I hate how the film has him fly in like there is supposed to be a big fight scene only to cut to Strange, like, they are really just going to leave the Goblin out there to wreck havoc, is no one questioning this? I believe it also hurts the darker side reveal. We have already seen the Goblin in action, we know he is evil. They probably could have handled the character better if it started with him ditching the Goblin mask, then the reveal would feel more natural as the Goblin has been a good boy since he got to this new dimension. If not that, then actually follow through on depicting his initial attack and build on that, as is it gives of Amazing 2 Rhino vibes as just being there for trailer bait.

Defoe is a great actor, but the beginning of the film really hurt the villains past Ock, Sandman and Electro. Lizard did jack shit till the Goblin attack, and Goblin feels like he had scenes ripped out thanks to the bridge. I guess I shouldn’t say Goblin was shafted in the film, more like the first half pushed him to the side when more probably should have been done to better set him up.

But I do think the issue with this film for some people like yourself was due to the hype which has also been said for Spiderverse since the major hype between both can definitely deflate your enjoyment of the film due to high expectations.

I watched Spider-Verse under the same circumstances, saw it late when the hype was already there, and never felt the film was underwhelming. I feel like the plot of that film was a lot better structured and the pacing was better. I think the key thing was that Spider-Verse knew what to focus on at a given time and made things very coherent. No Way Home just has way too much going on, yet little at all. The stuff with Strange takes a lot of focus away from stuff that should probably be better developed. Happy also drags the film with his presence/non-presence. Time that I feel Peter should be interacting with these new foes is wasted dicking around with MCU shit that barely adds anything. I also felt that scenes dragged on, comparing Uncle Aaron’s death to Aunt May, May’s just feels like it will not end. With Aaron we get a lot more going on and in a shorter time, Miles takes him away from the action, they have a talk, and the sad death happens. With May, we get a she is not dead even though she should be, then a talk, then Spider-Man cries for awhile, then Happy comes and drags shit out longer with his arrest, then it continues even further with Spider-Man having the big sad while looking at the screen. I watched through May’s death circling my finger as I just wanted them to move on, cut out Happy and have May say her lines under the rumble before passing and the scene would have played out much smoother. The pacing in Spider-Verse was just so much quicker and more impactful than No Way Home.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The bridge scene really got to me personally as I was confused as to why it was there. It really ruins the Goblin with its presence. I hate how the film has him fly in like there is supposed to be a big fight scene only to cut to Strange, like, they are really just going to leave the Goblin out there to wreck havoc, is no one questioning this? I believe it also hurts the darker side reveal. We have already seen the Goblin in action, we know he is evil. They probably could have handled the character better if it started with him ditching the Goblin mask, then the reveal would feel more natural as the Goblin has been a good boy since he got to this new dimension. If not that, then actually follow through on depicting his initial attack and build on that, as is it gives of Amazing 2 Rhino vibes as just being there for trailer bait.

Defoe is a great actor, but the beginning of the film really hurt the villains past Ock, Sandman and Electro. Lizard did jack shit till the Goblin attack, and Goblin feels like he had scenes ripped out thanks to the bridge. I guess I shouldn’t say Goblin was shafted in the film, more like the first half pushed him to the side when more probably should have been done to better set him up.

I think the bridge scene was probably shot for the trailer since it had that energy so it probably was that. But yeah Dafoe just really needed more time, but goblin was just enjoyable as is in the film with some extra stuff for further enhancement but that's just me.

I watched Spider-Verse under the same circumstances, saw it late when the hype was already there, and never felt the film was underwhelming. I feel like the plot of that film was a lot better structured and the pacing was better. I think the key thing was that Spider-Verse knew what to focus on at a given time and made things very coherent. No Way Home just has way too much going on, yet little at all. The stuff with Strange takes a lot of focus away from stuff that should probably be better developed. Happy also drags the film with his presence/non-presence. Time that I feel Peter should be interacting with these new foes is wasted dicking around with MCU shit that barely adds anything. I also felt that scenes dragged on, comparing Uncle Aaron’s death to Aunt May, May’s just feels like it will not end. With Aaron we get a lot more going on and in a shorter time, Miles takes him away from the action, they have a talk, and the sad death happens. With May, we get a she is not dead even though she should be, then a talk, then Spider-Man cries for awhile, then Happy comes and drags shit out longer with his arrest, then it continues even further with Spider-Man having the big sad while looking at the screen. I watched through May’s death circling my finger as I just wanted them to move on, cut out Happy and have May say her lines under the rumble before passing and the scene would have played out much smoother. The pacing in Spider-Verse was just so much quicker and more impactful than No Way Home.

I think it's due to the natural advantage Spider-Verse perhaps had in that it was not really connected to anything else. Both No Way Home and Spiderverse are multiverse movies dealing with multiple Spider-Men but Spiderverse had the advantage of really being confined to villains from one universe and could be watched with only some knowledge of the Spider-Man character where as No Way Home pretty much requires you to have been familiar with all live action iterations of Spidey and the MCU as a whole which does drag it a little. But personally I do think both films do suffer from the hype, but No Way Home probably suffers worse from hype since it's hype was pretty much there from the beginning due to the premise alone along with the constant leaks whereas Spider-Verse had it's hype come from the post-release period.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

I think the bridge scene was probably shot for the trailer since it had that energy so it probably was that. But yeah Dafoe just really needed more time, but goblin was just enjoyable as is in the film with some extra stuff for further enhancement but that's just me.

I cannot hate on you for liking in. The performance was good, I just feel the character was rushed. When he finally turned to Goblin, it left me surprised that it happened so soon. He was bound to turn but the movie gave little time to really digest before just snapping and saying this is happening now. The villains in general just felt rushed in, like we should have had more time focusing on them.

I think it's due to the natural advantage Spider-Verse perhaps had in that it was not really connected to anything else. Both No Way Home and Spiderverse are multiverse movies dealing with multiple Spider-Men but Spiderverse had the advantage of really being confined to villains from one universe and could be watched with only some knowledge of the Spider-Man character where as No Way Home pretty much requires you to have been familiar with all live action iterations of Spidey and the MCU as a whole which does drag it a little.

I would disagree. I think Spider-Verse had a better central theme and the story was much better structured to build around said theme. The idea of anyone can be Spider-Man was well done in Spider-Verse as we spend time on three different Spider adaptations and get nice bonding and connecting between them to drive the central point home, the extra Spider-Man adaptations at the end just helped further that point and Mile’s development. In No Way Home, I assume the central theme is redemption or some form of seeing villains as people to help. Aunt May drives it into Peter that he needs to stop being a selfish prick and use his powers to help those that seem lost. Taking this theme into consideration, having the villains be from previous movies should actually make No Way Home an easier film to develop as these characters have already been depicted as misunderstood. The problem is that No Way Home does little to use these villains for the theme. Norman being sympathetic is not very well shown. Lizard fits this theme very well, yet gets little to no use and Electro doesn’t really get to share his experience too much either. Ock is the only one that I feel they make full use of, we get to see his doubts, why he is evil, and nice scenes of him being the better man. He is a hero throughout half the film, which adds to May’s idea. Sandman also fits the idea till the end when he becomes a raging tard that tries to drown the Spider-Man he actually is friends with. With better writing, Sandman should have been the one to chase Ned and MJ over Lizard, avoiding the Spider-Mans as he has no beef with them and focusing on the object that will get him home. I will give Electro credit on having a nice scene with Garfield at the very least, but he does still feel rushed in.

I feel like a better structured plot would be to have Holland fix the villains on a scale and work his way up. Sandman should just be good from the beginning, or very close to it, but maybe explain that he was not always to Holland, just to start the idea that not all of them are bad. Octavious and Lizard should be a tier 2, evil but with heroic intentions that Holland can fix to his side. Again, adding to the idea that villains can be saved. Electro would come next as, and maybe he can be interesting to explore as he wants the attention Holland has, for everyone to see him. Finally Goblin as the final fuck to cross off the list. I can honestly think of two interesting ways to handle him. Either have Goblin kill May to throw Holland off edge and in need of restraint, or have a New Yorker kill May as a result of Spider-Man being outed at the beginning of the film. If a rando kills May, Goblin can lead Holland on with his speech from 1 where he says that inevitably the people will hate you for all you do, tempting him to be darker. Either way, Goblin will be an evil bastard that makes it hard for Holland to do right, putting him in need of input from the other villains and Spider-Mans. IDK, just throwing out ideas. These villains can and should really fit the narrative presented but they do the bare minimum to such a point that I feel like it is missed opportunity and just poor writing.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

American Chavez is not a blank slate Disney can change nilly-willy unless they get rid of the head of Marvel comics first.

They've altered her dramatically in the books like three times, and as none of them were particularly popular there's no reason they won't do it a fourth.

"Dimension hopping gay Mexican". That's all America Chavez is, and with them casting a 13 year old for the movies they'll likely drop even that.

 

[UnKillFill]

Some other things on Spider-Man…

Why did Sandman need to be cured? He was forgiven and was considered good by the end of his film while maintaining his powers. Even in this film he just wanted to go home but Holland held him hostage. Also, him drowning his Peter seemed wildly out of character.

I don't know why he needed to be "cured," but Sandman being *forgiven* was one of the biggest pieces of bullshit in the already worst Spiderman movie of all time. He's one of the few Spidey villains who actually deserved to die if you ask me.

 

[Nero You're DeadWeight]

I don't know why he needed to be "cured," but Sandman being *forgiven* was one of the biggest pieces of bullshit in the already worst Spiderman movie of all time. He's one of the few Spidey villains who actually deserved to die if you ask me.

I don't think so. Sandman didn't really do anything? He just happened to be wrong place wrong time and got FUBAR'D. If anything he only joined Venom out of necessity. Mainly cause he was like "oh another guy kinda like me, alright well I got nothing better to do i'll join you I guess. Anything if it'll help me figure out how to see my daughter / let my daughter see me."
He's evil by necessity, not choice and doesn't deserve to die. I think the whole thing with his back story could've been handled better if anything, but Spider Man 3's theme is more like "forgiveness" even if it kinda is like via asspulls a little.

Personally I love that movie, so maybe that's just the red tinted glasses.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I don't think so. Sandman didn't really do anything? He just happened to be wrong place wrong time and got FUBAR'D. If anything he only joined Venom out of necessity. Mainly cause he was like "oh another guy kinda like me, alright well I got nothing better to do i'll join you I guess. Anything if it'll help me figure out how to see my daughter / let my daughter see me."
He's evil by necessity, not choice and doesn't deserve to die. I think the whole thing with his back story could've been handled better if anything, but Spider Man 3's theme is more like "forgiveness" even if it kinda is like via asspulls a little.

Personally I love that movie, so maybe that's just the red tinted glasses.

Spider-Man 3 was really fun to watch, it's issues really stemmed from the plot becoming a mess due to how Sam Raimi was forced to put in Venom due to studio demand.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

> Have your dad’s death viewable on the news so that everyone knows he was Green Goblin.
> Not know your dad was Green Goblin till the 3rd movie.

Was Harry a dumbass?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

> Have your dad’s death viewable on the news so that everyone knows he was Green Goblin.
> Not know your dad was Green Goblin till the 3rd movie.

Was Harry a dumbass?

tbf I think Doctor Octopus knew due to putting two and two together while by the time of three ending, it probably was public knowledge.

Also even if Harry knew, he probably would still hate Spider-Man for killing his father even if he was a supervillain since he found out at the end of Spider-Man 2 when he found the secret stash Norman had behind.

 

[Nero You're DeadWeight]

> Have your dad’s death viewable on the news so that everyone knows he was Green Goblin.
> Not know your dad was Green Goblin till the 3rd movie.

Was Harry a dumbass?

The entire trilogy hinges on Harry being retarded tbh but it's still pretty enjoyable.

Honestly if I was Harry my initial thought would be "Spiderman did you fuck my dad" cause I just find it weird Norman's buttass naked and wrapped with a sheet over him, like damn can't even put a shirt or something on him Pete? Like even when Norman had his first goblin experience he was shirtless, but then when he's passed out on the floor at home he's dressed.

Personally I have a headcannon that any time the news bout Norman bein the goblin or how he died is brought up, there's always some type of interruption so Harry doesn't hear it which just makes shit really funny.

"Master Osborn we need to talk about how your father died"
"Yea sure"
"So Spiderman didn't kill your father, he died via-"
LOUD BLENDER NOISES
"He what?"
"....nevermind i'll tell you later."

Like i'm sure there was an autopsy, Harry could afford one for sure, so either the butler covered all this shit up for expositions sake, or Harry is really that fucking stupid.

He's still charming so i'll take it.

 

[Neil]

I just saw that America Chavez has been announced to be in the new Dr. Strange movie. Marvel has to neuter their films HARD for China so at the very least the remnants of Gabby Rivera's raping of the character won't be too obvious here. It's fucking crazy how the MCU is the best chance Marvel has at redeeming characters that 2015 tumblr era Marvel fucked up on their first go-around.

Fingers crossed that they won't Captain Marvel FemThor. Not too much hope for that, though.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

The Harry storyline from Raimi-Man is a lot like the retarded RACHEL!!!!! storyline from the Baleman movies. It sounds retarded on paper and is even more retarded in action, yet a studio spent millions of dollars bringing it to life.