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How is the new Supes? Do we finally have a non shit capeshit in current year?
I loved it! I'm a big Superman fan and I feel like it hit all the right beats for his supporting cast, himself and Luthor. Also had a lot of extra characters, which made me worried the movie would feel too busy, but it kind of just didn't. Guy Gardner is perfect in it.

They said it was based on All-Star Superman and you can really tell.
 
I have a question, and I know it will probably sound stupid. As much as I don't want to defend Ironheart, but how much attention was paid by the general public to the origins of the Iron Man costume that Riri, or anyone else for that matter, would know that it was build with "a box of scraps"?

Like, I'm not sure it wouldn't be a reasonable assumption that an Iron Man suit got built because Stark had the money to do it. I just feel like a dead horse got beaten over something that quite frankly, happens all the time.

Most people don't know the origins of every single thing, even so-called "geniuses" can get tunnel vision. Even if Stark was doing interviews about the origins of the Iron Man costume, that information might have been downplayed, or ignored in favor of sensationalism, and Riri was probably a toddler, if not even born when the first Iron Man happened. Stane knew about how the original suit got built because of his involvement of the situation that got it built in the first place, but how much of that information would have made it to the general public?

I'm just saying that the loudest criticism of Ironheart is probably a little bit unfounded. The character is an asshole and a criminal regardless. It's just that it's entirely possible that most of the world knew about the versions of the Iron Man suit that got built with money, not the version that didn't.
 
I have a question, and I know it will probably sound stupid. As much as I don't want to defend Ironheart, but how much attention was paid by the general public to the origins of the Iron Man costume that Riri, or anyone else for that matter, would know that it was build with "a box of scraps"?

Like, I'm not sure it wouldn't be a reasonable assumption that an Iron Man suit got built because Stark had the money to do it. I just feel like a dead horse got beaten over something that quite frankly, happens all the time.

Most people don't know the origins of every single thing, even so-called "geniuses" can get tunnel vision. Even if Stark was doing interviews about the origins of the Iron Man costume, that information might have been downplayed, or ignored in favor of sensationalism, and Riri was probably a toddler, if not even born when the first Iron Man happened. Stane knew about how the original suit got built because of his involvement of the situation that got it built in the first place, but how much of that information would have made it to the general public?

I'm just saying that the loudest criticism of Ironheart is probably a little bit unfounded. The character is an asshole and a criminal regardless. It's just that it's entirely possible that most of the world knew about the versions of the Iron Man suit that got built with money, not the version that didn't.
Wouldn't be the first time a writer mix up things that we the audience know (because we saw them) with things that are generally known by the characters. Can't remember examples, but I remember thinking "we the audience know, not the characters".

We saw Tony doing that. People only knew what they might have heard of him telling people. It's not the same.

Also, consider that the avengers are heroes and wouldn't be rare that schools teach kids all the details of how they defeat the villains and there is some info available. Like, I can see a museum hosting an IM show and displaying "the armor he built with scraps".

When in doubt, just go with the most likely: an incompetent fool wrote this.
 
When in doubt, just go with the most likely: an incompetent fool wrote this.
There is no doubt in my mind that the MCU has been overrun by damn-near pants-shitting morons since Endgame, but there are moments when I wonder if the cadre if critics that were only too happy to pounce on the "box of scraps" thing because they're now just more inclined to dump on Marvel out of glee for doing so rather than because they care about it ever being good again.

Hell, I'm one of those people that doesn't virulently hate The Last Jedi. I just don't take gleeful enjoyment in criticizing it, and I wonder if that's really what entertainment has come to, pointing and laughing at the morons more than trying to find good entertainment.
 
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I have a question, and I know it will probably sound stupid. As much as I don't want to defend Ironheart, but how much attention was paid by the general public to the origins of the Iron Man costume that Riri, or anyone else for that matter, would know that it was build with "a box of scraps"?
In-universe? I'd imagine Tony loudly telling people that he built it out of scraps at every opportunity. And I also imagine the public for quite a while having a voracious appetite for anything Iron Man related. And don't expect that to fade over time. It would increase even more after the New York incident when he flew a nuclear missile away from several million civilians. And it would increase yet more after Tony sacrifices himself to stop Thanos and bring back half the world's population.

There's no known reason to keep it secret, the reverse in fact as it makes him look good. And immense pressure to learn everything about Stark and his story. I'm sure if you choose to you can head-canon up some reason why Tony would want to keep it secret but that's all it would be.

And for someone obsessively attempting to emulate Tony Stark as Riri is, it's even less likely that she wouldn't find out about it.

And all that said...
I'm just saying that the loudest criticism of Ironheart is probably a little bit unfounded.
I don't think it is unfounded. It's not an in-universe criticism that Riri steals stuff to make her suit or that she's unable to progress due to lack of grants. It's a viewer criticism because the viewer knows it's already established that Stark was able to do this. Riri's entire story being that she feels it's unfair because she can't accomplish the same as Stark and blaming it on his wealth, is something viewers can see is flawed.

Tony Stark - big man with a billion dollars but take that away from him and what is he?
Philanthropist genius MMA fighting life-risking hero.
 
I don't think it is unfounded. It's not an in-universe criticism that Riri steals stuff to make her suit or that she's unable to progress due to lack of grants. It's a viewer criticism because the viewer knows it's already established that Stark was able to do this. Riri's entire story being that she feels it's unfair because she can't accomplish the same as Stark and blaming it on his wealth, is something viewers can see is flawed.
To add to this: Tony Stark made something out of nothing. Whether or not anyone knew the conditions of how he did it is unimportant. She is unable to progress because instead of choosing something doable at her level, not even post-grad, she chose to try and recreate something Tony Stark created well into his life time and as a giant and genius in his field by that point.

Tony Stark is a genius. Peter Parker, while not necessarily at genius levels, has been shown to create his webslingers himself in some media.

If Riri cannot for the life of her create something "iconic" without billions, she is not a genius. She's a snail oil saleswoman.

While simple and very mundane, creations like the cooking pot are an intrinsic part of everyday life. Hell, making fire was an iconic achievement. Humanity has since built upon that. What Riri is trying to do is re-discover fire which can only be done once (much like there will only ever be one mind like Tony Stark's), rather than try and build on a smaller aspect of Tony Stark's brilliance. Like looking into his AI systems or simplifying an aspect of his suit design for more mainstream use like protective gear for hard laborers, or batteries to improve the life span of portable gadgets. Or even more durable screen covers. I'm sure peers in her age range would find her super iconic for that.
 
How is the new Supes? Do we finally have a non shit capeshit in current year?
I liked it. Didn't love it, but it's a better superhero movie than anything that has come out since Endgame except for The Batman. It's not overtly pozzed, the white guy is allowed to be a hero instead of an antihero or support character or being told to do better, there's no gay postmodern moral ambiguity, no white guilt or misandry or black girl magic. Just good and evil, right and wrong. They can't really use him as a whipping boy for white men without implying that white men are inherently superior to everyone else, so the IP is inherently inoculated against that. I wouldn't put it in the same tier as The Batman and Spiderman Homecoming, but it follows the formula that built the genre and which Marvel has been shooting themselves in the feet trying to deviate from for the last decade. Worst I can say is it's a big gunny.

I didn't love the Saiyan twist, but I get that it serves to make the character's actions his own, rather than honoring his parents or his legacy, which is necessary because the thing that makes Superman interesting isn't what he can do but what he chooses to do, and that's predicated on him being able to choose at all. It's hamfisted, but it serves its purpose.

I also don't think they did Luthor justice, but they never do, and I saw it coming when they cast Nick Hoult. It's really a shame, he has incredible potential as a villain but he keeps getting reduced to Zuckerberg or Bezos. Bananas that they've had like ten tries at a live action Lex and the best one is Ozymandias. Why Hollywood writers are under the impression that the smartest man in the world wouldn't lift despite the massive and measurable benefits to health and longevity is beyond me. Actually no it's not, it's because Hollywood writers are under the impression that they're each the smartest man in the world just like every other bugman. But that's neither here nor there.

I want it to do well just to stand as a testament that all you have to do is follow the damn formula CJ.

If you're wondering why I'm posting this here and not in the other thread, fuck you that's why.
 
How is the new Supes? Do we finally have a non shit capeshit in current year?
Big meh imo. It kinda just runs in place depending on your mileage. Lex felt a little too amateur, Guy Gardner and Terrific were fine.

The tone and attitude of the film felt like it would've been better served in the Supergirl movie. As we know, she's going to be the smelly party girl whore, so I expect that one to be worse.
 
Superman movie feels like a movie made for people who are proud of being Redditors. Which was the same style of the Guardians.

Gunn just doesn't like superheroes. At least Whedon, with all his flaws, was a comic book fan before he was a writer (Buffy was inspired by Kitty Pride, for example).
 
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The fact that the writers think that money made Tony successful is very consistent with how leftists see the world. That's why they keep saying we need more money for education. Being rich is a consequence of people having the wits to take good decisions.
Yet they also think billionaires are the cause of all the world's problems, and that they need to give others their money. Net worth? What's that?
 
While simple and very mundane, creations like the cooking pot are an intrinsic part of everyday life. Hell, making fire was an iconic achievement. Humanity has since built upon that. What Riri is trying to do is re-discover fire which can only be done once (much like there will only ever be one mind like Tony Stark's), rather than try and build on a smaller aspect of Tony Stark's brilliance. Like looking into his AI systems or simplifying an aspect of his suit design for more mainstream use like protective gear for hard laborers, or batteries to improve the life span of portable gadgets. Or even more durable screen covers. I'm sure peers in her age range would find her super iconic for that.
She even says that she could have built Iron Man suits for first responders and then doesn't do it because it won't make her famous or something. Why make millions when she can steal thousands?
 
I thought the Superman movie was okay. The casting was definitely the strongest point, especially Superman. Definitely messy and it having extensive reshoots is obvious. Still, it felt like an actual superhero movie rather than some pretentious midwit stoner ideas about Superman being a modern god like the stuff Snyder crapped out.

As for people knowing about how Tony made his first suit, the MCU has shown there's documentaries about the lives of the heroes in-universe. Plus, I can see Tony talking up his escape, both to feed his own ego and to honor that doctor's sacrifice.
 
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