Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it

[Lords Greatsword]

The only time you ever really see apathy towards the act and its practice is when people are covering up for it in a given community, usually for keeping other people in certain positions of authority or relevance, and I'm sure there's a whole finer, psychological aspect that goes a little bit beyond "People are fucking retarded" to explain that trend, but I'm not qualified or knowledgeable enough to elaborate further in that respect.

Society is pillared by groups, organizations, industries, and the like - man is a social creature, and the needs and outputs of the Whole are generally more significant than those of the Individual. This gives way to groups that make an effort to downplay situations if one of their members may happen to be quite terrible as an individual; it could be to save face, it could be because that member otherwise holds enough merit that outweighs the severity of whatever deed has been done, or it could simply be that every other piece of the group has their own skeletons they want to keep hidden.

You can see it whenever the US military has some tragic accident or murder and tries to downplay it, like with Pat Tillman, or countless other incidents that happened across bases. It can be seen with police officers and all their associated unions that tend to minimize any punishment they ought to get after the millionth police brutality incident. And on a more relevant note, it can be seen furthermore within people like Epstein or Diddy, who were vile fucking scum to have done as much as they did, but because of how embedded they were in a greater network and the patronage they offered, they were turned a blind eye to for far longer than they should have, even during initial investigations. Certainly, there are a great many more examples, but this conveys the idea.

That which is above is like that which is below, and that which is below is like that which is above - such as it is, these scattered instances of worthless online fucks that want to cover their tracks and cry about how they're not actually pedos are merely smaller reflections of grander circles across society, systems that might not ever personally intersect yet remain analogous with each other. That complicitness with evil is thus the answer of an Individual to the question of how much they are willing to compromise in personal virtue and morality so as to continue associating with or contributing toward any given group - or, what manner of wrong one is willing to overlook. Perhaps some are blind to that kind of inner judgement, and are only able to measure it based off of what, to them, is beneficial and detrimental.

It is admirable of any group, then, to be vigilant and swift in cleaning out its own trash. It might be true that everyone is a sinner, but God knows there are some that are far more drenched in sin than the rest, and verily, might as well be considered Evil.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

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Very late to the party re: Childfucking Gerbil. I was introduced to him when sperged at me about how not wanting to eat ass makes me a christian fascist incel. Given these developments in New Türkiye, maybe this is why he's so confident that the US is now going to become North Korea 2.0 while the EU (aka Germany) will be the new world hegemon and shining light of Our Democracy

 

[Gloria The Glorious]

"All Characters depicted are 18 21 and a half years or older."​

I'd like to remind you that this line of text and the most basic of design modifications is either too much work or (more disturbingly) a turn-off for these people. The bar is low enough to be a tripping hazard, and even that can't be done.

 

[Solid Hyrax]

Since this is an obscenity law, there is room for it to be challenged in court. When it inevitably happens, it's most likely that the non-ai part of the law would be stricken out just like what happened with 18 U.S.C. § 1466A(a)(1) and § 1466A(b)(1) in United States v. Handley, where they were deemed unconstitutionally overbroad for criminalizing certain non-obscene, fictional depictions of minors.

The AI is a coin flip, no idea what would happen to that part.

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

I think this could potentially apply to lolicon/shotacon as well as AI-generated images, since it covers "cartoons". Guess we'll have to wait and see.

From the language of this bill it would go even further. Any obscene depiction of a minor is a felony. That could have some seriously far-reaching effects. Just about any Texan who gets off on anime porn is going to be in for a rude awakening, because the overwhelming majority of anime has characters under the age of 18.
So even more based than you may initially realize.

 

[I'm Deid]

They have pushed AI to its legal limits. This was inevitable. Cartoons and other forms of art getting caught in the crossfire was going to happen. As you said, they got lazy. When all it took for infinite AI CSAM was a decent PC, it was fucking over.

from what i've been told, a LOT of ai generated """"normal"""" loli and shota porn, is based off of rl children, shit like this should keep being presented

Let's see if people who come from community feature submissions have a spergout about lolipedo rights here.

We've already had one straight up be banned lol

 

[MunsterCheeseJr]

The Texas Senate has passed [A] a bill banning obscene material that appears to depict a child "regardless of whether the depiction is an image of an actual child, a cartoon or animation, or an image created using an artificial intelligence application or other computer software":

I thought in the past that cartoon depictions got supreme court protection based on the 1st amendment. I expect the same will happen here if this gets challenged.

There is an argument that having cartoons or AI's as outlets might prevent these people from committing actual crimes. I am unaware of any actual evidence that proves this.

There is also the concern that those who goon to this material are twisting their own brains thus leading them to see this as acceptable.

By making this a clear crime, it kind of plants a flag in the ground that states that society has determined that this is so unacceptable we will send you to jail for it. No more pedo creep. No more trying to slowly justify it or change people minds.

Or we can stop all of this pussy footing around and reinstitute the death penalty for pedophiles.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Everything is bigger in Texas!!!....including the nude anime females.

 

[IntelDementiumIII]

Since this is an obscenity law, there is room for it to be challenged in court. When it inevitably happens, it's most likely that the non-ai part of the law would be stricken out just like what happened with 18 U.S.C. § 1466A(a)(1) and § 1466A(b)(1) in United States v. Handley, where they were deemed unconstitutionally overbroad for criminalizing certain non-obscene, fictional depictions of minors.

The AI is a coin flip, no idea what would happen to that part.

Let's say this is how it goes and it's whittled down to the AI part, what I'm interested in is what enforcement would look like and downstream from that, particularly if Texas ends up not being alone in this pursuit, how social media would possibly change to not have to deal with it at all. Such things can have consequences far beyond the letter of the law.

 

[Looney Troons]

I play around with Stable Diffusion quite a bit. Where my interests primarily are in creating cool abstract landscapes, I have prompted to generate generic women. Several checkpoints have generated images of young girls, which I had immediately removed.

Places like civitai dot com host checkpoints that are explicitly designed to generate questionable content. This checkpoint is called ‘CuteCandyMix’, and… just look at the comments. These idiots have zero shame.

 

[Spaghetti van Halen]

>Senate Bill 20 creates a new state felony offense for the possession or promotion of obscene visual material that appears to depict a child younger than 18 years old, regardless of whether the depiction is of an actual child, cartoon or animation, or an image created using AI or other computer software.

Isn't the age of consent 17 in Texas? Creates a weird dichotomy where real women come of age before drawings.

 

[Gunslinger Spawn]

We've already had one straight up be banned lol

you mean mothercucker? He was banned for a different kind of sperging before the submission. I still don't know what he was trying to achieve with all "we live in a society" bullshit.
Unless I missed someone else.

 

[Nigga Bullshit]

When it inevitably happens, it's most likely that the non-ai part of the law would be stricken out just like what happened with 18 U.S.C. § 1466A(a)(1) and § 1466A(b)(1) in United States v. Handley, where they were deemed unconstitutionally overbroad for criminalizing certain non-obscene, fictional depictions of minors.

United States v. Handley struck down 18 U.S.C. § 1466A(a)(2) and (b)(2). (a)(1) and (b)(1) are still in effect because they only target material which is obscene and therefore unprotected:

I thought in the past that cartoon depictions got supreme court protection based on the 1st amendment. I expect the same will happen here if this gets challenged.

Cartoons lose First Amendment protection if they are obscene. There's a more detailed explanation in the spoiler in the OP.

I would expect this law to survive legal challenges since it only bans depictions that are obscene. Obscenity isn't protected by the First Amendment. One part that could cause problems though would be the possession part, since just possessing obscenity is protected by Stanley v. Georgia. That only applies in the home though and only if the material wasn't transported in interstate commerce (e.g. through the Internet).

 

[arabianprince]

This comic becomes relevant again

 

[I'm Deid]

This comic becomes relevant again

I can live without loli porn existing

I cannot live without simpsons porn existing

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Hate to rain on the parade but this law is unlikely to stand and work due to the 1st amendment and previous rulings on the subject.

BUT, if you want a silver lining: for such a law to be overturned it would require it be challenge. I doubt that will happen anytime soon. It might at least force these people to actually stay underground and control themselves in the shadows as they should.

 

[Skylavijas]

The argument I've seen lolicons/shotacons use to defend their interest is that some governments or police institutions urged people to stop giving reports of people gooning to underrage anime characters. They explained it as evidence that official institutions don't view their interest as pedophillia and that clamming down on loli content only harms pursuit of real perverts.

But I think that's a misunderstanding. I think the reason governments discourage reports on loli stuff isn't because that content isn't pedophilic, it is because people obsessed with that content are typically deemed as non-offending pedophiles, which places them in the grey area of law. They are not assaulting nor consuming or distributing content involving any actual children. Maybe there could be clauses that state that there should be encouragements for these people to pursue psychological help, in which case it is under an entirely different and separate jurisdiction from the police force.

But the spread of AI art breaks that mold. Since for AI to create pedophilic content requires for it to have access to visual content of real children, which could involve gathering data from underage accounts on places like facebook or instagram, that would constitute gross offense on multiple levels, psychological abuse at the MINIMUM. If a pedo uses content of actual children to create pornography, it is no longer something you can deem to be non-offending, when it's something that can induce trauma both in the child and their family after witnessing it, or can be used for numerous other heinous things like blackmail. So this is opening up an opportunity for governments to properly outlaw loli/shota stuff in the crossfire, and as another poster said, it is very unlikely for the inclusion of that stuff to be challenged. There are people who would be capable of challenging it, but doing so would be a political suicide just about everywhere outside of Japan and Korea.

 

[I'm Deid]

you mean mothercucker? He was banned for a different kind of sperging before the submission. I still don't know what he was trying to achieve with all "we live in a society" bullshit.
Unless I missed someone else.

im talking about the dude who was sperging about hollywood having pedos or some shit like that, that was after the submission

 

[Hooked on phobics]

For anyone living in texas, watch for people suddenly wanting to move in the next few months. Its not 100% proof buuuut....It makes you think if people suddenly want to move away "for no reason"

 

[I'm Deid]

For anyone living in texas, watch for people suddenly wanting to move in the next few months. Its not 100% proof buuuut....It makes you think if people suddenly want to move away "for no reason"

its too expensive and hot here tbh, moving for those reasons alone