Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Salt_Merchant]

Wait...Thor 4 is the "end" of Phase 4?

For real? Or is this more shit movie sites are making up?

Christ, what a lame ass phase.

i thought phases where bookended by avengers movies

so phase one was everything up to avengers

two was to age of ultron

three was tinfinity war/endgame.

 

[RockVolnutt]

i thought phases where bookended by avengers movies

so phase one was everything up to avengers

two was to age of ultron

three was tinfinity war/endgame.

Not exactly but Thor 4 isn't the end of Phase 4, that's actually going to be Fantastic Four. It can get confusing since usually Avengers movies are the 2nd to last movie for a phase. Why it's set up like this, I don't know but that's the official stance.

Phase 1-Avengers
Phase 2-Ant-Man (Right after Avengers Age of Ultron)
Phase 3-Spider-Man: Far From Home (Right after Avengers Endgame)
Phase 4-Fantastic Four (No Avengers this time)

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

So does Thor dies in the end/retire? And do they pass the torch to Portman?

No.

You can be serious and you can be comedic, but too much of the latter spoils the former. This is peak MCU formula and it seems to be grating.

The problem is there's a kernel of a good story in the movie and if they had gone for a more serious tone, it could have been really good. Instead we had to get Taito Wanktitty's forced hipster humour all through the movie and it doesn't work.

 

[Nick Obre]

traumatised enough that in the town shes king of theres a icecream shop themed around the dude who ran around and personally murdered half of the entire population?

Japan turned their nuke trauma into a franchise of gaudy monster movies, and I'm sure there's many nuclear bomb-themed products out there in the world.
Shit like this happen.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

I thought DS:MoM was the laugh fest I needed, but this film is better in all the wrong ways.

I'm "watching" this through spoilers so don't take me as an accurate source.

Spoiler: God Help Cinema

Hnggg bricc ebony mommy... Is what I would've said, but MCU doesn't know how to do muscle girls right. Seriously, I wish I just downloaded a shitpost & it's not actually like this.

A 100% serious scene of guy in a plastic superhero costume being told his girlfriend has terminal cancer. Seriously, couldn't Thor have at least worn human clothes like he did in Ragnarok when they were searching for Odin? What's worse is, it's a shit looking costume too. The costume he wore with the fur cape near the beginning of the movie honestly looked good. He should have kept it for the rest of it. And I know why they did this change To sell more action figures! Every character in the MCU gets a costume change from film to film, except here it's multiple in the same film

Sif, from the spoilers I read, is a meme for being her serious Thor 1 self. I'm actually annoyed a bit if this is true cause it means she could have been great. I’d love to see Thor with his wife & kids traveling around space, having dangerous adventures & laughs. Thor showing his kids how to be future leaders & rebuilding their home. He would be a good fun dad character if they wrote him like that. But modern Hollywood hates fathers as positive role models so we may never get that, apart from rare instances.

Also, from some other spoilers I read, Korg & his race is gay, so we have literal gay space rocks, I'm pretty sure this is a retcon too cause Korg literally says that he has a mom, & he hates her boyfriend.

What's funny is, the "gay" Korg is actually canon in the comics. This is from the 2009 marvel handbook:
“Reproduction occurs when two males sear their hands together in the lave of Mount Krona, after days of fasting and singing, the fused hands snap off, creating a new Kronan.”

Word for word what is described in this film from 13 years ago. So calling them male when they are asexual rockpiles is odd, but that is what it says. They added this to the film as a 5 second gay joke

One more thing I found out is that Valkyrie is also very bisexual in the comics & is into women. Only she is white of course. Valk had a kiss with another woman filmed for 2017 Thor film, but it was cut during editing. In the new movie she just kisses a woman's hand. She has a GF in the comics known as Dr. Annabelle Riggs, I've heard her writing is as pozzed & zoomer as imaginable.

Also, there's a Jew Hercules, TF?

There's also something like Thor uses child soldiers by giving them his powers like a shitty Shazam rip-off. There's also some kid having a troon metaphor related to GnR vocalist Axl. There's also Chris Hemsworth using nepotism to put his own daughter to carry-on his legacy.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

That costume is so shitty holy fuck

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

That costume is so shitty holy fuck

IKR, like they had a better costume before, even his somewhat casual 80's outfit is better than that.

Spoiler: Drip

 

[Saaivas]

lmao
Still curious what is the full context of the deleted tweet. I just searched for ''taika waititi transphobic'' and that was the first thing that showed up.

 

[starborn427614]

I know Feige said we'll be moving towards the proper part of Phase 4 soon, but maybe sooner rather than later would be best. I've enjoyed most of the shows, but the movies themselves have been hit and miss asides from stuff like No Way Home and surprisingly enough Shang-Chi.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Hnggg bricc ebony mommy... Is what I would've said, but MCU doesn't know how to do muscle girls right. Seriously, I wish I just downloaded a shitpost & it's not actually like this.

Did they pasted her face into a man?

A 100% serious scene of guy in a plastic superhero costume being told his girlfriend has terminal cancer.

If I cared I'd look in what films the costuming department fell to the level of WB live action series.

Also, from some other spoilers I read, Korg & his race is gay,

If a race is mono gender then it can't be gay by definition.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I know Feige said we'll be moving towards the proper part of Phase 4 soon, but maybe sooner rather than later would be best. I've enjoyed most of the shows, but the movies themselves have been hit and miss asides from stuff like No Way Home and surprisingly enough Shang-Chi.

Proper part? We've already crossed the halfway point. On;y thing of note we know is Ant-Man 3 will have more of Kang but that's it as far as connecting to the future beyond maybe Fantastic Four doing something. I think it's safe to say what we've seen so far is all Pase 4 will be.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I know Feige said we'll be moving towards the proper part of Phase 4 soon, but maybe sooner rather than later would be best. I've enjoyed most of the shows, but the movies themselves have been hit and miss asides from stuff like No Way Home and surprisingly enough Shang-Chi.

There has been like seven TV shows and this is the fucking SIXTH movie in Phase 4 and we haven't even got to the "proper" part yet?

They had no fucking idea what to do after Endgame. IIRC, Feige made a big point that Phase 4 wouldn't unify around some big thing, and now they're backpeddling and acting like they're getting to the good stuff now because people are getting tired of all this filler.

They really underestimated how much people liked the core Avengers and really underestimated how much a connecting arc made these movies popular.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

There has been like seven TV shows and this is the fucking SIXTH movie in Phase 4 and we haven't even got to the "proper" part yet?

They had no fucking idea what to do after Endgame. IIRC, Feige made a big point that Phase 4 wouldn't unify around some big thing, and now they're backpeddling and acting like they're getting to the good stuff now because people are getting tired of all this filler.

They really underestimated how much people liked the core Avengers and really underestimated how much a connecting arc made these movies popular.

Sure, but TBF, power creep is a serious issue in comic books stories like this. Thanos is dead, who's next? Galactus? Seems like the same problem Dragonball Z kept running into. So, I want to say they went with character-based stories, but only Spiderman (and arguably Scarlet Witch) worked as intended, but it's the one that set up the multiverse. Unlike that TNG episode Mike hates, the MCU actually doesn't know how to write a multiverse and is suffering under the weight of their own template.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Sure, but TBF, power creep is a serious issue in comic books stories like this. Thanos is dead, who's next? Galactus? Seems like the same problem Dragonball Z kept running into. So, I want to say they went with character-based stories, but only Spiderman (and arguably Scarlet Witch) worked as intended, but it's the one that set up the multiverse. Unlike that TNG episode Mike hates, the MCU actually doesn't know how to write a multiverse and is suffering under the weight of their own template.

Comics aren't about ever increasing powerlevels though. The MCU's completely divorced from any themes or ideas from its source material which isn't helped by them almost exclusively hiring comedy writers from shows like Rick & Morty, Community, the Office, etc. which is questionable when your source material's generally about people trying to make the best out of living in a cynical depiction of reality.

There's a lot of frustrating things about the MCU that only pass by people because they've never looked at the originals. We're already at the point where there's basically no real justifications you can make for a lot of the directions they go in. Arguing it's more accessible is becoming less of a legitimate claim unless you believe you need to read every comic ever (you don't) and the characters are written as bigger cartoons than their comic selves so it's not really "grounded".

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I went in hearing it was really bad so thinking I was in for a shit show probably made it seem better than it actually was, but I liked it way more than I expected to. It's still a slightly less good Ragnarok, though, so if you didn't like that, don't bother.

And

Spoiler

I told you niggers Portman didn't take over the character.

 

[starborn427614]

I went in hearing it was really bad so thinking I was in for a shit show probably made it seem better than it actually was, but I liked it way more than I expected to. It's still a slightly less good Ragnarok, though, so if you didn't like that, don't bother.

And

Spoiler

I told you niggers Portman didn't take over the character.

I find it harder to go back to Ragnarok as time passes. Taika's brand of comedy is funny at the time but ages like milk.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I find it harder to go back to Ragnarok as time passes. Taika's brand of comedy is funny at the time but ages like milk.

The comedic parts are pretty rough, but I feel like it did it better than like Guardians 2. L&T falls slightly more along those lines, but I'll say some of the criticisms about it being "strictly a comedy" and "like an SNL parody of MCU" are a bit overblown. Again, though, it's enough like the previous movie were if that wasn't fun, this is worse.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Spoiler

 

[That Chris Guy]

Watched Multiverse of Madness with a lady friend, who had been anticipating it since its announcement. I must say, if this is supposedly the "best" that Marvel can offer, then I can proudly say that I've missed absolutely nothing of value in skipping everything post-Endgame. It feels like it was made for a television series and is filmed the same way.

Spoiler: It sucked

Even without the glamorous multiverse nonsense, there's so much CGI even in places where practical effects could and should have been used, which means a lot of scenes held together by this cheap-looking CGI hold no weight or impact in their delivery, like the stronghold of the sorcerers. On that note, whoever was in charge of lighting needs to be fired immediately. Everything was uncharacteristically bright, even in the underground tunnels where things are supposed to be dark. Not much horror to experience when you're brighter than a lens flare.

Even putting aside Wanda being a narcissistic idiot that doesn't get the Old Yella treatment she deserves, there are so many stupid conveniences to this movie. Lucky the dead Dr. Strange fell through the portal, lucky OG Strange didn't burn the body, lucky he put it somewhere it could get out. That's the first 10 minutes - this shit goes on and on and on for the entire movie.

About halfway through my lady friend was ready to tap out. We watched it through to the end, but we both agreed that it was a terrible film. Even the first Strange film - a mediocre entry by all accounts - was better than this.

It was also funny that for all the crap that Cavill's blotchy not-moustache got for Justice League , Wong's hair grows and shrinks multiple times throughout this movie for no reason, and it was very telling.

 

[Product Placement]

Will Marvel ever make a movie with sincerity, one thing to have jokes but they are always undercutting scenes which are meant to be impactful with unfunny quips.

Look at Rami's Spiderman movies, or even newer stuff like Wonder Woman or Shazam, those movies are still crowd-pleasers which do have lots of levity within them but they don't under cut the big dramatic moments with a unfunny joke. Also never felt like they are embarrassed to be a comic book movie, which many Marvel movie feel like they are with joking about how dumb something is such as a name rather than to just roll with it and not make it a big deal.

It really feels Marvel wants the movies to be parodies at this point but don't have the balls to just do parodies. With Deadpool coming to the MCU and with his movies being a proud parody of superhero movies, it is just going to make the issues with Marvel movies stand out even more.

But what I'm asking for is Marvel to stop putting out the same fast food style movie and take time to really make something good. Better to have 1 or 2 good movies a year than 3+ movies and 3+ tv shows which because of lack time are mostly shot on green screen and never look good or even look like the people are present within the world you have created with cgi artists who are overworked and rushed.