Science Let's Declare a Pandemic Amnesty - [LOL] We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.

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In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.

I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID. We’ve spent several lectures reliving the first year of the pandemic, discussing the many important choices we had to make under conditions of tremendous uncertainty.

Some of these choices turned out better than others. To take an example close to my own work, there is an emerging (if not universal) consensus that schools in the U.S. were closed for too long: The health risks of in-school spread were relatively low, whereas the costs to students’ well-being and educational progress were high. The latest figures on learning loss are alarming. But in spring and summer 2020, we had only glimmers of information. Reasonable people—people who cared about children and teachers—advocated on both sides of the reopening debate.

Another example: When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.

Obviously some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims. Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach? That was bad. Misinformation was, and remains, a huge problem. But most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.

Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic. And on every topic, someone was eventually proved right, and someone else was proved wrong. In some instances, the right people were right for the wrong reasons. In other instances, they had a prescient understanding of the available information.

The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat. Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. All of this gloating and defensiveness continues to gobble up a lot of social energy and to drive the culture wars, especially on the internet. These discussions are heated, unpleasant and, ultimately, unproductive. In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. And, similarly, getting something wrong wasn’t a moral failing. Treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward.

We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty. We can leave out the willful purveyors of actual misinformation while forgiving the hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020. Ex post facto, this makes no more sense than my family’s masked hiking trips. But we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks, too. Because I thought schools should reopen and argued that kids as a group were not at high risk, I was called a “teacher killer” and a “génocidaire.” It wasn’t pleasant, but feelings were high. And I certainly don’t need to dissect and rehash that time for the rest of my days.

Moving on is crucial now, because the pandemic created many problems that we still need to solve.

Student test scores have shown historic declines, more so in math than in reading, and more so for students who were disadvantaged at the start. We need to collect data, experiment, and invest. Is high-dosage tutoring more or less cost-effective than extended school years? Why have some states recovered faster than others? We should focus on questions like these, because answering them is how we will help our children recover.

Many people have neglected their health care over the past several years. Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up. Pediatricians and public-health officials will need to work together on community outreach, and politicians will need to consider school mandates.

The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. But dwelling on the mistakes of history can lead to a repetitive doom loop as well. Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/ (Archive)
 
I'd spit (and worse) on these holier-than-thou faggots, not forgive and forget. Disgusting filth gloating over people's deaths, and acting like the garbage vax makes them better than those who died.
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These cocksuckers called me a Nazi grandma killer for simply asserting my most fundamental civil rights and demanded I be forcibly detained in my home, lose my job, and be vaccinated against my will,
While literally euthanizing grandma because she was dying of loneliness and getting herself killed was the only way she'd be allowed in the same room as her family ever again
but now I'm supposed to forgive and forget.

Not that you're wrong. It's just that when mentioning grandma specifically, the hypocrisy is more important than the personal. Mentioning Levine and those other states that crammed plague bearers in with grandma is good too.

probably mentioned this slight pl here before but I got into a spat with someone because a commenter said something about being suicidal from lockdown and she replied with “at least if you kill yourself you won’t spread covid” and I was the one how got shit for speaking against that.
As I alluded to with the above link, that was literally medical policy in some places. You couldn't visit grandma because that would kill her, but the government will pay for her to die so she can be with her family one last time. And that event is somehow not a super spreader nor an event that kills grandma.



Now as for personal grievances, tldr, but I remember when KF was on alert before it was the cool thing to do, and the left were laughing at Trump for thinking closing down international travel would help. I remember when they then believed that other countries closing their borders was genius.

If they want me to forgive, they have to at least be willing to:
  • REMEMBER HIS NAME : LI WENLIANG
  • Fuck the WHO over that fake-ass disconnecting issue when discussing how Taiwan handled the outbreak well
  • Fuck China for somehow managing to go full dystopian hell over this and still not keep it confined to their own borders. And then for going out of their way to buy up the quality supplies worldwide while doing fake charity sending everyone faulty gear to get everyone infected
  • Fuck the libs who stopped wanting to fuck China over Foxxcon, maybe if y'all'd stood strong on eliminating sweatshops, diseases wouldn't spread so easily
  • Call the damn thing nCov-19 again, not this sanitized antiracist covid. Or call it something more offensive I guess, like bat flu
  • Impeach or otherwise fuck every politician who went little Hitler. Double impeach if said little Hitler then went on get a haircut, violate their own ordinances, or post on social media about how they managed to not break their own rules because they live in a luxuriously sized house. I don't care if impeachment isn't proper, they were literally too busy impeaching Trump to pay attention to this issue back before it hit US shores. This includes non elected political figures like Fauci and Levine.
  • (excluded for brevity : all variants of using the wuflu as an excuse for all the damage done by the Floyd riots)
We don't need to fuck them in the ass so bad they turn into Nazi Germany out of desperation, just enough that they don't have the power to make the same mistake again. So, WHO needs accountability with consequences, the left has to go back to boycotting products made in sweatshops under inhumane working conditions...

What's that? Crickets? They want forgiveness, but that aren't willing to do anything to repair the state of the world?

Well if we don't actually need to fix anything to gain forgiveness, can they shut up about reparations and stop renaming everything already? Maybe even revert some names?

No? Well fuck that.
 
I'd spit (and worse) on these holier-than-thou faggots, not forgive and forget. Disgusting filth gloating over people's deaths, and acting like the garbage vax makes them better than those who died.
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Sometimes it really does feel like these people just want to push people over the edge. I’m starting to think all of that Capitol shit that went down was just a vent for blind rage. A year (or 4 years depending on how you look at it) of being shouted down and people just kinda lose it.
 
Fuck this bitch. A bunch of us knew for sure masks were useless. If you lived or visited Asia, you saw many wearing masks in the winter anyway, and knew they'd be useless against the Chinese Flu.

The utterly fucked-up response to the Chinese Flu has resulted in the loss of trust and faith on the part of many, many people of government, law enforcement, the mainstream media, and "science" on ANY level. We have seen how little it takes for "public servants" to go full totalitarian, and the courts still haven't caught up with all the atrocities committed under color of law/authority.

"They" cried "wolf" FAR too often re the Chinese Flu. People saw through the bullshit and started working around all the oppressive measures.

One day, there will be a an actual national calamity, of whatever type. "They" will sound the alarm and ask for cooperation. Suggest many, if not most people will either blow "them" off or work around anything "they" say/do. When trust and faith are lost, those in power can no longer truly govern. We no longer have any leaders, haven't had any worthy of the name for some time now. Can't think of a single person calling themselves a "leader" that I would even pay attention to, much less follow. We just have bosses, whom we do our best to ridicule, ignore, and work around. 🖕 🖕


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How did you not realize that you didn't know anything before, but you realize that now?

...actually, that doesn't matter.

The issue wasn't that you were acting out of ignorance-- it's that you were an asshole. And I don't know why you were/are an asshole, but you latched onto saying and doing The Right Things so you could be an asshole without even risking the pangs of remorse. You parroted the ever-shifting opinions of labcoats (and/or politicians) as if they were your own knowledge and as if you even began to understand the bases for what they were saying at a given time. You expected others to make multiple, massive, cascading sacrifices-- all with consequences you had no intention of taking responsibility for.

Even if you didn't realize you'd be maimed by the pigs, why did you enter the pigpen in the first place? Now, other assholes of similar variety, vindicated by the global realization (and your own admission) that you were at least partly wrong, have been given reason to put you in their crosshairs.

But they're not bothering with it because you were wrong-- they're bothering to do it because they have a score to settle. They have a score to settle because you gave them a casus belli. And you gave them a casus belli by being an asshole.
 
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I'm so tired of this emerging subversive culture of motherfuckers not wanting to be held accountable for their actions. I want all of these assholes to pay for the vile shit they've done. We had FOUR months of warning for the novel coronavirus. Chinese news were covered in Wuhan lockdowns in November 2019.

It was simple from the start: just cover your mouth and wash your hands frequently. Just like the flu, just like a cold. But no, people had to be absolute bitches and be unable to do that tiny thing. They complained about not being able to see the faces of others, they complained about not being able to breathe in masks, and these nigger cattle continue to not even wear masks correctly by wearing masks on their chin or under their nose.

Metokur began his covid streams early on which, even if excessive, STILL helped a bunch of his fans out because for the next 6 months there would be no hand soap, no masks, no ammo, no fucking toilet paper. Not even bidets.

March 2020, suddenly covid is a national emergency. Oops coronavirus takes 19 days to dissipate, oops ackshually coronavirus takes 2 months to dissipate. Guys dont wear masks they dont help oh wait they do help heehee all stores sold out better buy up all the sewing machines and fabric to make your own shitty masks. Oh wait nvm masks dont work enjoy your vaccine. Wait woops vaccine doesnt stop covid. Be sure to quarantine for two weeks. "Data" changing. "Science" changing.

Fuck these people. Fuck these assholes wanting the government to control the bodies of it's people. I will never fucking forgive what Canada did to it's truckers. So many local businesses are gone because of the lockdowns. So many people were unable to visit their loved ones on their death beds because of covid fear. I will never forgive these people.

You can also add the cats, dogs, hamsters, and other animals that were killed, as "COVID preventing measures".
 
The problem is, the mask came off and I saw the reality of our society. I saw and experienced levels of persecution I'd only read about in books before. For a while, I was afraid I'd be fired from my job and living on the streets over this bullshit. The issue isn't that I'm angry(though I am), it is that I no longer can pretend I don't live in a corrupt, abusive, authoritarian oligarchy masquerading as a "free country". I can no longer simply trust doctors, nurses, or scientists. I know that at least half of the country will gladly imprison or kill me if an authority figure said it was a good thing to do. It isn't even a question of forgiveness at this point. Regardless of my emotional state, I can't unsee the shit I saw or un-experience the shit I experienced. Angry or calm, I live in a fundamentally different world than I did prior to the rona. I would be a fool to forget all that.
 
Oh come on folx, The Science just did a little hahasilly, everyone following The Science was smart even if it was wrong so just cut them some slack, don't pay attention to all the conspiracy theorists that were right about everything, they were only so accidentally.
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Fuck this bitch. A bunch of us knew for sure masks were useless. If you lived or visited Asia, you saw many wearing masks in the winter anyway, and knew they'd be useless against the Chinese Flu.

The utterly fucked-up response to the Chinese Flu has resulted in the loss of trust and faith on the part of many, many people of government, law enforcement, the mainstream media, and "science" on ANY level. We have seen how little it takes for "public servants" to go full totalitarian, and the courts still haven't caught up with all the atrocities committed under color of law/authority.

"They" cried "wolf" FAR too often re the Chinese Flu. People saw through the bullshit and started working around all the oppressive measures.

One day, there will be a an actual national calamity, of whatever type. "They" will sound the alarm and ask for cooperation. Suggest many, if not most people will either blow "them" off or work around anything "they" say/do. When trust and faith are lost, those in power can no longer truly govern. We no longer have any leaders, haven't had any worthy of the name for some time now. Can't think of a single person calling themselves a "leader" that I would even pay attention to, much less follow. We just have bosses, whom we do our best to ridicule, ignore, and work around. 🖕 🖕

A lot of us give NO TRUCK to any "mEdIcAl pRoFfEsSiOnAlS" now because of this--no doctors, RN, LPN...not even a CNA.

Hell, only because (troon gang word) they GATEKEEP shit like antibiotics for infections and illnesses would I drag myself in to a doctor. But no way in FUCK do I have any respect for, or trust in any. THANXX, liberals.
 
The problem is, the mask came off and I saw the reality of our society. I saw and experienced levels of persecution I'd only read about in books before. For a while, I was afraid I'd be fired from my job and living on the streets over this bullshit. The issue isn't that I'm angry(though I am), it is that I no longer can pretend I don't live in a corrupt, abusive, authoritarian oligarchy masquerading as a "free country". I can no longer simply trust doctors, nurses, or scientists. I know that at least half of the country will gladly imprison or kill me if an authority figure said it was a good thing to do. It isn't even a question of forgiveness at this point. Regardless of my emotional state, I can't unsee the shit I saw or un-experience the shit I experienced. Angry or calm, I live in a fundamentally different world than I did prior to the rona. I would be a fool to forget all that.
Yeah I'm pretty easygoing- if someone is truly sorry, I can forgive them.

But this goes far beyond that. I keep thinking of this old Danish lady I knew, who lived through WWII and all it brought. "Oh vee forgive," she'd say, good Lutheran to the core, "but vee don't FORGET."
 
Hell no, they should be regarded in the same light as the retards who burned women for being "witches" in the old days, because if Fauci had told them that would ward covid away I genuinely feel like some of em would have tried it.
 
Hmmm...let me think.

I think it was around the mid to late 2021 when my patience ran out.

It was around then that an article in the prestigious medical journal, The Lancet, was published stating that the effectiveness at preventing infection was 47% at five month with the Pfizer vaccine against Covid-Delta.

From the study:
Effectiveness against infections declined from 88% (95% CI 86–89) during the first month after full vaccination to 47% (43–51) after 5 months. Among sequenced infections, vaccine effectiveness against infections of the delta variant was high during the first month after full vaccination (93% [95% CI 85–97]) but declined to 53% [39–65] after 4 months.

Shortly after the article on the Pfizer vaccine, a study by the Veterans Administration came out on the effectiveness of the vaccine at preventing infection among US service members. Particularly shocking was the Jansen single dose vaccine.

By August, protection against infection had declined to: 3% (95% CI, -7% to 12%) for Janssen; 64% (95% CI, 62%-66%) for Moderna; and 50% (95% CI, 47% to 52%) for Pfizer-BioNTech.

Such, by January 2022 when the talk about a COVID vaccine mandate materialized serious questions about the protectiveness of the COVID were brought to question. At best, the Jansen vaccine was worthless and the Pfizer vaccine offered slightly worse than a coin toss.

The only conclusion one could come to would be that the vaccine mandate would require those with the Jansen vaccine to get vaccinated again for any degree of protection and likely mandatory booster shots for those that took the Pfizer vaccine as most people would have a less effective vaccine by the effective date of the OSHA mandate of 4/2022.

But that did not happen. Even with the emergence of Omicron that was even less effected by the vaccines, the mandate stood in place.

Furthermore, the narrative on who one should get vaccinated changed over time in light with the evolving virus but the narrative always seemed to be six month older than the actual science.

Just look at the politician Dr. Fauci commenting on the vaccine and preventing infection:
When you are vaccinated, you are protected from getting infected and you’re protected from getting anybody else infected.
-Dr. Anthony Fauci on 6/29/2021

Now, the effectiveness tests I mentioned earlier were was on Delta Covid and that strain was discovered late 2020 with the vaccines initially homecoming publicly available on January 2021.

The period between the vaccines becoming widely available and when Fauci making that comment is around five months, the same period of aforementioned studies. Now, if Fauci was just some county doc or health director, I could excuse that. But he is the director of the NIH. He had to have data coming in and he had to know the effectiveness was shit yet he still choose to speak.

Let us not forget those that compared not getting vaccinated to drunk drivers. How about the mask NAZI's? You know the ones that mocked you and said that wearing a mask was no big deal? That your claims of comfort were moot?

Well, most of those persons are now mask less but COVID and other diseases can still threaten the elderly or sickly. If wearing a mask is insignificant and the cost can be valued in human lives, I don't see how one can live mask free.


TL;DR

In the words of the Simpsons:
Those White Flags Are No Match for Our Muskets!
 
The cut American society suffered from COVID-19 will not just heal and be forgotten, it will instead be a cultural scar of our time.
 
The problem is, the mask came off and I saw the reality of our society. I saw and experienced levels of persecution I'd only read about in books before. For a while, I was afraid I'd be fired from my job and living on the streets over this bullshit. The issue isn't that I'm angry(though I am), it is that I no longer can pretend I don't live in a corrupt, abusive, authoritarian oligarchy masquerading as a "free country". I can no longer simply trust doctors, nurses, or scientists. I know that at least half of the country will gladly imprison or kill me if an authority figure said it was a good thing to do. It isn't even a question of forgiveness at this point. Regardless of my emotional state, I can't unsee the shit I saw or un-experience the shit I experienced. Angry or calm, I live in a fundamentally different world than I did prior to the rona. I would be a fool to forget all that.
As I've said before, America is Gay China. Why should I want it to prosper?
 
"Look, we all remember how it was. We were in the middle of a depression, we had lost the war, and Hitler came along and said the Jews did it.

Many of us thought it was a great idea. So yes, I joined the Party, like so many of my neighbors. I voted for Hitler. And yes, I did sell produce from my farm to the camp outside of town.

Of course, my son was in the SS, he needed a job. In hindsight, we now see starting a war to take over Europe was bad. But most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.

The American soldiers took us from town and showed us the camp. And yes, there were a lot of dead Jews. It wasn’t pleasant, but feelings were high. And I certainly don’t need to dissect and rehash that time for the rest of my days.

Moving on is crucial now, because the war created many problems that we still need to solve.

And fine, it looks like we were wrong. There should just like, be a general amnesty. Forgive and forget, right? Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward."
 
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