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Allegory said:
They won't let things like facts get in the way of a good meme


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Not like peaceful extremist communist guerrillas :tomgirl:

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When did idolizing the Soviet Union become a quasi-mainstream thing? Back in the ancient days of ~2014 the furthest left I could think of was Northern Europe, I had no idea more than like two people genuinely thought soviet russia was in any way a halcyon until like last year. Just what the fuck is with that? Was it already like that in 2014?
 
FuckedUp said:
When did idolizing the Soviet Union become a quasi-mainstream thing? Back in the ancient days of ~2014 the furthest left I could think of was Northern Europe, I had no idea more than like two people genuinely thought soviet russia was in any way a halcyon until like last year. Just what the fuck is with that? Was it already like that in 2014?
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It was always quasi-mainstream in certain circles like academia.
Part of it is good old Marxist/Cultural Marxist oppression dynamics - though the French Revolution was the same in this regard, and they seem to fully ignore that one despite its many parallels. There's also the whole "right side of history" thing which gives them a free pass, similarly how almost no one seems to care about the OG concentration camps from the Second Boer War. And the infatuation with "cultural revolutionaries" and the commie revolutionary LARPing etc etc etc.

TL;DR it isn't new.
 
FuckedUp said:
When did idolizing the Soviet Union become a quasi-mainstream thing? Back in the ancient days of ~2014 the furthest left I could think of was Northern Europe, I had no idea more than like two people genuinely thought soviet russia was in any way a halcyon. Just what the fuck is with that?
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You're right. I remember many people from atheists to the left praised both Western and Northern Europe as morally superior and better educated because their citizens were reportedly more happy, more likely to support labor, environmental science and secular politics, etc. Basically the opposite of Republican and Christian politics/beliefs in the U.S. which the media loved to rant against in the mainstream media like CNN, MSNBC and the Daily Show.

This might surprise many users here but most leftists and supporters of labor politics were more likely to support reform and grassroots movements than pretending they were revolutionaries. Whenever I went to rallies or had to get people to vote in the upcoming election, we were told to encourage voters (Union members for example) for a candidate that supposedly promised to be their man in office, no matter how small and irrelevant that office was.

In short. voters, no matter if they were natives or illegals who couldn't speak a lick of English to save their lives, they supported reformist politics over conservatives. And just because many African American and Latino/Hispanics are Christian doesn't mean they would break down the door to elect a Republican to office. Race has played a huge factor in alienating people of color feeling skeptical of conservatives, hell white people in general. Which the media is more than happy to report white people are really that racists their hardcore anti-white counterparts spew on social media or in public like black supremacists groups.

Times have changed to find liberalism is in shambles, beloved politicians and businesses have been reveled to be corrupted, and the West is in decline. The United States and allies have found themselves pitted against enemies across the globe and dissenters at home from different backgrounds. Different people and groups have given their opinions as to why the West is currently facing its biggest challenges to date but I believe it has to do with citizens who never really gave a fuck who was in charged and pretended to look the other way and continued to support crooked political parties.

Think about it: Biden first ran for President in 1988 only to lose the nomination when the young voters they're encouraging to register to vote weren't even alive, let alone a thought in their future parents minds. Isn't that crazy a major party would support an elderly candidate, no matter their experience, be their nominee. It boggles my mind how obvious corruption is open in American government/politics that people overlook.
 
Boris Blank's glass eye said:
It was always quasi-mainstream in certain circles like academia.
Part of it is good old Marxist/Cultural Marxist oppression dynamics - though the French Revolution was the same in this regard, and they seem to fully ignore that one despite its many parallels. There's also the whole "right side of history" thing which gives them a free pass, similarly how almost no one seems to care about the OG concentration camps from the Second Boer War. And the infatuation with "cultural revolutionaries" and the commie revolutionary LARPing etc etc etc.

TL;DR it isn't new.
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I'm pretty tired from a night of vidya, but I'm pretty sure mainstream progressive talk was about general government intervention against corporations, safety nets, etc., and Stalin apologists or others advocating for genuine communism were about as rare as actual neo-Nazis. Now you pretty much have to disavow the concept of legal tender and private ownership if you want to fit into any left-wing community. I mean it makes sense, overton window managed to shift like that for everything else.
 
FuckedUp said:
I'm pretty tired from a night of vidya, but I'm pretty sure mainstream progressive talk was about general government intervention against corporations, safety nets, etc., and Stalin apologists or others advocating for genuine communism were about as rare as actual neo-Nazis. Now you pretty much have to disavow the concept of legal tender and private ownership if you want to fit into any left-wing community. I mean it makes sense, overton window managed to shift like that for everything else.
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If we're talking about mainstream politics in the Nordic model of welfare capitalism, sure. Those however follow a social democratic model instead of socialism, if you care about these distinctions. Lighter shade of pink, if you will.

We shouldn't ignore the usual suspects, though: Foucault, Derrida, Sartre, and the infamous Frankfurt School. And most of the current "revolutionaries" were educated in institutions practically worshipping these people and their ideals.
 
LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV] said:
But the ussr wasn't real socialism but it totally was but it wasn't.

Schrodinger's socialism, the urss is and isn't an example of real socialism depending if it is propaganda or if it's damage control for the millions of death and starving.
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Stalinism is real communism when it comes to overthrowing the Tsar beating the Nazis (which the Soviets did single-handedly and definitely weren't getting tons of supplies from the US and Great Britain that helped them turn the tide), but not real communism when it comes to the gulags, purges, and engineered famines. At least tankies are honest enough for good old fashioned war crime and genocide denial instead of this Schrodinger's communist bullshit.

FuckedUp said:
I'm pretty tired from a night of vidya, but I'm pretty sure mainstream progressive talk was about general government intervention against corporations, safety nets, etc., and Stalin apologists or others advocating for genuine communism were about as rare as actual neo-Nazis. Now you pretty much have to disavow the concept of legal tender and private ownership if you want to fit into any left-wing community. I mean it makes sense, overton window managed to shift like that for everything else.
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Boris Blank's glass eye said:
If we're talking about mainstream politics in the Nordic model of welfare capitalism, sure. Those however follow a social democratic model instead of socialism, if you care about these distinctions. Lighter shade of pink, if you will.

We shouldn't ignore the usual suspects, though: Foucault, Derrida, Sartre, and the infamous Frankfurt School. And most of the current "revolutionaries" were educated in institutions practically worshipping these people and their ideals.
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The influence of higher education in this really can't be emphasized enough. Yeah, communism and Stalin weren't mainstream for normal people 15 years ago, but it was mainstream for college professors, and has been to one degree or another since the 60's. Universities were some of the earliest and most successfully subverted institutions of the Cold War. The cumulative effect of communist professors' teachings, which they've gotten bolder and bolder about weaving into their curriculum as time has gone on, over a few generations, combined with economic crises and political instability that have caused people to lose faith in the current system, have come together and reached critical mass.
 
FuckedUp said:
When did idolizing the Soviet Union become a quasi-mainstream thing? Back in the ancient days of ~2014 the furthest left I could think of was Northern Europe, I had no idea more than like two people genuinely thought soviet russia was in any way a halcyon until like last year. Just what the fuck is with that? Was it already like that in 2014?
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I had one teacher who went to school in the New York around the 70s or 80s. She said that Mao's red book was super popular on campus and almost everyone in humanities was a communist who took lenin and mao as dogma even when all of them were rich kids. Its been a thing for a long time. Same thing happened in my country, elites were subverted and eventually Chavez happens.
 
I know some people were genuine commies who thought the USSR wasn't a hellhole, but it seems to have become waaaaaaaay more widespread in the past couple years. It's the same deal as race riots, only a few tards claimed they were justified back in the ancient days of 2015, but saying they're bad at all became racist in the span of five years.
 
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