Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it

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Solid Hyrax said:
Since this is an obscenity law, there is room for it to be challenged in court. When it inevitably happens, it's most likely that the non-ai part of the law would be stricken out just like what happened with 18 U.S.C. § 1466A(a)(1) and § 1466A(b)(1) in United States v. Handley, where they were deemed unconstitutionally overbroad for criminalizing certain non-obscene, fictional depictions of minors.

The AI is a coin flip, no idea what would happen to that part.
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It's targeting specificly obscenity. A doodle will not suffice. Still I agree it's going to get challenged. I don't agree that the outcome will be the same. The courts are different than they were back then.
 
Gloria The Glorious said:
"All Characters depicted are 18 years or older."​

I'd like to remind you that this line of text and the most basic of design modifications is either too much work or (more disturbingly) a turn-off for these people. The bar is low enough to be a tripping hazard, and even that can't be done.
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Should have been 21 just to make them saltier.
 
Honestly all for this new law working out and being effective but like, how? How does this work? What happens if say, somebody's in a ginormous fuckin discord for a video game and some dickbag he's never met has a sleazy ass profile pic with a loli on it, would that then count as access in a similar fashion to irl felonious content can?

And how are they enforcing it, is it retroactive and if so how the hell do they manage that? I get the feeling assuming it stands it'll be something they can tack onto other charges, which I'm not necessarily against. You know there's motherfuckers who were stupid enough to actually ID themselves to watch porn scrambling to delete the accounts now and quivering in their boots.

AI has needed to be stopped or neutered on that front for a while now, it shouldn't be so easy for someone to make CP or revenge porn or deepfake a celebrity against their will. We can't abide it from anywhere or any source because the closer it gets to the real thing the more dangerous that scumfucker doing it is.
 
keep em' comin said:
from what i've been told, a LOT of ai generated """"normal"""" loli and shota porn, is based off of rl children, shit like this should keep being presented
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The Pixiv AI tags are full of very realistic AI like that, it's disgusting. I feel like that shit is probably illegal, most countries who allow lolishota specify it needs to be cartoonish and not realistic.
 
Fear and Bullets said:
And how are they enforcing it, is it retroactive and if so how the hell do they manage that? I get the feeling assuming it stands it'll be something they can tack onto other charges, which I'm not necessarily against. You know there's motherfuckers who were stupid enough to actually ID themselves to watch porn scrambling to delete the accounts now and quivering in their boots.
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Simple: if you get caught with AI CSAM or r34 of any fictional character under 18 on your hard drive, you get felony charges. Same as how they already enforce existing laws against CSAM.
 
Skylavijas said:
But the spread of AI art breaks that mold. Since for AI to create pedophilic content requires for it to have access to visual content of real children
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This isn't true. AI is able to remix and generalize. You could train a model with no photos of children, but still include drawings, or depictions of dolls, hobbits, fairies, elves, anything small-proportioned you can think of, and sick fucks would be able to prompt for e.g. "nude human with doll body proportions."

What is true is that all existing AI models were trained with whatever imagery they could get their hands on, which includes millions of photos of real children, so it's moot until someone spends thousands/millions to make a new foundational model.
 
Bay Kemal said:
I checked, it was a few hours before the submission.
It wasn't his first time shitting up the thread either. His first schizoid niggerbabble goes back to February.
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that was only a day or two ago, and the front page submission was last friday,, so it couldnt be before the sub
 
Solid Hyrax said:
The AI is a coin flip, no idea what would happen to that part.
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AI depictions of children do not pass the current SCOTUS standards, all we need to do is actually utilize the laws currently. The bill would have been infinitely better providing state and local authorities more investigative capability to find and summarily execute pedophiles generating images of both pseudo-real and explicitly real children. Literally just do that and the lolicon/pornography retards shitting up the internet will be cut in half.

EDIT: Quick note on the obscenity angle, I have no fucking clue how that's going to go down. Most courts don't even want to bother, including SCOTUS, since it's basically the legal and ethical purgatory of 1st Amendment rights. This is always the issue presented in the U.S., we're a country based off of natural rights, not authority-given rights, but finding where those rights intersect with social decency is so extensively difficult the courts have basically given up.
 
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Skylavijas said:
The argument I've seen lolicons/shotacons use to defend their interest is that some governments or police institutions urged people to stop giving reports of people gooning to underrage anime characters. They explained it as evidence that official institutions don't view their interest as pedophillia and that clamping down on loli content only harms pursuit of real perverts.
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Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes. They're jerking off to a caricature of a child. They are real perverts.
 
DickMain said:
Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes. They're jerking off to a caricature of a child. They are real perverts.
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Yeah, like I said in my post, I think there's a lack of legal action only because they're judicially seen as non-offending pedophiles. They're still seen as pedos, but not every government has their laws up to date with the internet. But it is slowly changing.
 
YarrBlueballs said:
AI depictions of children do not pass the current SCOTUS standards, all we need to do is actually utilize the laws currently. The bill would have been infinitely better providing state and local authorities more investigative capability to find and summarily execute pedophiles generating images of both pseudo-real and explicitly real children. Literally just do that and the lolicon/pornography retards shitting up the internet will be cut in half.

EDIT: Quick note on the obscenity angle, I have no fucking clue how that's going to go down. Most courts don't even want to bother, including SCOTUS, since it's basically the legal and ethical purgatory of 1st Amendment rights. This is always the issue presented in the U.S., we're a country based off of natural rights, not authority-given rights, but finding where those rights intersect with social decency is so extensively difficult the courts have basically given up.
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Wasnt there an arrest in florida where a guy used AI to generate pornographic images of children?

EDIT: i found the bodycam. He was arrested for using AI to create pictures. iirc the only reason they was able to arrest him is becuase the AI was using actual kids as references to create "Lolis" thats also how they were tipped bc while he was receiving it also sent the feds the ip address and email that was using the software.

https://youtu.be/whACbBa5pd0?si=WzhWHDAZyswXQvZY
 
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Achimadriel said:
Wasnt there an arrest in florida where a guy used AI to generate pornographic images of children?
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yes and the loli pedos used it as some kinda gotcha, they were like: "it wasnt DRAWN CHILD PORN porn it was of actual cp!!!" as if it is any different to what they like
 
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keep em' comin said:
yes and the loli pedos used it as some kinda gotcha, they were like: "it wasnt DRAWN CHILD PORN porn it was of actual cp!!!" as if it is any different to what they like
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Well it was fictional cp based off of real kids which is illegal. In some states you cant draw cp based off of real kids but apparently you can get away if they were never real in the first place. This whole legal system is stupid becuase all you have to do is have common sense. I feel like people should be prosecuted and lebel them as a pedo. And when label as a pedo take them to a physch ward away from other kids. A pedo ward. Oh you're into lolis? Psych ward. Oh you've been caught jerking off in a beach or park. 50 years to the psych ward.

I think the fact isnt what they do its how they think and if you can prove to them they are attracted to kids in any type of way fact or fiction just send them to the ward away from society

Becuase you can still be a pedophile and not do anything incriminating to the public. I think it doesnt help that Hollywood/japan enables the activity. If it was up to me id straight up ban porn in general. (Id do more than ban porn)
 
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YarrBlueballs said:
EDIT: Quick note on the obscenity angle, I have no fucking clue how that's going to go down. Most courts don't even want to bother, including SCOTUS, since it's basically the legal and ethical purgatory of 1st Amendment rights. This is always the issue presented in the U.S., we're a country based off of natural rights, not authority-given rights, but finding where those rights intersect with social decency is so extensively difficult the courts have basically given up
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I don't think any of us do. Could be absolutely nothing happens. Could be a landmark court case. In any case though, I believe we are going to find out one way or the other.
 
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