Life after prison - What happens if Chris is One Day released from prison

[Tangie]

He can believe whatever the hell he wants but if he knows that raping old ladies is bad, he can't get out on insanity. To be considered criminally insane, the only thing that's cared about is if the defendant understood what they were doing and that it was illegal to do so at the time of the offense. Any other delusions or disorders do not matter to being criminally insane. Chris understood that incest was wrong at the time he was banging Barb, and therefore can not be considered criminally insane. He can believe that he was healing Barb, or freeing her soul or injecting poison into her so that she can croak quicker, but he still knew that having sex with his mom was wrong and that's all that matters.

What’s the proof Chris truly knew and it was proven that he knew it was bad. In this case the burden of proof is on the prosecution.

 

[TestTubePuppy]

What’s the proof Chris truly knew and it was proven that he knew it was bad.

He didn't tell people about it, and when he did, he lied about the details and made excuses. He clearly knew it was wrong.

 

[Jon Osterman]

What’s the proof Chris truly knew and it was proven that he knew it was bad. In this case the burden of proof is on the prosecution.

He tried his hardest to keep it a secret until he stopped, lying to null about it. He was also very pissed when Bella leaked it, showing he clearly knew that if people found it, it'd be bad.
It's harder to disprove that he knew the rape was wrong, firstly because it's a bit hazy if it even was rape. It is possible that he thought Barb had consented because Barbchu said she needed to be free, but that is highly speculative and honestly throwing you a bone.

 

[Tangie]

He tried his hardest to keep it a secret until he stopped, lying to null about it. He was also very pissed when Bella leaked it, showing he clearly knew that if people found it, it'd be bad.
It's harder to disprove that he knew the rape was wrong, firstly because it's a bit hazy if it even was rape. It is possible that he thought Barb had consented because Barbchu said she needed to be free, but that is highly speculative and honestly throwing you a bone.

Chris was capable of keeping certain things private for small periods of time. The “as seen on tv” tape wasn’t leaked for quite a while. Months at least for the directors cut.

He never wanted the incest out of course. It could be proved that he was incapable of not letting it out because of his retardation and being terminally online.

Bringing up Bella, her influence may be able to be proven as having influence over him. His lawyer could easily say he was “healing barb” or whatever he thought he was doing. That’s more recent so I’m not as sure about what he truly thought or what can be proven in court.

If we are saying that him hiding it was showing he knew it was bad that’s simply not the case. It was only a month before it was leaked.

Edit: PLEASE keep in mind I am thinking about this in a court of law.

 

[Jon Osterman]

PLEASE keep in mind I am thinking about this in a court of law.

If you are thinking about this in a court of law then you forget one important factor: the jury. It is ultimately a jury that rules if someone is insane or not, and that jury most likely won't care to read up on our favorite tard. They'll see that he tried to conceal the incest with fake info and that he got pissed when it was leaked, and immediately say that he understood what he was doing and rule out insanity even if that remarkably wasn't the case. Say whatever you want about that not being the right verdict, that is still what they'll decide because the jury won't be Christorians who knew every little intricacy that makes Chris act how he does.

 

[Tangie]

If you are thinking about this in a court of law then you forget one important factor: the jury. It is ultimately a jury that rules if someone is insane or not, and that jury most likely won't care to read up on our favorite tard. They'll see that he tried to conceal the incest with fake info and that he got pissed when it was leaked, and immediately say that he understood what he was doing and rule out insanity even if that remarkably wasn't the case. Say whatever you want about that not being the right verdict, that is still what they'll decide because the jury won't be Christorians who knew every little intricacy that makes Chris act how he does.

If a jury ruled on it. It may be a judge.

Either way, do you really not think the defense would submit a few videos, at the very least?

Chris Chan's Best Freakout

youtu.be

I guarantee this gets submitted into the evidence a jury would watch in court.

That’s just the beginning.

 

[Raiken]

If a jury ruled on it. It may be a judge.

Either way, do you really not think the defense would submit a few videos, at the very least?

Chris Chan's Best Freakout

youtu.be

I guarantee this gets submitted into the evidence a jury would watch in court.

That’s just the beginning.

i can only imagine a jimmy mcgill like character trying to downplay what hapened and then the procecutor just saying "play the videos".

 

[The Dude]

He tried his hardest to keep it a secret until he stopped, lying to null about it. He was also very pissed when Bella leaked it, showing he clearly knew that if people found it, it'd be bad.
It's harder to disprove that he knew the rape was wrong, firstly because it's a bit hazy if it even was rape. It is possible that he thought Barb had consented because Barbchu said she needed to be free, but that is highly speculative and honestly throwing you a bone.

Let's also keep in mind that he has commented on incestuous relationships in the past, such as news articles reporting on a mother and son engaging in such behavior, and received feed back from others about how the majority of society finds incest of any kind disgusting and deviant. He spoke openly about how he understood that it is illegal in most of the country and didn't agree with it being illegal as long as it was between adults. So he clearly knew that incest is illegal.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

Damnit, I miss Pointless Sperg. Read the FAQ that covers basically everything you could want to know about the legal process related to Chris. It is extremely difficult to argue NGRI and Chris was certainly capable of understanding what he was doing and that it was wrong. Even if he believed it wasn’t morally wrong, that’s irrelevant; he tried to hide it showing pretty clearly that he knew there would be consequences if he was caught. A vigilante murderer isn’t ruled insane because they believed there was nothing morally wrong about their actions.

Chris may be, and already has been, deemed unfit to stand trial temporarily due to his mental state making him unable to assist in his own defense but that has nothing to do with guilt or lack thereof. That’s the closest that general “craziness” is to being relevant.

 

[Chongqing]

I may have posted about this before, but Virginia has a very strong law that protects people with autism from prosecution if autism played a role in their crime.

I remember there was a case of some guy who crashed into a family's vehicle. When they yelled at him, he fled the scene and this put a sequence of events in motion that resulted in a lot of crimes being committed. In the end, all of the very serious charges didn't stick somehow (I can't remember the details) because autism played a role in the events.

I keep thinking this is why Chris hasn't gone to trial.

 

[Yamcha's Only Fan]

If he ever walks free then Chris will be an even bigger drain on the taxpayer. Any section 8 housing he is provided he will ruin and fill with toys. The best thing for him would be to in a mental ward for the rest of his life. Aka the boring end.

Its really looking like that's going to be the case. I do think that since Chris has been in jail he's sorta acclimated to it, and when he gets out he won't really care if he goes back in. I don't think he'll fear going back to jail, since it means he has people effectively taking care of him and running his life for him, and all that will take is him violating his parole.

 

[Jon Osterman]

If a jury ruled on it. It may be a judge.

It's a jury that does so. This would be a criminal case and the jury decides sentencing

Either way, do you really not think the defense would submit a few videos, at the very least?

Chris Chan's Best Freakout

youtu.be

I guarantee this gets submitted into the evidence a jury would watch in court.

That’s just the beginning.

Is that a video of him talking about how he'll free Barb's soul and that she's not his real mom anyways? No? Then it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is if he knew banging Barb was wrong and he did. The jury can get a full history of the Idea Guys and the merge and it wouldn't matter because it has nothing to do with the offense.

 

[Ophelia]

It's a jury that does so. This would be a criminal case and the jury decides sentencing

Chris has the right to request a bench trial, if I’m not mistaken.

 

[TestTubePuppy]

PLEASE keep in mind I am thinking about this in a court of law.

Sorry... not a freakin' chance. Insanity is hard enough to prove when it's true. Chris isn't insane, he is profoundly dumb. Those are two different things.

 

[Tangie]

It's a jury that does so. This would be a criminal case and the jury decides sentencing

Is that a video of him talking about how he'll free Barb's soul and that she's not his real mom anyways? No? Then it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is if he knew banging Barb was wrong and he did. The jury can get a full history of the Idea Guys and the merge and it wouldn't matter because it has nothing to do with the offense.

According to the FAQ it will be a judge no matter what because of his jurisdiction. If you go to the second post in the FAQ sperg made it gets into good detail about this and other related insanity/competency issues Chris may face in court.

That video is an insight into what his mental state is which will certainly be shown in court and taken into account by the judge. He wouldn’t have been in Western if they weren’t reviewing his actions in jail as well as evidence of his mental state before incest saga.

I do understand that many people go in and out of these mental hospitals for short stints at a time. But the fact Chris was even there shows they may not rule him competent for trial, especially considering they are most likely waiting for a bed to open so he can go back.

I’m sure the citizens of ruckersville would love for him to be in Western the rest of his life. Especially the police. Not that that necessarily means anything in a court of law.

Makes sense why sperg isn’t on. Has to answer the same questions over and over again. To be fair, there’s like a million questions and it’s easy to skip over one.

 

[Jon Osterman]

That video is an insight into what his mental state is which will certainly be shown in court and taken into account by the judge. He wouldn’t have been in Western if they weren’t reviewing his actions in jail as well as evidence of his mental state before incest saga.

That video is almost 3 years old and has nothing to do with banging Barb. It would be pretty damn useless to present it to a jury because it wouldn't tell them anything about the mental state he was in while committing the crime. A better but still ultimately useless video would be his last video, where he punched the wall multiple times to try and free the dimensions and tried to get Hasbro to continue MLP Gen 4 because the characters said so. Presenting that to a jury would show that he clearly has some sort of mental disorder, but still wouldn't tell them if Chris understood whether or not banging Barb was wrong or not, which is the most important part of an insanity plea.

In this case the burden of proof is on the prosecution.

I forgot to bring this up, this is absolutely wrong. The court does not work under "insane until proven sane" and it would be up to the defense to prove that Chris does qualify as insane. If they can't, then the jury would judge him as sane.

 

[Tangie]

That video is almost 3 years old and has nothing to do with banging Barb. It would be pretty damn useless to present it to a jury because it wouldn't tell them anything about the mental state he was in while committing the crime. A better but still ultimately useless video would be his last video, where he punched the wall multiple times to try and free the dimensions and tried to get Hasbro to continue MLP Gen 4 because the characters said so. Presenting that to a jury would show that he clearly has some sort of mental disorder, but still wouldn't tell them if Chris understood whether or not banging Barb was wrong or not, which is the most important part of an insanity plea.

I forgot to bring this up, this is absolutely wrong. The court does not work under "insane until proven sane" and it would be up to the defense to prove that Chris does qualify as insane. If they can't, then the jury would judge him as sane.

Okay, so the judge is trying to see if he is competent to stand trial right now rather than if he is insane.

Are you saying said judge wouldn’t look at any of Chris’s past internet history in any of these proceedings?

 

[Lancelot]

Chris was capable of keeping certain things private for small periods of time. The “as seen on tv” tape wasn’t leaked for quite a while. Months at least for the directors cut.

He never wanted the incest out of course. It could be proved that he was incapable of not letting it out because of his retardation and being terminally online.

Bringing up Bella, her influence may be able to be proven as having influence over him. His lawyer could easily say he was “healing barb” or whatever he thought he was doing. That’s more recent so I’m not as sure about what he truly thought or what can be proven in court.

If we are saying that him hiding it was showing he knew it was bad that’s simply not the case. It was only a month before it was leaked.

Edit: PLEASE keep in mind I am thinking about this in a court of law.

"he never wanted the incest out" that sounds like recognition of reality.
Again being a retard doesnt make someone insane. The bar for insanity is very high and is beyond just delusions. Chris might not fully appreciate why laws and social rules exist, but he very clearly does recognise them. He points out in his comics that even when everyone is stripping the underage character cant because of "those pesky laws " . He takes active steps to obsfuscate and hide his relationship with barb.
There just doesnt seem to be an argument that he somehow had no comprehension of what he was doing. Id also point out ignorance of the law isnt an excuse for breaking the law within the court system. The law is predicated on what a reasonable person would believe and an insanity defence isnt there to be used by someone who just made an irrational or stupid decision; but who is incapable of rational thought (at very least at the times when the crimes took place) .

"Bell could have influence over him"
It wouldnt matter in anything but sentencing. There are aggravating and (mitigating ? ) factors in sentencing.
Lots of people get sweet talked into committing crimes . That is just a motivating factor to do them. Not some catch all prevention of responsibility. Plus chris has a very long leadup of increasingly awkward relationships with his mum

What’s the proof Chris truly knew and it was proven that he knew it was bad. In this case the burden of proof is on the prosecution.

Not necessarily.
In most jurisdictions in the US the defence must show evidence of insanity. It would be silly make work to require the prosecution prove everyone is sane at the specific moment any crime occured before conviction when no evidence of insanity exists.
Again mental illness doesnt = insanity. prisons are full of mentally ill

If a jury ruled on it. It may be a judge.

Either way, do you really not think the defense would submit a few videos, at the very least?

Chris Chan's Best Freakout

youtu.be

I guarantee this gets submitted into the evidence a jury would watch in court.

That’s just the beginning.

"you guarantee it would be submitted"
If the judge allows it. When the video was recorded, what the context was. Its very easy for a judge to decide a videos probative value is infinitely less than its prejudicial effect. Plus most of the videos reaffirm the same thing
1: Chris has autism which doesnt = insanity
2: Chris plays pretend and potentially might have delusions which doesnt = insanity.
Chris has odd behaviours but clearly has rationales behind what he does. There just isnt the evidence that he cant comprehend right from wrong when there is decades of him discussing it. He has described his reasons for drawing porn of meghan as a release to "keep from acting horrible to her". He routinely lies when the truth would paint him in an unethical or bad light including with his relationship towards barb.
Again this insanity defence bs needs to die off. Its getting pretty clear that chris is gonna end up in a home . Virginias strong autism laws will likely get any heavier charges dropped.

 

[TheBigZee]

Chris has the right to request a bench trial, if I’m not mistaken.

In general, in virginia I think the prosecution has to agree.

Without a tugboat captain (ssi payee) and legal guardian, Chris is going to be homeless within the year. The payee will make sure his rent is paid, and a guardian will institutionalize him/force him to be on LAI medicine when he does something autistic/retarded that could result in him losing housing.

 

[Ophelia]

It’s more likely Chris is waiting for a bed in a tard home than in a mental facility.

In general, in virginia I think the prosecution has to agree.

Would they not?

Without a tugboat captain (ssi payee) and legal guardian, Chris is going to be homeless within the year. The payee will make sure his rent is paid, and a guardian will institutionalize him/force him to be on LAI medicine when he does something autistic/retarded that could result in him losing housing.

I would really like to see Chris lose control of his money.