EU Le Gilets Jaune protests thread - Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46233560

One protester has died and dozens were injured as almost a quarter of a million people took to the streets of France, angry at rising fuel prices.

The female protester who died was struck after a driver surrounded by demonstrators panicked and accelerated.

The "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, blocked motorways and roundabouts.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron has not so far commented on the protests, some of which have seen demonstrators call for him to resign.

But he admitted earlier in the week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

What has happened so far?
Some 244,000 people took part in protests across France, the interior ministry said in its latest update.

It said 106 people were injured during the day, five seriously, with 52 people arrested.

Most of the protests have been taking place without incident although several of the injuries came when drivers tried to force their way through protesters.

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Image captionA driver forces a car through a group of protesters in Donges, western France
Chantal Mazet, 63, was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock.

In Paris protesters approaching the Élysée Palace, the president's official residence, were repelled with tear gas.

Why are drivers on the warpath?
The price of diesel, the most commonly used fuel in French cars, has risen by around 23% over the past 12 months to an average of €1.51 (£1.32; $1.71) per litre, its highest point since the early 2000s, AFP news agency reports.

World oil prices did rise before falling back again but the Macron government raised its hydrocarbon tax this year by 7.6 cents per litre on diesel and 3.9 cents on petrol, as part of a campaign for cleaner cars and fuel.

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Image captionTear gas was used to disperse protesters in Paris
The decision to impose a further increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol on 1 January 2019 was seen as the final straw.

Speaking on Wednesday, the president blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise. He also said more tax on fossil fuels was needed to fund renewable energy investments.

How big is the movement?
It has broad support. Nearly three-quarters of respondents to a poll by the Elabe institute backed the Yellow Vests and 70% wanted the government to reverse the fuel tax hikes.

More than half of French people who voted for Mr Macron support the protests, Elabe's Vincent Thibault told AFP.

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Image captionPolice attend as protesters block a motorway in Antibes
"The expectations and discontent over spending power are fairly broad, it's not just something that concerns rural France or the lower classes," he said.

The BBC's Lucy Williamson in Paris says the movement has grown via social media into a broad and public criticism of Mr Macron's economic policies.

Are opposition politicians involved?
They have certainly tried to tap into it. Far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who was defeated by Mr Macron in the second round of the presidential election, has been encouraging it on Twitter.

She said: "The government shouldn't be afraid of French people who come to express their revolt and do it in a peaceful fashion."

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Laurent Wauquiez, leader of the centre-right Republicans, called on the Macron government to scrap the next planned increase in carbon tax on fossil fuels in January to offset rising vehicle fuel prices.

Mr Castaner has described Saturday's action as a "political protest with the Republicans behind it".

Olivier Faure, leader of the left-wing Socialist Party said the movement - which has no single leader and is not linked to any trade union - had been "born outside political parties".

"People want politicians to listen to them and respond. Their demand is to have purchasing power and financial justice," he said.

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Is there any room for compromise?
On Wednesday, the government announced action to help poor families pay their energy and transport bills.

Prime Minister Edouard Philippe announced that 5.6 million households would receive energy subsidies. Currently 3.6 million receive them.

A state scrappage bonus on polluting vehicles would also be doubled for France's poorest families, he said, and fuel tax credits would be brought in for people who depend on their cars for work.

Protesters have mocked the president relentlessly as "Micron" or "Macaron" (Macaroon) or simply Manu, the short form of Emmanuel, which he famously scolded a student for using.

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To be honest, I don't blame the driver at all.
 
Thats installed Capacity, most Natural gas plants dont run much, they are a back up.
The charts for energie generated look very different.
Why cherry pick something to misrepresent facts when the original document is just a click away?

https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ise/en/documents/News/Stromerzeugung_2018_2_en.pdf
I haven't misrepresented anything. The capacity chart is more favorable to your argument than the actual power generated. Last year natural gas accounted for 15% of the total power generated. This is comparable output to onshore wind despite having 60% of the capacity. Nuclear plants generated 12% of the power last year while representing only 4% of total capacity.
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https://www.energy-charts.de/power_inst.htm linked the
I've changed my mind. You probably jack it to bundswehr videos.
 
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I haven't misrepresented anything. The capacity chart is more favorable to your argument than the actual power generated. Last year natural gas accounted for 15% of the total power generated. This is comparable output to onshore wind despite having 60% of the capacity. Nuclear plants generated 12% of the power last year while representing only 4% of total capacity.
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I've changed my mind. You probably jack it to bundswehr videos.
hey, atleast im not comparing the net installed power production capacity(Public markt) with the gross power production(includes alot of inhouse energie production and energie produced and consumed in the same powerplant).
 
hey, atleast im not comparing the net installed power production capacity(Public markt) with the gross power production(includes alot of inhouse energie production and energie produced and consumed in the same powerplant).
It's nice you're really proud Germany is becoming a russian satellite and doing the good work of advancing russian propaganda as you try to force the rest of the EU to buy russian energy.

Some of us don't like the idea of the EU dictating energy policy to force all of europe to be dependent on russian natural gas. The fact that you're celebrating yourself as "green" in the process just makes it that much more frustrating.
 
Germany is faggy gay ass country whose balls have been cut off by Israel half a century ago. But worry not, as soon as Chancellor Achmed gets in, all the power will be coming from coal and goat-threadmills!

Look at this chadness, more than half is nuclear! 3,5% renewables only! And we want to DOUBLE our nuclear power generation! The 4 existing smaller reactors will get 2 new buddies which have twice the generator power!
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It's nice you're really proud Germany is becoming a russian satellite and doing the good work of advancing russian propaganda as you try to force the rest of the EU to buy russian energy.

Some of us don't like the idea of the EU dictating energy policy to force all of europe to be dependent on russian natural gas. The fact that you're celebrating yourself as "green" in the process just makes it that much more frustrating.

Hate to break it to people, but all of Europe uses Russian gas or Russian uranium. But at least its not fart sniffing green stuff. The sad truce is that it is way cheaper than importing it from somewhere else. Of course if Trump wants to supply us with uranium and gas for free.... :christine:

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This is just Gas, mighty Poland is like 90% coal, and Hungary imports the uranium from Russia too.
 

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It's nice you're really proud Germany is becoming a russian satellite and doing the good work of advancing russian propaganda as you try to force the rest of the EU to buy russian energy.

Some of us don't like the idea of the EU dictating energy policy to force all of europe to be dependent on russian natural gas. The fact that you're celebrating yourself as "green" in the process just makes it that much more frustrating.
Russian satelite? because we buy the cheapest natural gas we can from a very reliable country? Russia was willing to give back german lands in the East, the US helped Poland to steal eastern germany. Russia kills terrorists in syria, the US helped Islamists to destabilize Syria. The US destroyed libya openening up the road for millions of dindus to flood our borders. I rather have Russia as partner than the US.
 
Russian satelite? because we buy the cheapest natural gas we can from a very reliable country? Russia was willing to give back german lands in the East, the US helped Poland to steal eastern germany. Russia kills terrorists in syria, the US helped Islamists to destabilize Syria. The US destroyed libya openening up the road for millions of dindus to flood our borders. I rather have Russia as partner than the US.
Yeah, stop being wimps Germany, don't you want revenge for WW2? Go take the damn natural gas yourselves!

Just remember you said that about wanting to be on Russia's side instead of the US's when WW3 inevitably happens. Well actually, germany's been on the wrong side of 2 so far, why change now?
 
@Stoneheart

are you fucking exceptional? did you grow up in some east berlin commie school or something?
for the record: the russians and their red army literally performed ethnic cleansing on some ~12 million german civilians in the territories they controlled, and is responsible for the annexiation of massive amounts of german territory to the new polish state (which was a direct client state of the USSR at the time) and the USSR itself.

Russia was willing to give back East Prussia, the US pressured germany to not make such a deal and to say yes to the Oder-Neisse line. that was n the 90s.
And about the ethnic cleansing, they were pretty pissed in ww2 and did the same to us as we did to them, cant blame them for that, it was war, etc. etc.
The Polish did almost all of the after war cleansing.
 
Speaking of Germany, they had a (by comparison) little demonstration in Stuttgart on Saturday:
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https://twitter.com/SuperSySez/status/1094999038452219904 (http://archive.vn/8VJQV)
No tear gas or cops beating the shit out of them.

Also to back up what I said last page about Italy being increasingly anti-EU, they returned a boat of 100 migrants from Libya recently:
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http://archive.vn/cNjhu

I don't speak Italian but I suspect a lot of those replies he got were from pro-EU "open borders for everyone but my neighborhood" types.
 
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Speaking of Germany, they had a (by comparison) little demonstration in Stuttgart on Saturday:
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https://twitter.com/SuperSySez/status/1094999038452219904 (http://archive.vn/8VJQV)
No tear gas or cops beating the shit out of them.

Also to back up what I said last page about Italy being increasingly anti-EU, they returned a boat of 100 migrants from Libya recently:
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http://archive.vn/cNjhu

I don't speak Italian but I suspect a lot of those replies he got were from pro-EU "open borders for everyone but my neighborhood" types.
Don Salvini will wipe Italia clean of this human garbage.
 
hey, atleast im not comparing the net installed power production capacity(Public markt) with the gross power production(includes alot of inhouse energie production and energie produced and consumed in the same powerplant).
I will admit to being wrong on that. I was mostly looking the spreadsheet that graph was based on and didn't bother to translate 'Bruttostromerzeugung in Deutschland ab 1990 nach Energieträgern.'

Gas fired plants produced 83 TW/h gross last year and of that only 40 TW/h net. There is some creative accounting going on here. 47% of power generated by gas fired plants is consumed before it enters the grid. In comparison, coal fired power plants only used 11% of the power generated. I wanted to look into this more before replying again, but I caught the flu and have lost motivation. I did find this little tidbit:
Gas-fired power plants produced 40 TWh net for the public electricity supply. They were thus 9.1 TWh or 18.5% below the level of the previous year. In addition to the power plants for public electricity supply, there are also gas-fired power plants in the mining and manufacturing industries for the company's own electricity supply. These also produced an additional 20 to 25 TWh for industrial own consumption, which is not included in this publication.
That means there are companies in Germany that have decided it is cost effective to build their own fucking power plants. They would rather buy natural gas from the ruskies than buy power from their own grid.

Now for something relevant.
Death Grips and disobedience cut
 
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I will admit to being wrong on that. I was mostly looking the spreadsheet that graph was based on and didn't bother to translate 'Bruttostromerzeugung in Deutschland ab 1990 nach Energieträgern.'

Gas fired plants produced 83 TW/h gross last year and of that only 40 TW/h net. There is some creative accounting going on here. 47% of power generated by gas fired plants is consumed before it enters the grid. In comparison, coal fired power plants only used 11% of the power generated. I wanted to look into this more before replying again, but I caught the flu and have lost motivation. I did find this little tidbit:

That means there are companies in Germany that have decided it is cost effective to build their own fucking power plants. They would rather buy natural gas from the ruskies than buy power from their own grid.

Now for something relevant.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JoR8izwksDQDeath Grips and disobedience cut
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Aesthetic AF.
 
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