Disaster Kyoto Animation studio set on fire - 35 Dead, Many Injured

Cedric_Eff · May 8, 2020

RomanesEuntDomus said:
Unfortunately, this does not protect innocent people, it just means that Japanese cops will laser-focus their attention to built as strong a case against someone as they can, once they declare someone the prime suspect. Political pressure to find the culprit soon for a highly volatile case will make this worse a lot.

Stuff like Junko Furuta, I legitimately wonder if money exchanged hands during that fiasco. One of the culprits was said to have some minor ties to the Yakuza (iirc), so that might explain the cops reluctance to do anything, too. Most likely, they assumed it would turn out to be the regular kind of crime. You know... gangraping the girl over and over until they get bored and then throw her out, where Junko joins the massive number of unreported rape victims. And then they end up with... well. Don't make me think about it too much.

Oh definetly. Every society has a truckload full of shit that they don't want to talk about. It's just that Japan seems to get a free pass on many of these things solely cause they create moeblob isekai crap and that makes me genuinely happy. Nothing wrong with enjoying Japanese pop culture, I do so, too. Nothing wrong with not spending too much time thinking about the depressing depths that some people can sink to... but I absolutely loathe those that go "Japan is a perfect country without bad things! They made POKEMANS N STUFF". The vapid consumerism that makes people willfully ignore soulcrushingly huge issues on a national scale just disgusts me.
on a sidenote, is that avatar from the same artist as Aika?

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To chime in on that thing: My personal issue isn't so much with the Japanese, they usually know that their country has some issues, they just prefer not to talk too much about them in public, especially with foreigners. Saving face and all that jazz. It's more about people being consumerist asshats, that knowingly ignore some inacceptable shit, cause there's more Japanese pop culture to mindlessly consume.

In that sense, someone being an avid fan of Japanese pop culture, who has no idea about some of the shit that's going on in Japan... well, I don't care. But someone willfully staying ignorant or worse even, ignoring it when they are presented with the facts, that's annoying as fuck.

When it comes to the Japanese being unapologetic, that's a whole other can of worms.
Japan likes to sweep things under the rug. Aids? Well, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Aids doesn't exist in Japan. Similarly, the Wu Flu or rape clubs in universities. I shit you not, there are some universities that got into trouble cause they had inofficial rape clubs. And then you've got insanely xenophobic statements by politicians or outright insanity.
In 2011, the mayor of Tokyo (iirc) said that the ones that died in the Tsunami catastrophe had been punished by god for not being TRUE and HONEST in their Japanese ways and that the Japanese have to get back to their traditional values. That is some really fucked up shit.

When I say Japan is rotten to the core, I don't mean everyone, I just want to point out that there's issues that cut deep into the everyday life, that one simply can't and shouldn't ignore. And to treat Japan as a sacred shangri-la is beyond ridiculous. I love that nation, I love its people and I love a lot of shit that comes from there, but holy shit. I would never want to pretend that everything's fine in that nation.

That’s why I’m not shock when murders like this or any major mass murders occur here. It might shock people but it’s good. It divides people further and it’s fine. The more the Japanese are paranoid, the better. Then, the Filipinos, Americans and the Chinese can fuck with Japan for eternity.

Neomugicha was innocent.

Bender · May 8, 2020

Cedric_Eff said:
That’s why I’m not shock when murders like this or any major mass murders occur here. It might shock people but it’s good. It divides people further and it’s fine. The more the Japanese are paranoid, the better. Then, the Filipinos, Americans and the Chinese can fuck with Japan for eternity.

Neomugicha was innocent.

He stabbed three people, how is that in any way innocent?

Cedric_Eff · May 8, 2020

Bender said:
He stabbed three people, how is that in any way innocent?

He made people paranoid about riding the bus!

Bender · May 8, 2020

Cedric_Eff said:
He made people paranoid about riding the bus!

So then he killed someone, injured two people AND was a terrorist. Again, how can you say he was innocent?

Cedric_Eff · May 8, 2020

Bender said:
So then he killed someone, injured two people AND was a terrorist. Again, how can you say he was innocent?

Lmao he owned them Nips, very based.

Bender · May 8, 2020

Cedric_Eff said:
Lmao he owned them Nips, very based.

Are you Korean or Chinese?

Carnavoyeur · May 8, 2020

Liber Pater said:
Apologies for necroreplying, but I just noticed this post now that the thread has become active again. Does anyone know where the famous picture actually comes from? I have seen it attributed to Ouchi many times, but I have never seen it attributed to anyone/anywhere else. It's such a memorable image, and I am curious where it actually comes from.

Nobody's found the source yet. A while ago I found a blog that debunks a lot of the photos claiming to be of Ouchi, and the author said the earliest appearance they could find of the photo was on an Indonesian website but it also had no information about it. That blog is here if you're interested (NSFL)

The Tokaimura Nuclear Accident (and who might actually be in the "Hisashi Ouchi" photo)

There’s a lot of misinformation floating around online about the 1999 Tokaimura Nuclear Accident, which claimed the lives of these two me...

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Cedric_Eff · May 8, 2020

Bender said:
Are you Korean or Chinese?

Half Japanese-Filipino. I just jump on and agree with people. I just didn’t want to look out of place.

Bender · May 8, 2020

Jamila said:
Nobody's found the source yet. A while ago I found a blog that debunks a lot of the photos claiming to be of Ouchi, and the author said the earliest appearance they could find of the photo was on an Indonesian website but it also had no information about it. That blog is here if you're interested (NSFL)

The Tokaimura Nuclear Accident (and who might actually be in the "Hisashi Ouchi" photo)

There’s a lot of misinformation floating around online about the 1999 Tokaimura Nuclear Accident, which claimed the lives of these two me...

web.archive.org

No matter where it's from I think it's fair to say it's a fucked-up image, if it's not edited.

Also, the images loaded backwards for me, so I was kind of forced to see a lot. The guy with the cracked skin (fourth image down) looks like a baby with harlequin-type ichthyosis (I recommend not doing an image search for that, but you're all gonna ignore me and do it anyway).

PS1gamenwatch · May 9, 2020

Dom Cruise said:
Fun fact: according to folklore the islands that make up Japan are literally cum splotches jizzed into the ocean by a Kami.

Maybe that would explain why they get into such kinky sex stuff?

And there was that news article a few years back about the island that disappeared:

www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/2171201/japanese-island-goes-missing-hokkaido

Did they ever locate it?

CWCchange · May 9, 2020

^South China Mourning Post, sheesh...

Sinners Sandwich said:
Fuck off, japanophile fag.

Wow, such good counterinjecture! My best attack... nobody believe circumcised Korean gook!

I'mtoo drunk to give a shit...

Kari Kamiya · May 9, 2020

Man, almost hard to believe a year has nearly passed since this happened. KyoAni's had it pretty rough, first it was this, then the coronavirus happened slowing things down and making them push dates back. It's good to hear there's survivors returning to work, and hope they'll continue to make a speedy recovery, but there's still that unshakable feeling KyoAni might be feeling the pinch for years to come, or won't bounce back from this to last another decade.

As for making a memorial site, probably for the best they don't bother. In the main studio, they might just have a shrine or something dedicated to their fallen staff where they can go gather to pay their respects, or they might have an annual visit to the graves. Something a bit more personal to them would work best.

Dom Cruise said:
Fun fact: according to folklore the islands that make up Japan are literally cum splotches jizzed into the ocean by a Kami.

Maybe that would explain why they get into such kinky sex stuff?

Where's the hentai?

Scarlett Johansson · May 9, 2020

din_far said:
And due to the japanese mentality of always doing your job to the best of your ability, the courts assume the police/prosecutor have turned every stone and done everything correctly and properly, leading to a 99% conviction rate. Essentially, if you do something illegal in japan, don't get caught because you will go to jail.

This definitely explains the characterization of prosecutor characters like Sae Nijima and Miles Edgeworth. Thanks for mentioning this lol.

Japan's legal system is scary

RomanesEuntDomus · May 9, 2020

CWCchange said:
LOL, two whole pages of Japanese societal cliches, myths, and misconceptions stemming from isolated incidents, devoid of reason and critical analysis amplified by foreign left-wing media, and probably Koreans whose country literally does function in the aforementioned fashion.

Look, I'm not saying that there aren't issues, but you know... I'll give a First World country where there's less murders in a year than a week in Chicago, where ninety-five percent of the population is its own people, and isn't under the immediate threat of brown peril, more the benefit of the doubt over what some faggot JET programme who has never had a proper job in their native country, is triggered for being told to BTFO when believing they should be on top of the world.

"Isolated incidents"? Now where have I heard that before? ☪
There's quite an eerie regularity to the problems that I have described, but you managed to squeeze in some anti-left-wing comment out of nowhere, so I guess that makes this alright.

The plight of former Burakumin is well documented and while regular families might no longer check their kid's SO to check for Burakumin or Korean genes, major companies still do occasionally.
Issues such as bullying in schools is well documented as well, and extends well into issues of workplace mobbing.
Society's demand for Japanese people to fit in and just function under any circumstance means that people with clinical depression get neither help nor understanding, they are just expected to function at all (personal) costs and then you get people jumping in front of trains. I mean, I have to respect the Tokyo Metropolitan Police, they are so experienced at this shit, a suicide in the subs will only cause a 15 minute delay, cause they have so much routine in collecting body bits off the rails. Tori-Ma is a neat concept too. Someone bumps into you and runs off, then you realize dude stabbed you a couple times.
Japan's workplace attitude is so fucked up, they have a special name for suddenly dropping dead from work-related stress. And the less we say about some of the shit that politicians pull off the better.

But yeah, this is all just blangry JET program failures who don't get their dicks wet often enough speaking, right?

Bender said:
Feel free to join us and tell us what everyone's gotten wrong, friendo.

Japan is CWCchange's golden cow, if I'm not mistaken, he's an Australian with Japanese roots (might mix him up with someone else, though), which would explain a lot of his stance. Immigrants (or their descendants) usually have fairly idealized visions of what their ancestor's homes are like. Doesn't matter if it's Turks or Germans or whoever, they usually tend to glorify their own nation and downplay its problems while highlighting its qualities.
So, it would be only a small surprise to see that he's been steadfast in dismissing and ignoring the many issues plagueing Japan. Any well-known and well-documented example of fucked up shit going on in Japan oftentimes is either played down in its scale or dismissed outright - whatever remains is relativized and Japan gets a free-pass for being ethnically homogenous.
I mean, Japan isn't the worst and as I said, I like that nation a lot, too, but to pretend that Japan doesn't have massive problems with for instance discrimination and yap on about JET Program blokes is just beyond ridiculous. This shit is well-documented, to dismiss it is akin to the "religion of peace"-drivel that muslims peddle after a terrorist attack.

Dom Cruise · May 9, 2020

Japan's got problems, same as anywhere else in the world, it's not a perfect world by any stretch of the imagination.

But sometimes I wonder if comparatively Japan just might really be the best nation on Earth.

America used to be, but we let a guilt complex sink in that is killing us, Japan is at the end of the day a country that is proud of itself and its heritage and in the modern world that accounts for a lot.

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz · May 9, 2020

Dom Cruise said:
Japan's got problems, same as anywhere else in the world, it's not a perfect world by any stretch of the imagination.

But sometimes I wonder if comparatively Japan just might really be the best nation on Earth.

America used to be, but we let a guilt complex sink in that is killing us, Japan is at the end of the day a country that is proud of itself and its heritage and in the modern world that accounts for a lot.

I don't think a country where people literally work themselves to death on a regular basis can be called the best at anything. Its just another country. I wouldn't put it above any other well developed country. Its got glaring issues, just like Germany has glaring issues, the U.K. has glaring issues, and Australia has glaring issues. At least in the latter three, a non-native would actually be relatively welcomed and not face open discrimination for the most part. The U.S., for all it issues, still has freedoms and protections that nations like Japan, U.K., and other developed nations never got, putting it a marginal step above the rest.

Trilby · May 9, 2020

Dom Cruise said:
Japan's got problems, same as anywhere else in the world, it's not a perfect world by any stretch of the imagination.

But sometimes I wonder if comparatively Japan just might really be the best nation on Earth.

America used to be, but we let a guilt complex sink in that is killing us, Japan is at the end of the day a country that is proud of itself and its heritage and in the modern world that accounts for a lot.

That is an interesting thought in all this.

Dom Cruise · May 9, 2020

I'm going to make a very bold statement, Japan just might be the country that winds up saving the world by being a shining beacon of what could be as the rest of the world becomes increasingly mired in the anti-humanism of the SJW mentality.

Just look at Japanese anime, manga and game art and how it's such a celebration of the beauty of the human form, contrast that with western SJW art like Abby in Last of Us 2 and how it's a celebration of ugliness and misery.

America used to produce artists like Frank Frazetta, whatever happened to that? I don't know and I hope we can get back to that, but in the meantime Japan is doing a good job picking up the slack.

Of course Japan isn't perfect and sometimes we get stuff like an evil psychopath murdering artists responsible for creating some of that beauty like the ones at Kyoto Animation, that's just life sometimes, tragedy happens, but the right thing to do is to persevere and I truly believe the Japanese spirit if well equipped for perseverance in the face of hardship, just look at how they rebuilt themselves after WW2.

Bender · May 9, 2020

Dom Cruise said:
Just look at Japanese anime, manga and game art and how it's such a celebration of the beauty of the human form, contrast that with western SJW art like Abby in Last of Us 2 and how it's a celebration of ugliness and misery.

Eastern Europe similarly gives not a solitary fuck about political correctness when it comes to video games; I doubt Rockstar do either, since they let you punch a suffragette in RDR2 and feed her to crocodiles, but I'm reserving judgement until I see their next game.

Dom Cruise · May 9, 2020

Bender said:
Eastern Europe similarly gives not a solitary fuck about political correctness when it comes to video games; I doubt Rockstar do either, since they let you punch a suffragette in RDR2 and feed her to crocodiles, but I'm reserving judgement until I see their next game.

There are thankfully some holdouts in western culture but it's a real uphill battle.

Disaster Kyoto Animation studio set on fire - 35 Dead, Many Injured

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