Magic The Gathering

[PonderosaPete]

I found out that Ulamog and Kozilek are fused together. For reasons? Fuck, if I'm not too tired to complain of magic lately.

 

[BlackDragoons]

Energy is going to be broken for a bit. Hold onto your butts folks.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I found out that Ulamog and Kozilek are fused together. For reasons? Fuck, if I'm not too tired to complain of magic lately.

Somehow Ulamog and Kozilek returned.

 

[DootSkeleton]

I found out that Ulamog and Kozilek are fused together. For reasons? Fuck, if I'm not too tired to complain of magic lately.

Probably partially melted and reconstituted from the events of OGW.

Somehow Ulamog and Kozilek returned.

I remember reading the story when they were said to be destroyed for good and thought "yeah no they aren't lol"
Real world popularity aside, when you make creatures so preposterously powerful, you give writers all sorts of ways to bring them back

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I remember reading the story when they were said to be destroyed for good and thought "yeah no they aren't lol"
Real world popularity aside, when you make creatures so preposterously powerful, you give writers all sorts of ways to bring them back

Yes, but the way that it was done in OGW is about the only way to solve the issue with the Eldrazi being..so powerful that any time they show up the Goodguys lose or There has to be bullshit for them to win. "Ugin's set something up that could have killed the 3 Eldrazi Titans at any pre-mending point if he wished" was about as good of a way to deal with the retardation that was the Eldrazi in the first place.

The only other option is to have the Eldrazi show up ONLY If you are completely willing to never return to the plane they show up on ever again.

 

[PonderosaPete]

Yes, but the way that it was done in OGW is about the only way to solve the issue with the Eldrazi being..so powerful that any time they show up the Goodguys lose or There has to be bullshit for them to win. "Ugin's set something up that could have killed the 3 Eldrazi Titans at any pre-mending point if he wished" was about as good of a way to deal with the retardation that was the Eldrazi in the first place.

The only other option is to have the Eldrazi show up ONLY If you are completely willing to never return to the plane they show up on ever again.

Some doomsday sets actually sound pretty lit. Shame nothing in the story can actually be a threat anymore. I remember Rise of the Eldrazi and thinking, no current Planeswalker could deal with these. Was relatively interesting. Imagine my shock during Gatewatch.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Some doomsday sets actually sound pretty lit. Shame nothing in the story can actually be a threat anymore. I remember Rise of the Eldrazi and thinking, no current Planeswalker could deal with these. Was relatively interesting. Imagine my shock during Gatewatch.

Yes but does Doomsday matter..on Random Plane #480480894089

Like if the Eldrazi show up on Thunder Junction would anyone ACTUALLY care (also Blizzard is in a massive corner in regards to Emrakul ever waking up cause Innistrad in all rights is fucked and its in the top 5 most popular planes).

And The Gatewatch story wasn't that terribly written outside of Gideon tanking a hit from Ulamog. The Gatewatch didn't win because of anything they did..they won because of something Ugin (an ancient old-walker) set up as a back up plan, and Ugin not wanting to outright kill the Eldrazi makes sense for him because "Ancient Dragon Oldwalker who cares more about (((NATURE))) than he does people"

I wish we would get a pre-colorless Ugin flip-walker that had a massive Stax effect on the front side because dealing with a Bant Dragon who cares more about some "Balance of Nature" and makes everything miserable would be hilarious.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Sort of some interesting Arena autism. So there was a meme brawl deck going around, using a fake gay card in Brawl to play Momir, which is a cute idea if you like playing the worst thing ever invented intentionally. Update happens, the deck no longer "validates". People look in the logs, it turns out the reason is that deck strength has to be at least zero, but also it prints the deck strength rating allowing people to just swap cards to do simple math to figure out card weights (which are clearly just arbitrarily decided by a wagie somewhere).

Commander weights: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jIJuenY_rgp7GIvHTDcTqU2tEahe2v8oTurnFJrfPVc/
Main deck: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf3fANllMMd-qh-6GeQGAvN8GyIBxx6dLdug9AexT54/

Kind of surprised two of the decks I hated the least (Locust God and Alesha Who Smiles At Death) are in the bottom rung of commanders.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Sort of some interesting Arena autism. So there was a meme brawl deck going around, using a fake gay card in Brawl to play Momir, which is a cute idea if you like playing the worst thing ever invented intentionally. Update happens, the deck no longer "validates". People look in the logs, it turns out the reason is that deck strength has to be at least zero, but also it prints the deck strength rating allowing people to just swap cards to do simple math to figure out card weights (which are clearly just arbitrarily decided by a wagie somewhere).

Commander weights: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jIJuenY_rgp7GIvHTDcTqU2tEahe2v8oTurnFJrfPVc/
Main deck: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tf3fANllMMd-qh-6GeQGAvN8GyIBxx6dLdug9AexT54/

Kind of surprised two of the decks I hated the least (Locust God and Alesha Who Smiles At Death) are in the bottom rung of commanders.

LOL OG Jin Gitaxius has a negative value

 

[00R-Gundam]

I dont know about the old sets lore wise but it would be super cool if they add a doomsday themed set where a [Insert Plane] is heading towards destruction like someone previously said and nothing can stop it. Would it be sad yes but it would be a new angle that they can use. Im personally tired of the current characters and wish they would move on from jace and crew and just do a new generation of characters. I personally stopped giving a shit lore wise after war of the spark.

 

[PonderosaPete]

Yes but does Doomsday matter..on Random Plane #480480894089

Like if the Eldrazi show up on Thunder Junction would anyone ACTUALLY care (also Blizzard is in a massive corner in regards to Emrakul ever waking up cause Innistrad in all rights is fucked and its in the top 5 most popular planes).

And The Gatewatch story wasn't that terribly written outside of Gideon tanking a hit from Ulamog. The Gatewatch didn't win because of anything they did..they won because of something Ugin (an ancient old-walker) set up as a back up plan, and Ugin not wanting to outright kill the Eldrazi makes sense for him because "Ancient Dragon Oldwalker who cares more about (((NATURE))) than he does people"

I wish we would get a pre-colorless Ugin flip-walker that had a massive Stax effect on the front side because dealing with a Bant Dragon who cares more about some "Balance of Nature" and makes everything miserable would be hilarious.

I had to look this up, because I couldn't find any reference to the Gatewatch using anything Ugin related during the final channel fireball. I see he shows up afterwards to scold Jace, and that they attempted to use the hedrons to subdue Ulamog at Seagate.

If Ugin didn't help them that would mean Nissa, using the mana filtered from a plane that was ravaged, at minimum, for six months by Ulamog and a time by Kozilek and Emerkul, was able to super charge Chandra into destroying two Eldrazi titans. Which would be retarded given the power scaling we were given for current planeswalkers and Eldrazi titans. A fresh plane, maybe. What was left of Zendikar? Doesn't feel right. They recovered near instantly from the destruction though, so Eldrazi are even further scaled down.

The destruction of an actual plane would bring some stakes back to the story. Where currently it feels there are none what so ever. A Planeswalker doesn't even need to clever or powerful in the current story. All they have to do is exist, and events fall at their feet with the barest minimal effort. There isn't even the threat of your favorite Planeswalker losing their spark and being left behind on a plane. It's lazy writing, but I do agree that Ugin should have been more involved in the story even if they had to come up with a reason to nerf him power wise. He fulfilled an interesting narrative position that went completely wasted.

 

[macrodegenerate]

I dont know about the old sets lore wise but it would be super cool if they add a doomsday themed set where a [Insert Plane] is heading towards destruction like someone previously said and nothing can stop it. Would it be sad yes but it would be a new angle that they can use. Im personally tired of the current characters and wish they would move on from jace and crew and just do a new generation of characters. I personally stopped giving a shit lore wise after war of the spark.

New Phyrexia was that set for Mirodin. We never saw Koth for over 10 years with characters from New Phyrexia only returning in 2021. Amonkhet at least had hope with Hazoret, but Mirrodin was absolutely a complete loss to all nonphyrexians.

 

[DootSkeleton]

New Phyrexia was that set for Mirodin

Now with Phyrexia defeated (for now) maybe we can finally get that Mirrodin Pure set. They've still got unused art for what looked like a darksteel Platinum Angel

 

[Monolith]

The destruction of an actual plane would bring some stakes back to the story. Where currently it feels there are none what so ever. A Planeswalker doesn't even need to clever or powerful in the current story. All they have to do is exist, and events fall at their feet with the barest minimal effort. There isn't even the threat of your favorite Planeswalker losing their spark and being left behind on a plane. It's lazy writing, but I do agree that Ugin should have been more involved in the story even if they had to come up with a reason to nerf him power wise. He fulfilled an interesting narrative position that went completely wasted.

Bring back Rabiah for one card just to blow it up.

 

[Fag Albert]

HAHAHAHAHAHA
BAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
*Dies laughing*

Wait a minute....

that watermark means it originally showed up in a different set. Let's just go check out the original...


. . .

Did the girl in the new art eat the girl in the old art?

I hate how it goes from someone that looks like they belong in the setting to "My aunt as an extra for lord of the rings"

 

[macrodegenerate]

Now with Phyrexia defeated (for now) maybe we can finally get that Mirrodin Pure set. They've still got unused art for what looked like a darksteel Platinum Angel

Less than 20 people from Mirrodin survived, none of whom were angels, as the angels were destroyed or corrupted fighting the phyrexians during the war for Mirrodin. In addition, there were no artifact creatures who made it out to my knowledge.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

LOL OG Jin Gitaxius has a negative value

I understand that one because Jin is a 10 mana I win the game commander in a 1v1 format where, unlike commander, the fair decks actually play Doom Blades. Controlling the board in mono blue against any deck that isn't just playing land and casting a single spell every turn is a huge ask in current year.

There's a lot of really weird wagie decisions in those documents though. Like Locust God being in a different rung from Niv Mizzet, Parun when they are the exact same deck only Locust God has more better combos on Arena.
Also the board wipes are worth a hardy chuckle.

Shatter the Sky : 45
Depopulate / Sunfall / Cleansing Nova / Fumigate/ Ritual of Soot / Extinction Event : 36
Anger of the Gods / By Invitation Only / Farewell / Doomskar : 27
Vanquish the Horde: 18

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I had to look this up, because I couldn't find any reference to the Gatewatch using anything Ugin related during the final channel fireball. I see he shows up afterwards to scold Jace, and that they attempted to use the hedrons to subdue Ulamog at Seagate.

They used the Hedron Network to pull the Eldrazi into the Plane itself to make them Vulnerable, something Ugin explicitly created.

From the story itself

He conjured an illusion: the ring of hedrons they had used to trap Ulamog. He sent them falling away as he spoke, splashing into an illusory sea, but he left the diagram that had guided them into place. The glyph that the spirit dragon Ugin had shown him—the shape the leylines needed to take to bind the Eldrazi.

"It's no longer possible to trap Kozilek and Ulamog," said Jace. "Not with the resources we have. We don't have the time or the people to build a hedron network around both of them. But this shape still has power."

He indicated the glyph, now empty of hedrons, a circle with three equidistant projections.

"Nissa, if the titans were close together and stationary, if you could concentrate completely without having to defend yourself...do you think you could make this glyph using Zendikar's leylines? Directly, without any hedrons to help?"

Nissa's eyes grew distant, tracing the curves of lines that Jace couldn't see. Her hands flexed.

"Yes," she said. "But without the hedrons to hold the leylines in place, the binding will only last for as long as I can keep it going. And I don't know how long that would be."

"So we can't trap them," Gideon said. "What is it you're trying to do?"

"How do we do that?" said Gideon. "When we spoke before, you didn't seem to think it was possible."

"I didn't," said Jace. "But Ugin said something at the Eye that made me suspect otherwise."

"That was before you said we had to trap Ulamog," said Kiora. "You didn't mention it."

"Yes, it was," said Jace, "and no, I didn't. Ugin seemed to think killing an Eldrazi titan was a bad idea, and I promised him I'd avoid it if possible."

Ugin knew the Eldrazi were able to be killed and probably knew the entire time and never told Sorin and Nahiri. We have another example of Ugin being a massive dickhead when it comes to not permanently dealing with problems, his Plan to deal with Nicol Bolas originally was to trap him on Ixalan, which is the second worst plan in the entire history of Magic's Lore (Thanks Elesh Norn you made Ugin look like dumb).

Let me lay it out, We know for an absolute fact that Ugin is willing to let Nicol Bolas at the height of his power have free reign over a Plane and Trap Azor on it with Bolas. How do you think this ends for Azor and Ixalan?

Also A direct quote from Ugin regarding pulling the Eldrazi into the plane

"I said it wasn't possible for you," said Ugin. "And you led me to believe you weren't going to try, so spare me your sanctimony."

If Ugin didn't help them that would mean Nissa, using the mana filtered from a plane that was ravaged, at minimum, for six months by Ulamog and a time by Kozilek and Emerkul, was able to super charge Chandra into destroying two Eldrazi titans. Which would be retarded given the power scaling we were given for current planeswalkers and Eldrazi titans. A fresh plane, maybe. What was left of Zendikar? Doesn't feel right. They recovered near instantly from the destruction though, so Eldrazi are even further scaled down.

Re-reading it apparently The Hedron's don't just lock the Eldrazi in place but they leech energy off the titans.

Drain away all their strength into the leylines, said Nissa. Into Zendikar. So this world can do to them what they've been trying to do to it. Devour them.

It may be hard on Zendikar, said Jace. If bleeding off the titans' excess energy caused the Roil, draining all of it—

The Gatewatch used Ugin's magic to trap the Eldrazi and Drain the mana from them into Zendikar..which Nissa and Chandra used to fireball the Eldrazi.

Ugin could have done this without breaking a sweat at height of his power, shit Nicol Bolas killed an entire Plane's population while he was rapidly losing his Old-walker power during the mending.

The destruction of an actual plane would bring some stakes back to the story

Agree in theory but the Eldrazi aren't a way to do it, having your heroes automatically lose because they can't possibly win against an Enemy isn't stakes. The Eldrazi were a fucking terrible idea to have in a main storyline block because they are largely impossible to win against, leaving Zendikar 1 on a cliffhanger instead of having the plane being destroyed was a terrible idea. Zendikar and the Eldrazi should never have been revisited.

Writers as a whole need to stop ripping off Lovecraft and shoving it into their stories, That shit is fucking over-rated to start with and you always have to pull bullshit to have the main characters not lose...At least WOTC had a 20,000 Year old Godlike Dragon to excuse some of the bullshit.

Even if he is a Lawful Evil Cock sucking faggot.

Where currently it feels there are none what so ever. A Planeswalker doesn't even need to clever or powerful in the current story. All they have to do is exist, and events fall at their feet with the barest minimal effort. There isn't even the threat of your favorite Planeswalker losing their spark and being left behind on a plane. It's lazy writing,

Agree'd but Gatewatch isn't remotely the worst example of it, shit it isn't even the worst example of it regarding the Eldrazi because Shadows over Innistrad was leauges worse than Oath of the Gatewatch in terms of just letting the Planeswalkers win.

Edit : GIMME MY PUZZLE PEICES!

I understand that one because Jin is a 10 mana I win the game commander in a 1v1 format where, unlike commander, the fair decks actually play Doom Blades. Controlling the board in mono blue against any deck that isn't just playing land and casting a single spell every turn is a huge ask in current year.

Nah, in Brawl you could probably just build Mono Blue Flash with Jin and make the most miserable play pattern Imaginable until you get to 8 Mana and your opponent can never..ever tap out again because if you EOT Jin and they don't instantly have an answer they are absolutely fucked in the ass.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Nah, in Brawl you could probably just build Mono Blue Flash with Jin and make the most miserable play pattern Imaginable until you get to 8 Mana and your opponent can never..ever tap out again because if you EOT Jin and they don't instantly have an answer they are absolutely fucked in the ass.

Brawl differs from Commander in that you can build and play straight forward aggro decks and kill your only opponent before they get to 8UU mana because they only have 25 health. It is very quick and easy to beat the hell out of people playing grindy nonsense and I can't imagine that any control pile you could assemble in mono blue could be built that could beat both grindy nonsense and "turn 3 I play a mountain, a 1 drop and a two drop." Cheap interaction in blue is either temporary like unsummon varients or 2+ mana like almost every legal counterspell. If you wanted to play that way in mono blue you'd use Baral so that you could filter lands and cast for cheaper or Malcolm, Alluring Scoundrel and just play tempo long enough to cheat in Omniscience or Hullbreak Horror or something.

Sidenote, really surprised the wagie doing the list hates blue enough to place either of those so high.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Brawl differs from Commander in that you can build and play straight forward aggro decks and kill your only opponent before they get to 8UU mana because they only have 25 health. It is very quick and easy to beat the hell out of people playing grindy nonsense and I can't imagine that any control pile you could assemble in mono blue could be built that could beat both grindy nonsense and "turn 3 I play a mountain, a 1 drop and a two drop." Cheap interaction in blue is either temporary like unsummon varients or 2+ mana like almost every legal counterspell. If you wanted to play that way in mono blue you'd use Baral so that you could filter lands and cast for cheaper or Malcolm, Alluring Scoundrel and just play tempo long enough to cheat in Omniscience or Hullbreak Horror or something.

Sidenote, really surprised the wagie doing the list hates blue enough to place either of those so high.

I would say less mono blue control and more the tempo decks, and baral/malcom can head those up as well but Jin is a card in the command zone that wins on his own.