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There is Ghost Quarter which is Modern legal, though you don't get your own land back on that one.
 
Ebonic Tutor said:
Modern affinity isn't affinity, and the MH artifact lands come into play tapped making them dogshit.

Traditional affinity never existed in modern, it was always steel stompy and mostly used metalcraft. (they did run thoughtcast as a 2 of, the only affinity card in the deck)

OG affinity in it's standard could kill you second turn, damage was still on the stack so that helped a lot, but being able to drop a 4/4 and a 2/2 first turn + disciple of the vault + arcbound ravager + artifact lands made it quite easy to smoke somebody second turn.
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You can find affinity, running cards that say affinity, that does perfectly tier2 modern deck.
Flexo said:
Except all the new ones were made indestructible.
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Most decks have an answer to one ring in the sideboard and incidentally many of those things stone rain your indestructible artifact lands.

I'm just unconvinced because you can easily run 8 copies of untapped artifact lands in modern as it is but no one does because they all suck. I know tapping for colored mana is important even in a basically colorless deck but I can't believe that's actually what's keeping it back.
 
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Oddjob OTP said:
You can find affinity, running cards that say affinity, that does perfectly tier2 modern deck.

Most decks have an answer to one ring in the sideboard and incidentally many of the things that hit that stone rain your indestructible artifact lands.

I'm just unconvinced because you can easily run 8 copies of untapped artifact lands in modern as it is but no one does because they all suck. I know tapping for colored mana is important even in a basically colorless deck but I can't believe that's actually what's keeping it back.
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> getting anywhere with a tier 2 deck in any competitive meta
 
Oddjob OTP said:
I'm saying it's bad, but I'm saying it's not bad just because Seat of Synod et al are banned. Modern Affinity is just Domain Zoo that plays bad cards.
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No, the coming into play tapped is a huge part of the issue. It's way more than you really understand I believe. You're losing out on 1 mana a turn because of it and the way affinity spirals using the untapped artifact lands and that one turn matters a ton on each of those lands.

Basically think of this way, if you play seat of synod on first turn along with a thopter, memnite, frogmite you can tap the seat for a blue and thoughtcast and possibly play another card... with the tap lands you can't. Affinity always won off it's speed, and the lands coming into play tapped shit that right up.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
I'm just unconvinced because you can easily run 8 copies of untapped artifact lands in modern as it is but no one does because they all suck. I know tapping for colored mana is important even in a basically colorless deck but I can't believe that's actually what's keeping it back.
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I would be unconvinced but This deck
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Fucking Blew Eldrazi out of the water, and I am unconvinced that either game was The Affinity Deck drawing well or that this would be an optimal Build (I think Izzet could do better, Pyrite Spellbomb as a Saga target would be pretty nuts IMO)

Artifact Land into 0 cost artifact into Turn 1 Emry is absurd, especially if the 0 Artifact is a Bauble, because you basically do the Lurrus Bullshit except starting on turn 2.

Modern Affinity is just Domain Zoo that plays bad cards.
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This is because it's not actually affinity...It's Hardened Scales which is on par with Burn and 4C control in terms of playability...and Domain Zoo plays much worse shit than Scales does, the only reason that deck exists is cause it can steal wins with Tribal Flames.
 
Legacy Affinity/8-Cast is really more a blue deck than a colorless one due to Emry, Sai, Thoughtcast, Thought Monitor, counterspells and bounce spells. I could totally buy that it really is the lack of ETB untapped colored artifact lands holding back a modern version, since outside of Force of Will and the lands I think most everything else is modern legal.
 
Lurkbot Prime said:
Legacy Affinity/8-Cast is really more a blue deck than a colorless one due to Emry, Sai, Thoughtcast, Thought Monitor, counterspells and bounce spells. I could totally buy that it really is the lack of ETB untapped colored artifact lands holding back a modern version, since outside of Force of Will and the lands I think most everything else is modern legal.
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Ancient Tomb and City of Traitors help Legacy 8cast, I don't think Modern would have quite the velocity that the Legacy Version does, but I think if you unban the Untapped Artifact Lands we see a Modern Affinity deck of some manner.

Remember after MH1 came about, Traditional Affinity was strong enough to get Mox Opal Yeeted.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Ancient Tomb and City of Traitors help Legacy 8cast, I don't think Modern would have quite the velocity that the Legacy Version does, but I think if you unban the Untapped Artifact Lands we see a Modern Affinity deck of some manner.

Remember after MH1 came about, Traditional Affinity was strong enough to get Mox Opal Yeeted.
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I think the opal ban was more related to the Urza / Oko deck along with astrolabe tbf. Like at that point it was because opal was seeing use in things beside affinity/hardened scales, believe they had basically said the reason they let it stay around like it did was because it was so narrow.
 
Ebonic Tutor said:
I think the opal ban was more related to the Urza / Oko deck along with astrolabe tbf. Like at that point it was because opal was seeing use in things beside affinity/hardened scales, believe they had basically said the reason they let it stay around like it did was because it was so narrow.
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I mean Even without Oko that deck was probably busted and..would have become more busted if you throw Urza's Saga into the mix. Like I think Turn 2 Emry with a Bauble alone is a really good reason to never allow Seat of the Synod into Modern, without Oko and Icefang to push you to green I think you end up in Izzet and proceed to bring a new level of Hell to opponents by Removing anything with 2 toughness with Pyrite Spellbomb and Bouncing everything else with Aether Spellbomb...Bonus points that you could use Urza to have Aether Spellbomb..tap itself for Blue..then use that blue to activate itself.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
I would be unconvinced but This deck
Fucking Blew Eldrazi out of the water, and I am unconvinced that either game was The Affinity Deck drawing well or that this would be an optimal Build (I think Izzet could do better, Pyrite Spellbomb as a Saga target would be pretty nuts IMO)

Artifact Land into 0 cost artifact into Turn 1 Emry is absurd, especially if the 0 Artifact is a Bauble, because you basically do the Lurrus Bullshit except starting on turn 2.
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Well yes, if you also unban the moxs and Oko it becomes an S tier deck. Says more about moxs then Artifact Lands though.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
Well yes, if you also unban the moxs and Oko it becomes an S tier deck. Says more about moxs then Artifact Lands though.
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You don't need the moxes to make them crazy, it just helps. The artifact lands with a heavy use of affinity spells is basically making all your lands tap for two mana w/o any drawbacks.

The original builds of it didn't even use chrome mox. (and opal was a few years off)
 
Thiletonomics said:
Hasbro announced their 4th Quarter results, and WotC is once again carrying the absolute deadweights that are Hasbro's other IPs. They have also said that WotC's revenue is expected to drop by 3-5% in 2024.

And WotC is still all-in on the Universes Beyond train:

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They ran their own story into the ground and no one cares about their retarded characters so stapling other IP on their game and selling it to people who don't care about Magic is an actual plan. The big problem is there are already a few games that do that specifically so if Magic stumbles it can quickly lose to one of those.
 
Oddjob OTP said:
Well yes, if you also unban the moxs and Oko it becomes an S tier deck. Says more about moxs then Artifact Lands though.
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Mox never hit the field in either game Oko..made a single food (Reid had Chalice on 0 both games, LSV threw Moxen into it to Trigger Leger Shredder) I don't think Artifact Lands are safe to Unban So long as Urza's Saga is in the Format. Like One Saga, Two artifact lands..that's 2 5/5*s on turn 3, one of which can attack...that by itself is on Par with what the Top deck can do with cascading into 2 4/4s with a Violent Outburst.

And The Saga stuff can't be countered with playable interaction.

I would unban Splinter Twin before I would Unban the Artifact lands.

*2 Contstructs, 2 Artifact lands, and whatever you get with Chapter 3 of Saga.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Mox never hit the field in either game Oko..made a single food (Reid had Chalice on 0 both games, LSV threw Moxen into it to Trigger Leger Shredder) I don't think Artifact Lands are safe to Unban So long as Urza's Saga is in the Format. Like One Saga, Two artifact lands..that's 2 5/5*s on turn 3, one of which can attack...that by itself is on Par with what the Top deck can do with cascading into 2 4/4s with a Violent Outburst.

And The Saga stuff can't be countered with playable interaction.

I would unban Splinter Twin before I would Unban the Artifact lands.

*2 Contstructs, 2 Artifact lands, and whatever you get with Chapter 3 of Saga.
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I mean the only reason Splinter Twin got banned was cause it was a bit too common and they wanted to shake up the meta, the deck was relatively fair from what I remember playing against it. That was before having fatal push and assassin's trophy too.

Never even played the deck, just played against it a lot during that time cause it was everywhere. Seem to recall some tourney right before it was banned where it like 60% or something ST decks.
 
Ebonic Tutor said:
I mean the only reason Splinter Twin got banned was cause it was a bit too common and they wanted to shake up the meta, the deck was relatively fair from what I remember playing against it. That was before having fatal push and assassin's trophy too.

Never even played the deck, just played against it a lot during that time cause it was everywhere. Seem to recall some tourney right before it was banned where it like 60% or something ST decks.
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Eh Twin can stay banned as far as I care, I don't think it is too powerful power wise anymore but I don't think any of the decks that would slot the combo in really need it to be pushed, Blue and Red are the best colors in the format as is.
 
WotC seems to be on point with "limited stock" secret lairs. After 12 days, only one of the six sets has sold out, along with all but one of the bundles. That said, there aren't any money cards in the Winter Super Drop, so who know what'll happen when a set's value exceeds MSRP. But as things stand, as long as you ordered within the first week, you basically could get anything you wanted.
 
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