La Palma is rumbling - What are the implications of a 40 foot Tsunami along the east coast?

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Prosopagnosia said:
First fatality from the eruption. Source

A 70-year-old man was cleaning ash when a roof fell on him. He had authorization from the emergency device. He carried out, with a group of volunteens, cleaning tasks in the exclusion area.

F for this brave guy.
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Reminds me of the japanese elderly group that decided to join cleaning efforts for heavily radiated areas left over from the Fukushima plant, because the time needed for the very serious illnesses from the radiation to develop was like 20 years and they where all in their 80's. Rest in peace abuelito even in your last years you went out of your way to be of service to your community
 
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Why not just pour water on the guy? Water has.a pretty high specific heat.

And it only takes a few degrees to kill someone. 98 F is normal. 108 F is a vegetable. I don't understand the story.
 
PK Shitstorm said:
Reminds me of the japanese elderly group that decided to join cleaning efforts for heavily radiated areas left over from the bombs, because the time needed for the very serious illnesses from the radiation to develop was like 20 years and they where all in their 80's. Rest in peace abuelito even in your last years you went out of your way to be of service to your community
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Source on that? AFAIK in the late 1940s so little was known about the dangers of radiation that "put a bunch of goats on a battleship and nuke it" was considered a valid scientific experiment.
 
Stoneheart said:
That sound like some doctor told you a fake story about how he died... they couldnt cool it down because that would have ripped him slowly appart from the material contracting.
cooling it down would not be a problem. the heat stored is not enough to stand against modern cooling systems.-
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Stoneheart said:
That sound like some doctor told you a fake story about how he died... they couldnt cool it down because that would have ripped him slowly appart from the material contracting.
cooling it down would not be a problem. the heat stored is not enough to stand against modern cooling systems.-
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Nope! Been there saw it, scooped and ran with it, and smelled the oh so memorable smells.

I'm curious to know what you think these modern cooling methods would be? And how any of them would avoid the minor side effect of killing the person adhered to the Morton material? Now granted this was '88 or '89. But it was a brand new state of the art newly commisioned burn center/level 1 trauma facility. And it was part of one of the larger University's. With direct access to just about any half baked mad scientist facility you could imagine.

Really their only cooling methods at the time were bottle after bottle of sterile water poured on it nonstop for days. And chiseling off the outer layers as best they could as they cooled and hardened, to expose the still soft and hot material underneath. Cool that and continue chiseling. Slow and horrifying. There is no magic trick to get around the laws of thermodynamics. The only way to really cool it faster is to increase the exposed surface area of stuff you are trying to cool. Not really possible when it's aherred to and through the victims third degree or worse burns.

I can’t imagine that treating something like lava contact would be much different today.
 
RodgerDodger said:
I'm curious to know what you think these modern cooling methods would be? And how any of them would avoid the minor side effect of killing the person adhered to the Morton material? Now granted this was '88 or '89. But it was a brand new state of the art newly commisioned burn center/level 1 trauma facility. And it was part of one of the larger University's. With direct access to just about any half baked mad scientist facility you could imagine.
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Well i would use a Copper rod and some ice water. but you can use pretty much everything cooling solution you can imagine to cool the other end.

RodgerDodger said:
Really their only cooling methods at the time were bottle after bottle of sterile water poured on it nonstop for days. And chiseling off the outer layers as best they could as they cooled and hardened, to expose the still soft and hot material underneath. Cool that and continue chiseling. Slow and horrifying. There is no magic trick to get around the laws of thermodynamics. The only way to really cool it faster is to increase the exposed surface area of stuff you are trying to cool. Not really possible when it's aherred to and through the victims third degree or worse burns.
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there are other ways to cool something faster, you need to get something thats better at heat transfer in good contact and chill the other end. a heat gradient means heat flow.

take a cooper brush and a copper rod, weld the brushes from the brush to the rod, insert the brushes gently into the soft molten shit and cool the other end of the rod with ice water.
thats ghetto ass, but will cool down the molten shit in minutes.

Like i said, i guess the speed of cooling was the major issue since it contracts and will tear the left over flesh from the bones.
 
Sped Xing said:
But why not like

A garden hose?
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For Lava or for the burned guy with the asphalt? The big problem with the burn victim is the water you use to cool him at that point needs to be sterile. And sterile water tends to be packaged in 1 liter bottles. Outside of major industrial facilities you don't tend to find it in large tanks. Modern burn centers may have worked out a system for sterilized water on demand. Possibly using UV or radiation sterilyzers. But they aren't real common.
 
RodgerDodger said:
For Lava or for the burned guy with the asphalt? The big problem with the burn victim is the water you use to cool him at that point needs to be sterile. And sterile water tends to be packaged in 1 liter bottles. Outside of major industrial facilities you don't tend to find it in large tanks. Modern burn centers may have worked out a system for sterilized water on demand. Possibly using UV or radiation sterilyzers. But they aren't real common.
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I understand why sterile water would be preferable, but if he's certainly going to die from the heat, I think risking septicemia or whatever makes sense.

I still don't get why you can't get most of it off with a shovel or a fucking garden trowel, either. Not all of it, sure, but unless there's three plus inches depth of it. . . I don't follow this story at all.

EDIT: I mean, I can easily understand how horrific burns from being covered in hot asphalt could make you die an agonizing, slow death.

What I don't get is how there can be so much ashphalt that its heat is enough to "slowly cook" you, or why they would insist on bottles of sterile water. If it's that important that it be cleaner than tap water, why not buckets with weak tea betadine solution? It's not like asphalt isn't conductive.

So is human flesh, for that matter. A really hot thing touching someone on their chest should kill them rather quickly, no? Blood has to go through the chest, I think.

I must not be understanding.
 
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Day 57 and it's been a while since I've posted some links. As always there are charts and multiple views and various wackadoos depending on the chat:
(This stream started on the 6th and hasn't gone as long before, but they have embeds blocked to play. It's just the main feed everyone looks at, but with stats.)
 
Geology Hub. More about the Bees

Also not LaPalma, But a Volcano with Neon Blue Lava. Too fucking cool. Although you might not want to take a dip in the lake. The waters PH is 0.34. Which I'm not sure that it actually qualifies as "water" at that score
 
Honestly I would think that asphalt would stand little chance against getting some liquid CO2 poured onto it.

Guy is dead anyway so may as well try risky stuff. Pouring 1 liter water bottles just sounds... an excuse. "Look we did something."
 
21 earthquakes registered this Sunday morning. The highest was a 4.7, at 05:24 local time at Villa de Mazo, 37 km deep. (Source)

A video showing the rescue of the bees that have remained buried for 50 days 600 meters from the volcano. That bees are tough guys:


This is the area where they were rescued:


The lava flow that has reached the ocean on Los Guirres beach threatens to destroy the only bar on the beach. A few days ago the owner commented in an interview that she still owes 40,000€ from improvements made to the bar:


And a couple of pictures:
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Soooo.... pardon the PL, but I used to work in a bitumen production plant lab and slung the hot black sticky stuff around for a living.

Bitumen cools slowly, but a layer fifteen cm thick isn't going to stay hot long enough to roast someone's insides, especially if you're cooling it and chipping away at it layer by layer. A four litre tin full of bitumen on a very hot day (hot by subtropical Australia standards....so, yeah, really hot) may take an entire six or eight hours to solidify, but it doesn't remain hot indefinitely, not even in the centre. If an asphalt road took weeks or months to completely cool and solidify, we wouldn't be building roads out of it because we'd to completely divert traffic for weeks until it was set, otherwise the surface would be so soft that it'd deform under the weight of the cars running over it, rendering the whole exercise pointless.

I could absolutely see the guy slowly suffocating under the sheer weight of a breastplate made of asphalt. I can see him dying from the shock of horrendous burns and the sheer agony of asphalt burning through his clothes, skin and adipose tissue to adhere directly to his muscles. But asphalt staying burning hot for an entire week? I call bullshit.

I also call bullshit on having to rely on teeny tiny bottles of sterile water. Another lab I used to work in used to make that shit in house, and it's not a large set up either. In an emergency they could have sourced their own plant and just wheeled the thing to his bedside, and just hosed him down with water as fast as it was being made.
 
Sped Xing said:
I understand why sterile water would be preferable, but if he's certainly going to die from the heat, I think risking septicemia or whatever makes sense.

I still don't get why you can't get most of it off with a shovel or a fucking garden trowel, either. Not all of it, sure, but unless there's three plus inches depth of it. . . I don't follow this story at all.

EDIT: I mean, I can easily understand how horrific burns from being covered in hot asphalt could make you die an agonizing, slow death.

What I don't get is how there can be so much ashphalt that its heat is enough to "slowly cook" you, or why they would insist on bottles of sterile water. If it's that important that it be cleaner than tap water, why not buckets with weak tea betadine solution? It's not like asphalt isn't conductive.

So is human flesh, for that matter. A really hot thing touching someone on their chest should kill them rather quickly, no? Blood has to go through the chest, I think.

I must not be understanding.
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I have no doubt at all that he was on this run, but the 'cooking for days' part sounds more like firehouse gossip and the brain filling in gaps than anything else. If you took a load of molten asphalt to the chest, especially back in '87, I suspect you're going to die from infection and shock within a couple of days anyway. I suspect this was a firefighter or EMT/Paramedic who talked to a nurse or doctor a few days later, who probably commented the guy was 'burning up' from infection, and the telephone game at the firehouse turned this into the guy getting slow roasted.

Getting burned sucks, but when you have shit that melts into that burn, that makes it significantly worse; that's why Underarmor and the like was banned on fire departments.
 
Prosopagnosia said:
21 earthquakes registered this Sunday morning. The highest was a 4.7, at 05:24 local time at Villa de Mazo, 37 km deep. (Source)

A video showing the rescue of the bees that have remained buried for 50 days 600 meters from the volcano. That bees are tough guys:
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This is the area where they were rescued:
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The lava flow that has reached the ocean on Los Guirres beach threatens to destroy the only bar on the beach. A few days ago the owner commented in an interview that she still owes 40,000€ from improvements made to the bar:
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And a couple of pictures:
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did they save the bees or the equipment? how in the name of fuck do bees survive that without overheating or suffocating ?
 
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