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I know this isn't necessary the best thread for this question, but does anyone have any experience in treating bumblefoot in a wild duck? I say wild duck, but it's one of the Peking ducks at the local park. She's been limping for about a week now and seems to be getting worse. Should I just kidnap her and give her Epsom salt baths until the cyst drains?
 
I know this isn't necessary the best thread for this question, but does anyone have any experience in treating bumblefoot in a wild duck? I say wild duck, but it's one of the Peking ducks at the local park. She's been limping for about a week now and seems to be getting worse. Should I just kidnap her and give her Epsom salt baths until the cyst drains?
is there not an animal control where you live you can call? Maybe the Humane Society?
 
I know this isn't necessary the best thread for this question, but does anyone have any experience in treating bumblefoot in a wild duck? I say wild duck, but it's one of the Peking ducks at the local park. She's been limping for about a week now and seems to be getting worse. Should I just kidnap her and give her Epsom salt baths until the cyst drains?
I did a combination of betadine (antiseptic)+warm water soaks and Veterycin spray for one of our ducks who had it (rip Gene), but he was obviously comfortable enough to let me tend to it. It will be much trickier to do the bandaging and all that with a wild duck. If there aren’t any local vets or Humane Society chapters you can call, perhaps try making her warm up to you first by bringing some food so that she eventually cooperates.
 
I was wondering where the livestock and poultry thread was at.

I've got four wonderful rocks that are such good sisters, came from the same hatchery and were shipped to me because the store didn't have enough of the best cold Harty chicken breed.
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Just eat the eggs from them.
It's not uncommon for them to double yolk though it isn't very frequent, especially in higher heat.

Saw that Flemish giant rabbits are good for more docile chicken breeds (my rock girls) and the kids want a pet rabbit or two.

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So in the future I'm thinking of doing that.
Outside of ground proofing what must I do to make this a reality? My girls are very spoiled and have lots of space and I do not let them free range due to the amount of hawks that we have but they have very ample space, it's over 2k sq feet.
The rabbit/rabbits will be pets purely and large warmers for the chickens during winter. I do not intend to breed these unless someone local asks me to and even then I doubt anyone will.

Alternatively I am thinking about fencing in another area next year so we can get another animal holding center, mainly for the geese and possibly rotating them with the chickens so they don't get bored of sleeping/being in the same place always. The geese are going to be a larger breed so I'm less worried about a hawk attack with them, but they will have fencing of some sort.
At some point I'd like to put all my animals together possibly.

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(Shock and awe at the size of these specimens)

What's a good amount of space for some big 20+ lbs breeds of geese? Let's say I'd have around 4-8. Could look it up elsewhere but I'd like to see more love on this board so let's talk about it here! :heart-full:
 
I only hear good things about bard and plymouth rocks.

How many bareds do you have in your flock?
Are all seven of them bareds?
 
I don't want to have to build two coops when the one I have is already big enough for all the ducks I could want. Why can't these little fucks just get along. Anyone have any experience with similar problems? Are my ducks just assholes and it should have worked or did I do something wrong? Besides not properly securing the greenhouse, I'm retarded, I feel bad about it, I got complacent.
I got a couple older Pekin ducks for free, 1 has bad legs so I was worried it would be picked on but so far nothing. They won't go near the other group but they stay in the same coop (20x10 approx)
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Thanks. 3 days seems like sufficient amount of time. If they're still being dumb, they can go back in for a bit longer.
The layer group we raised this spring has been the worst group ever, they couldn't figure out going in at night for over a week. We finally gave up and moved their coop into the cow pasture so the electric fence is protecting them.

Outside of ground proofing what must I do to make this a reality? My girls are very spoiled and have lots of space and I do not let them free range due to the amount of hawks that we have but they have very ample space, it's over 2k sq feet.
What's a good amount of space for some big 20+ lbs breeds of geese? Let's say I'd have around 4-8.
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Barred Rocks are my second favorite after Sapphire Gems

Are the chicken area and geese area the same thing or 2 different pens you're building? Are you building a space for them to be outside during the day only or secure enough for them to not be closed in at night? We do free range with hundreds of egg layers and the roosters do a good job of watching the sky, not as good at watching for coyotes. imgp_149.webp

I haven't raised geese but turkeys are close enough in size. We grew a batch of ~30 out in a 10x20 shelter, after they hit 20lb they were moved out with ~10 larger turkeys to a ~160' electric net (approx 50' diameter) and had enough grass to be moved once per week.
 
Are the chicken area and geese area the same thing or 2 different pens you're building? Are you building a space for them to be outside during the day only or secure enough for them to not be closed in at night? We do free range with hundreds of egg layers and the roosters do a good job of watching
I'm unsure. Have ample land but fencing is expensive and I'd rather keep my flock small since if the CDC comes in and says my chickens need McNuked I might McLose it in these fine McStates.
I have a livestock guardian dog who is on site with coyotes, raptors and hates foxes too. Though I haven't seen any traces of coyotes/foxes around the chickens and the dog stays on a lead out next to them for now. Once we get fencing I want her to live in with a flock. If they're all together I'll have to make sure that she'll be ok with the rabbit which... she might be, she's usually great with animals that aren't raptors or coyotes/foxes. The rabbit/rabbits can be housed separately if need be.

Any specific suggestions? The Flems are becoming more a reality everyday so I'm thinking that I might actually put them in with both sets of birds if my tiny flocks get along.

From the numbers you're giving me though, fencing might not be as much as I thought. Do you think I should try to just move them all together at some point? Do you have any price points from Rural King or Tractor Supply with labor rates/estimates? Or systems that we could install?
Just guesstimates. My husband is really busy right now with summer harvest and autumn harvest prep and the kids. I work full time so my time I can spend on research is limited, the answers have varied so much from flimsy fencing that seems barely suitable to the most expensive and boutique pens made up by some cottage core cringetokers. It's frustrating to say the least. Dunno why I can't find something between crack shack and barely working to Disney Princess Core crap.

If the geese are around I'm not thinking I'll need roosters? I'm not against them. We just don't have a use for them now due to our set up, and we're doing semi subsistence farming, and again, wanting to keep the flocks small so having a stud wouldn't be the best option, even if he was a gentleman. Might expand later but want to try it small scale first. Finding a butcher is nearly impossible due to the JBS BS, even a traveling one costs a bit so it would mainly be geese for friends, eggs, and an unlucky one might be food every few years.
So when geese are had I think it would be a good time to let all poultry free range.

If the price is decent let's say that I'd want to have a day area and then give them (either bird, or both) extra protection at night with the dog ideally in with them once we're sure that she knows that they're not only not food, which she mostly does by now, but also not dogs, we're still working on that part. To be fair, the hens thinks she's a large chicken and follow her around mimicking her, "foraging" which... LGD, we know what they're, "foraging" 🤢

Thank you so much for all your information! This was a wonderful starting point! :heart-full:
Your animals are beautiful btw! Did I see Orpingtons?
 
I'm unsure. Have ample land but fencing is expensive and I'd rather keep my flock small
Small is anything under 1 or 2 thousand birds, most people are shocked when we tell them how many chickens we have since they spread out a lot mostly in groups of 10-20. Fence material prices are the same reasons mine are free range.
I have a livestock guardian dog who is on site with coyotes, raptors and hates foxes too. Though I haven't seen any traces of coyotes/foxes around the chickens and the dog stays on a lead out next to them for now. Once we get fencing I want her to live in with a flock. If they're all together I'll have to make sure that she'll be ok with the rabbit which... she might be, she's usually great with animals that aren't raptors or coyotes/foxes. The rabbit/rabbits can be housed separately if need be.
The dogs scent probably helps keep them away, I don't have rabbits so I've got to warn you any fencing advice I give won't factor that in

Do you think I should try to just move them all together at some point? Do you have any price points from Rural King or Tractor Supply with labor rates/estimates? Or systems that we could install?
Them all as in the chickens and future geese? Yeah I'm sure they'd be fine together. We have 1 Tom and 2 female turkeys that live with our main layer flock they get along just fine even though they were raised separate from the chickens.

The fence I used for the turkey's is this, there's a poultry version for $50 more but I think it's nearly the same. The temporary push in type fence is great for moving them around an area. Chickens will likely shove themselves through since it can't shock their feathers but it'll keep large birds in and coyotes out. I've posted about it before, I've had 1 turkey injured because she slept up against the fence and got bit through it. The fence did it's job, you can't prevent them from sleeping too close to it unless they're inside.

If you want a more substantial, permanent fence I'd suggest using posts and chicken wire. I don't have specific product suggestions for the chicken wire but you don't need something heavy like cattle panels if you've got electric wire on the outside. Use standoffs to make sure your hot wire doesn't connect with the chicken wire.

Another more substantial but less permanent option would be bending cattle panels into a hoop shape, add chicken wire 4' up the sides and pounding in T posts along the outer edges. That's how our meat birds cages are made except they're secured to a wood frame to be moved around, they stay in those 24/7 until butcher day after growing out in the brooder. We've lost a few meat birds to coyotes/raccoons digging or reaching under the edge and pulling them out.

Last but not least the cheap-n-easy, grab a 10x20 tube frame off of Facebook marketplace and wrap it in chicken wire. Get one of those used billboard tarps for the roof they're super thick.
If the geese are around I'm not thinking I'll need roosters? I'm not against them. We just don't have a use for them now due to our set up, and we're doing semi subsistence farming, and again, wanting to keep the flocks small so having a stud wouldn't be the best option, even if he was a gentleman. Might expand later but want to try it small scale first. Finding a butcher is nearly impossible due to the JBS BS, even a traveling one costs a bit so it would mainly be geese for friends, eggs, and an unlucky one might be food every few years.
So when geese are had I think it would be a good time to let all poultry free range.
Geese won't give their lives protecting the hens like a rooster will but yes having larger birds with the chickens helps deter hawks during the day. It's doesn't help at night though, I lost a guinea hen that stayed outside with the turkeys to a hawk or owl overnight.

I haven't been effected by that luckily, 1 processor nearby has been closed for almost 8 months now for renovations and I'm wondering if they'll ever reopen. The Amish place I use have been better than ever (USDA inspected, not some random Amish guy) they got new packaging so my cuts are on a foam platter instead of thrown in a bag!
To be fair, the hens thinks she's a large chicken and follow her around mimicking her, "foraging" which... LGD, we know what they're, "foraging" 🤢
Ugh gross, chicken shit it's what canines crave
Thank you so much for all your information! This was a wonderful starting point! :heart-full:
Your animals are beautiful btw! Did I see Orpingtons?
You're welcome, those are silver laced wyandottes, similar color to a buff orpington or speckled sussex
 
Thank you so much for all the extra information @Rakovnik . I've been trying to figure out how to respond to your post but don't have much to say other than thank you.
I'll take this information with, learned a lot about poultry since entering this thread! :heart-full:
 
I was wondering where the livestock and poultry thread was at.

I've got four wonderful rocks that are such good sisters, came from the same hatchery and were shipped to me because the store didn't have enough of the best cold Harty chicken breed.
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Just eat the eggs from them.
It's not uncommon for them to double yolk though it isn't very frequent, especially in higher heat.

Saw that Flemish giant rabbits are good for more docile chicken breeds (my rock girls) and the kids want a pet rabbit or two.

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So in the future I'm thinking of doing that.
Outside of ground proofing what must I do to make this a reality? My girls are very spoiled and have lots of space and I do not let them free range due to the amount of hawks that we have but they have very ample space, it's over 2k sq feet.
The rabbit/rabbits will be pets purely and large warmers for the chickens during winter. I do not intend to breed these unless someone local asks me to and even then I doubt anyone will.

Alternatively I am thinking about fencing in another area next year so we can get another animal holding center, mainly for the geese and possibly rotating them with the chickens so they don't get bored of sleeping/being in the same place always. The geese are going to be a larger breed so I'm less worried about a hawk attack with them, but they will have fencing of some sort.
At some point I'd like to put all my animals together possibly.

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(Shock and awe at the size of these specimens)

What's a good amount of space for some big 20+ lbs breeds of geese? Let's say I'd have around 4-8. Could look it up elsewhere but I'd like to see more love on this board so let's talk about it here! :heart-full:
You'll want pasture for geese. They eat up to 80% of their food in grass, and even up to 98% if your grass is really good in the summer. I've got 5 geese (2 are old timers) and they are able to keep my back yard lawn mowed all summer, which is about aa 1/4 acre. They mainly focus on the fresh tips of grass that regrows after its been cut, so they like coming in and munching on my front yard when its regrown after mowing. Geese really benefit from sleeping in the same area, as they are territorial by design, and they prefer it if its a completely enclosed area. You can pasture them full time, but I've found that they prefer somewhere to retire to at night. Good thing about geese is they're pretty intelligent, and will follow pointing and directions much better then cows will. They are very good with routines, so if you lock them up at night, and walk them out to a new pasture everyday, and then take them back to their coop, they will learn the process very well. Depending on the quality of your grass you can get anywhere from 20 to 50 geese per acre, and I like to supplement their feed with the laying pellets I feed my chickens.
 
Depending on the quality of your grass you can get anywhere from 20 to 50 geese per acre, and I like to supplement their feed with the laying pellets I feed my chickens.
This is great information to know! The whole post was great but for brevity, I've just included this part.
The numbers I was getting for geese per acre was all over the place! This seems to be about in the middle of the numbers I've seen.

Thank you! I've got lots of space for them, so it shouldn't be too much of an issue and lots of pasture land for them.

Are geese tasty? Or do you just raise them for eggs? I talked to another poultry farmer recently and she said that duck was the way to go both for egg and meat wise. I'm wondering if people just raise their geese wrong or slaughter them too late to make them not taste as good.
 
This is great information to know! The whole post was great but for brevity, I've just included this part.
The numbers I was getting for geese per acre was all over the place! This seems to be about in the middle of the numbers I've seen.

Thank you! I've got lots of space for them, so it shouldn't be too much of an issue and lots of pasture land for them.

Are geese tasty? Or do you just raise them for eggs? I talked to another poultry farmer recently and she said that duck was the way to go both for egg and meat wise. I'm wondering if people just raise their geese wrong or slaughter them too late to make them not taste as good.
Glad to have been helpful!
The numbers can very so wildly simply because it really boils down to how you're managing your pasture and if you supply extra feed. I would be able to have closer to 70 geese per acre if I rotated them daily to fresh pasture and provided a little extra feed; meanwhile, I'd be closer to 15 per acre if they sat in the same spot all year round with no feed. I've found that if you take it slow, and ramp up as your time and resources allow, you'll find out what your goldilocks management looks like.

I personally love the taste of geese, and my favorite way of cooking them is as a confit (slow cooked in their own fat). This was tasty enough that even my really picky SIL thought it was delicious. The breast (skin on) fried with fresh rosemary and garlic is also peak gourmet cooking. This is a bit gamier, but not as gamey as wild geese.

There are 3 things that ducks are really good for: weeding, meat, fat, and eggs. For meat and eggs they are better than geese as they produce eggs for a longer period than geese do. Geese are good for: weeding, meat, eggs, fat, and alerting at predators. I've also been able to keep my geese using a lot less water than I would've with ducks, so unless you get runner ducks then you'll expect to use a lot more water for ducks.

Overall I love my geese but they aren't for everyone. They're highly opinionated, sometimes mean, loud, and get very violent during breeding season. But they are also funny, personal, tasty, and affectionate, and they've saved my chickens from a hawk more then once.
 
Overall I love my geese but they aren't for everyone. They're highly opinionated, sometimes mean, loud, and get very violent during breeding season. But they are also funny, personal, tasty, and affectionate, and they've saved my chickens from a hawk more then once.
I will probably look into going forward with the geese then since they seem more up our ally.

My last question is with my barred rocks do you think they'll be good?
I was thinking about having them cohabitate once the geese get a bit established, or even raising goslings with my hens so they see them as family.

Do you have any experience with this? We have an all hen flock. Only four, very tiny but my hens are very spoiled and live a very charmed and happy life. The pecking order is relatively lax with my bottom hen being relatively free from bullying more or less, at most she tends to get body blocked during food time but it isn't for long, the other hens don't obsess over her not eating they all just want to eat first. Once everyone's eating she's fine to do as she pleases, rarely do others interrupt her, even if she's eating last, she doesn't get bullied when finishing her meal.
 
I will probably look into going forward with the geese then since they seem more up our ally.

My last question is with my barred rocks do you think they'll be good?
I was thinking about having them cohabitate once the geese get a bit established, or even raising goslings with my hens so they see them as family.

Do you have any experience with this? We have an all hen flock. Only four, very tiny but my hens are very spoiled and live a very charmed and happy life. The pecking order is relatively lax with my bottom hen being relatively free from bullying more or less, at most she tends to get body blocked during food time but it isn't for long, the other hens don't obsess over her not eating they all just want to eat first. Once everyone's eating she's fine to do as she pleases, rarely do others interrupt her, even if she's eating last, she doesn't get bullied when finishing her meal.
If the geese are raised with the hens as goslings then they should be fine. My geese were older when I got them (a lady was giving them away because they attacked her kid lol), so I had some issues with the geese picking on my hens a bit when feeding, and only during feeding. Now they all sleep in the same coop without issue.
 
They aren't geese but I have ducks, chickens, and turkeys all in the same coop. They get along for the most part, the hens fight among themselves more than any different groups vs each other. 3 of the 7 turkeys were raised with last year's meat turkeys and only moved into the chicken coop last winter, the other 4 are new as of a month ago and came from a family who's daughter would hug and pet them, they all adjusted fine.

They're only locked up at night then free range all day so that helps keep stress low on them, I'd need a much larger coop otherwise. They have a couple large feeders that are nearly always full that way they eat whenever and don't fight for space.

Ducks were the pickiest about other ducks being added but I didn't have to kill the old flock like I've read others do. To put it as simply as possible I've got, flock 1 2m 2f, flock 2 7f, flock 3 2m, flock 4 3M 2f and they'd pretty strictly all stay in separate groups up until the day flock #4 was added they were walking around the farm in a huge line together. First 2 groups were raised here, last 2 came here fully grown
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They aren't geese but I have ducks, chickens, and turkeys all in the same coop. They get along for the most part, the hens fight among themselves more than any different groups vs each other.
I've heard of this rarely but I think that's because other poultry forums I've seen have more commercial, large and probably come from inheritance from family members, so, just larger numbers overall. These people genuinely seem as if it's something they've been doing their whole lives, are set in their ways, and, consequentially, their family's ways.

Which isn't a bad thing, but outside of chicken talk mixing poultry seems to be haram, unless it's ducks and chickens, so it's nice to know that you can mix up your fowl and still have a good time. 8)
 
Interesting to hear from fellow Kiwi Farmers. I have suckler herd of 20 Cattle and I also have 7 Donkeys. This is a fairly small scale where I'm from. I'm heavily understocked, in terms of animals to acres ratio, and to the amount of space I have in the slatted units, but if I expand further it would be a full time job, and I already have a full time job.

I enjoy the farming, but its far from a profitable enterprise for me. But I do still want to keep it going in some capacity as my lineage has farmed this same land going back a four generations at this stage.
 
Interesting to hear from fellow Kiwi Farmers. I have suckler herd of 20 Cattle and I also have 7 Donkeys. This is a fairly small scale where I'm from. I'm heavily understocked, in terms of animals to acres ratio, and to the amount of space I have in the slatted units, but if I expand further it would be a full time job, and I already have a full time job.

I enjoy the farming, but its far from a profitable enterprise for me. But I do still want to keep it going in some capacity as my lineage has farmed this same land going back a four generations at this stage.
20 head of cattle is a good start, what's the capacity of your slat barn? Have you looked into any ways you could speed up your time spent on the cattle so you could get more without dedicating more time to them? Also is it a modern type of slat barn where you can clean the lanes out with a loader or are you cleaning by hand? What's your current sale method, do you have USDA cuts in stock that you're ready to sell or do you sell whole cows to feedlots or individuals?

Do you have a big enough population nearby that you can profit from a farm stand or are you more rural? Our chicken and turkey meat sell really well, I think the thanksgiving turkey presale sold 75% out without being advertised at all, we constantly have customers ask about beef but our 2 cows are still babies. Definitely don't make the switch until your farm is more profitable but maybe easing into it by adding cattle and switching to part time is an option?

I understand wanting to keep the farm running since that's what I do full time now, it's not easy and there's not a ton of money in it (for my size farm at least) but I still spent over $1000 in paint for a 1800's corn crib last week because all the generations before me kept the thing up and I'll be damned if I let it fall apart while I'm around.
 
what's the capacity of your slat barn?
I'd guess around 60 comfortably. I have 3 sheds. 1 shed with 2 bays, and 2 sheds with 3 bays. The bays arent all the same size but I reckon I could comfortably keep 60 cattle. I have a machinery shed also, that in the past was used as calving units with some bedding.

Have you looked into any ways you could speed up your time spent on the cattle so you could get more without dedicating more time to them?
I feel my biggest source of time is fencing and dealing with water. I don't keep the cattle inside too long. I only have a few of them in at the moment, the bulls im weening. The rest of the cattle are out. And they're not too much work when they're out, once the fencing and water is working.

Moving the strip grazing temporary fencing is probably my least favourite job. I have looked at some solutions like nofence, which is a geofenced shock collar (very topical haha). But I would be worried the geofencing would not work right and they keep getting zapped.


Also is it a modern type of slat barn where you can clean the lanes out with a loader or are you cleaning by hand? What
I do have the space to clean it out with the front loader, but at this scale its easier to remove the roughage with a fork and barrow. It's mostly rushes left over that the cattle don't eat. thats another job, topping them and spraying them before I have the field baled. I have a topper and sprayer, but the baling is left to a contractor.
What's your current sale method, do you have USDA cuts in stock that you're ready to sell or do you sell whole cows to feedlots or individuals?
I'm not based in the US, that classification for us would be at a later stage. I bring them to the local mart, sometimes its mega dealers that buy them via representatives, sometimes its other farmers of a scale more similar to me, that feel they can fatten them further.

Do you have a big enough population nearby that you can profit from a farm stand or are you more rural?
There are some local farmers markets, but this is mostly for fruit and vegetables. It is cool that ye sell Chicken and Turkey at these. I wouldn't really have anything for this without a large change of how I'm farming.
I understand wanting to keep the farm running since that's what I do full time now, it's not easy and there's not a ton of money in it (for my size farm at least) but I still spent over $1000 in paint for a 1800's corn crib last week because all the generations before me kept the thing up and I'll be damned if I let it fall apart while I'm around.
Money well spent. I have always loved the look of these barns, the red ones, it is classic Americana.
 
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