Disaster Kyoto Animation studio set on fire - 35 Dead, Many Injured

Bender · May 8, 2020

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
I'm reminded of how A Silent Voice, the Japanese manga which dealt with the bullying of a deaf Japanese girl (just because she was deaf, an unfortunately common thing in Japan) and the redemption of her bully, actually had its publication delayed because a Japanese group sued to prevent it from being published. Why you ask? Because the manga revealed a dark side to Japanese society that foreigners rarely see or hear about, and the Japanese group wanted to prevent its publication to keep Japan from looking bad. No seriously. Funnily enough, A Silent Voice later got a film adaptation from Kyoto Animation.

I honestly didn't know about that, but now that I think about it it really does throw some shade at the Japanese educational system for allowing bullying to happen.

Dom Cruise · May 8, 2020

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
The difference is that Americans like to talk about what's wrong with their country ad-nauseum, no matter where they are politically (though the perceived problems may change). The Japanese pretend like their problems and issues don't exist and get defensive when people bring them up.

I'm reminded of how A Silent Voice, the Japanese manga which dealt with the bullying of a deaf Japanese girl (just because she was deaf, an unfortunately common thing in Japan) and the redemption of her bully, actually had its publication delayed because a Japanese group sued to prevent it from being published. Why you ask? Because the manga revealed a dark side to Japanese society that foreigners rarely see or hear about, and the Japanese group wanted to prevent its publication to keep Japan from looking bad. No seriously. Funnily enough, A Silent Voice later got a film adaptation from Kyoto Animation.

America arguably takes it too far though to where you get stuff like SJWs that really seem to just hate everything about America.

Japan is one of the few first world countries that doesn't apologize for itself and that's one thing that I admire, but of course I guess you can say they also take it a little too far to where serious issues get swept under the rug.

But I dare say that's the lesser of two evils than what we have in America which is a sizable percentage of our populace that are filled with nothing but self loathing.

It's an imperfect world, is it sometimes not better to just say "fuck it" and not let imperfections bring you down than the SJW method of endless self flagellation?

Bender said:
I honestly didn't know about that, but now that I think about it it really does throw some shade at the Japanese educational system for allowing bullying to happen.

And look at the American educational system that doesn't allow any bullying at all and look at what that has wrought.

RomanesEuntDomus · May 8, 2020

AnOminous said:
This would be a lot worse if their cops weren't also really careful about only charging people they are practically sure are guilty, to the point they're often criticized for letting people get away with shit. And sometimes they're inexplicably lenient, like with the vermin who killed Junko Furuta.

Unfortunately, this does not protect innocent people, it just means that Japanese cops will laser-focus their attention to built as strong a case against someone as they can, once they declare someone the prime suspect. Political pressure to find the culprit soon for a highly volatile case will make this worse a lot.

Stuff like Junko Furuta, I legitimately wonder if money exchanged hands during that fiasco. One of the culprits was said to have some minor ties to the Yakuza (iirc), so that might explain the cops reluctance to do anything, too. Most likely, they assumed it would turn out to be the regular kind of crime. You know... gangraping the girl over and over until they get bored and then throw her out, where Junko joins the massive number of unreported rape victims. And then they end up with... well. Don't make me think about it too much.

Dom Cruise said:
It's true, but some aspects of American society are rotten to the core as well.

It's true of any society, that's just the world we live in.

Oh definetly. Every society has a truckload full of shit that they don't want to talk about. It's just that Japan seems to get a free pass on many of these things solely cause they create moeblob isekai crap and that makes me genuinely happy. Nothing wrong with enjoying Japanese pop culture, I do so, too. Nothing wrong with not spending too much time thinking about the depressing depths that some people can sink to... but I absolutely loathe those that go "Japan is a perfect country without bad things! They made POKEMANS N STUFF". The vapid consumerism that makes people willfully ignore soulcrushingly huge issues on a national scale just disgusts me.
on a sidenote, is that avatar from the same artist as Aika?

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
The difference is that Americans like to talk about what's wrong with their country ad-nauseum, no matter where they are politically (though the perceived problems may change). The Japanese pretend like their problems and issues don't exist and get defensive when people bring them up.

I'm reminded of how A Silent Voice, the Japanese manga which dealt with the bullying of a deaf Japanese girl (just because she was deaf, an unfortunately common thing in Japan) and the redemption of her bully, actually had its publication delayed because a Japanese group sued to prevent it from being published. Why you ask? Because the manga revealed a dark side to Japanese society that foreigners rarely see or hear about, and the Japanese group wanted to prevent its publication to keep Japan from looking bad. No seriously. Funnily enough, A Silent Voice later got a film adaptation from Kyoto Animation.

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Dom Cruise said:
America arguably takes it too far though to where you get stuff like SJWs that really seem to just hate everything about America.

Japan is one of the few first world countries that doesn't apologize for itself and that's one thing that I admire, but of course I guess you can say they also take it a little too far to where serious issues get swept under the rug.

But I dare say that's the lesser of two evils than what we have in America which is a sizable percentage of our populace that are filled with nothing but self loathing.

It's an imperfect world, is it sometimes not better to just say "fuck it" and not let imperfections bring you down than the SJW method of endless self flagellation?

To chime in on that thing: My personal issue isn't so much with the Japanese, they usually know that their country has some issues, they just prefer not to talk too much about them in public, especially with foreigners. Saving face and all that jazz. It's more about people being consumerist asshats, that knowingly ignore some inacceptable shit, cause there's more Japanese pop culture to mindlessly consume.

In that sense, someone being an avid fan of Japanese pop culture, who has no idea about some of the shit that's going on in Japan... well, I don't care. But someone willfully staying ignorant or worse even, ignoring it when they are presented with the facts, that's annoying as fuck.

When it comes to the Japanese being unapologetic, that's a whole other can of worms.
Japan likes to sweep things under the rug. Aids? Well, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Aids doesn't exist in Japan. Similarly, the Wu Flu or rape clubs in universities. I shit you not, there are some universities that got into trouble cause they had inofficial rape clubs. And then you've got insanely xenophobic statements by politicians or outright insanity.
In 2011, the mayor of Tokyo (iirc) said that the ones that died in the Tsunami catastrophe had been punished by god for not being TRUE and HONEST in their Japanese ways and that the Japanese have to get back to their traditional values. That is some really fucked up shit.

When I say Japan is rotten to the core, I don't mean everyone, I just want to point out that there's issues that cut deep into the everyday life, that one simply can't and shouldn't ignore. And to treat Japan as a sacred shangri-la is beyond ridiculous. I love that nation, I love its people and I love a lot of shit that comes from there, but holy shit. I would never want to pretend that everything's fine in that nation.

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz · May 8, 2020

Dom Cruise said:
America arguably takes it too far though to where you get stuff like SJWs that really seem to just hate everything about America.

Japan is one of the few first world countries that doesn't apologize for itself and that's one thing that I admire, but of course I guess you can say they also take it a little too far to where serious issues get swept under the rug.

But I dare say that's the lesser of two evils than what we have in America which is a sizable percentage of our populace that are filled with nothing but self loathing.

It's an imperfect world, is it sometimes not better to just say "fuck it" and not let imperfections bring you down than the SJW method of endless self flagellation?

And look at the American educational system that doesn't allow any bullying at all and look at what that has wrought.

I'd say that Japan and America exist on a spectrum, and both countries are at the extreme ends of the spectrum. On the one hand, you have a country constantly in-denial about its problems till can no longer ignore them, and culture that values saving face more than things like truth or justice. While on the other, you have a country filled with people who hate it or think its horrible for injustices their grandfathers may or may not have done, who feel ashamed for the fact that they live in a country with such a dark past while still benefiting from the fruits of the people that came before. Like many things, the ideal is somewhere in the middle. Acknowledging the past and that bad things have happened and acknowledging what problems are still going on today, but abstaining from self-loathing and refusing to acknowledge the tremendous strides that have been made sense.

America's handling of bullying is nowhere near perfect, but Japan's is infinitely worse. It would be accurate to say that Japan has a bullying culture that pervades society from top to bottom, where anyone who stands out in anyway or has "迷惑をかけること" or "a thing that causes troubles to others" will be bullied and attacked incessantly by others for not fitting into the group or conforming to general society. And that thing that causes trouble to others can be anything, even things the person cannot change, such as their appearance, physical condition, your parents origin, being adopted, being born out of wedlock, getting sick, etc. Case in point:

Dom Cruise · May 8, 2020

RomanesEuntDomus said:
Unfortunately, this does not protect innocent people, it just means that Japanese cops will laser-focus their attention to built as strong a case against someone as they can, once they declare someone the prime suspect. Political pressure to find the culprit soon for a highly volatile case will make this worse a lot.

Stuff like Junko Furuta, I legitimately wonder if money exchanged hands during that fiasco. One of the culprits was said to have some minor ties to the Yakuza (iirc), so that might explain the cops reluctance to do anything, too. Most likely, they assumed it would turn out to be the regular kind of crime. You know... gangraping the girl over and over until they get bored and then throw her out, where Junko joins the massive number of unreported rape victims. And then they end up with... well. Don't make me think about it too much.

Oh definetly. Every society has a truckload full of shit that they don't want to talk about. It's just that Japan seems to get a free pass on many of these things solely cause they create moeblob isekai crap and that makes me genuinely happy. Nothing wrong with enjoying Japanese pop culture, I do so, too. Nothing wrong with not spending too much time thinking about the depressing depths that some people can sink to... but I absolutely loathe those that go "Japan is a perfect country without bad things! They made POKEMANS N STUFF". The vapid consumerism that makes people willfully ignore soulcrushingly huge issues on a national scale just disgusts me.
on a sidenote, is that avatar from the same artist as Aika?

Well yeah, Japan isn't perfect.

....but maybe it's the closest thing to a perfect place in this very imperfect world? I kid! I kid!

Does anyone outside of their early teens really think of Japan as being perfect though? I know for me, I find Japan fascinating in general, even the dark side is interesting to me, acknowledging Japan isn't perfect doesn't make me love it any less, it just makes it seems more real.

Of course everywhere on this Earth has it's dark side.

And yes, my current avatar is from an anime by the same creator of Aika.

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
I'd say that Japan and America exist on a spectrum, and both countries are at the extreme ends of the spectrum. On the one hand, you have a country constantly in-denial about its problems till can no longer ignore them, and culture that values saving face more than things like truth or justice. While on the other, you have a country filled with people who hate it or think its horrible for injustices their grandfathers may or may not have done, who feel ashamed for the fact that they live in a country with such a dark past while still benefiting from the fruits of the people that came before. Like many things, the ideal is somewhere in the middle. Acknowledging the past and that bad things have happened and acknowledging what problems are still going on today, but abstaining from self-loathing and refusing to acknowledge the tremendous strides that have been made sense.

America's handling of bullying is nowhere near perfect, but Japan's is infinitely worse. It would be accurate to say that Japan has a bullying culture that pervades society from top to bottom, where anyone who stands out in anyway or has "迷惑をかけること" or "a thing that causes troubles to others" will be bullied and attacked incessantly by others for not fitting into the group or conforming to general society. And that thing that causes trouble to others can be anything, even things the person cannot change, such as their appearance, physical condition, your parents origin, being adopted, being born out of wedlock, getting sick, etc. Case in point:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=dnUq0Om-f78
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SIsndKkasfI

Well, their propensity for sweeping things under the rug really seemed like it came back to bite them in 2011, so certainly there's room for improvement.

And of course there's such a thing as too much bullying.

RomanesEuntDomus · May 8, 2020

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
America's handling of bullying is nowhere near perfect, but Japan's is infinitely worse. It would be accurate to say that Japan has a bullying culture that pervades society from top to bottom, where anyone who stands out in anyway or has "迷惑をかけること" or "a thing that causes troubles to others" will be bullied and attacked incessantly by others for not fitting into the group or conforming to general society. And that thing that causes trouble to others can be anything, even things the person cannot change, such as their appearance, physical condition, your parents origin, being adopted, being born out of wedlock, getting sick, etc.

Or things like: "your great great great great great grandfather lived near a part of town where butchers, undertakers and leatherworkers lived, therefore we can't give you a job in our company".
Think I'm kidding? There's an entire branch of private investigators that live off of nothing but finding out whether someone has ancestors that are Burakumin or ... from Korea. Up till a few decades ago, you'd have publically available genealogies that told you which family was of Buraku-descent or not. Burakumin used to be the lowest class of humans in ancient times, so low, in fact, they weren't even part of the caste system and essentially considered animals.
The discrimination against these people continues to this day and it can mean that you don't get the job you want, the apartment you want or the marriage you want. And there is no "benefit of the doubt" either.
For a very short time, Google Maps offered a service that allowed to look up an address and browse through different historical maps. It was meant as a fun little feature, to look up old maps and compare them to modern ones... Google had to discontinue that service, though, and one of the main reasons was that Japanese companies used it to look up who was living close to a former historical Buraku-area.

And in terms of "getting bullied over things that you have no control over", I know a Japanese woman, that told me her parents once had to show up in school to get chewed out by the teacher for the color of her hair. See, the problem was, that it wasn't pitch black, it was very very very dark brown (like, literally, no one would call it anything other than black, but it had a very faint chestnut hue to it rather than bluish black). So the teacher assumed that it was dyed and that the parents must be really lax to allow their daughter to run around with dyed hair.
I shit you not, the parents had to apologize to the school for their daughter not having hair that's sufficiently black. Poor girl was still bullied by her teachers, cause she stood out. This was 30 years ago, things aren't this bad nowadays, but still, it highlights how insanely petty Japanese people can be over the most ridiculous stuff.

thx1138 · May 8, 2020

Save the Loli said:
Japanese courts, prisons, and their legal system function as they always have historically, meaning they don't fuck around and they will fuck you up. They don't seem to have changed much since the late 19th century, and that's only because they aren't boiling people alive or crucifying them like they used to in Japan before the benevolent Meiji Emperor decided to copy the modern and just tactics of contemporary 19th century nations like Prussia, France, and Britain.

I thought he was pissed they plagiarized his work? Like Kyoani had a light novel submission contest where the winners got adapted into an anime, and this guy submitted one, lost, and then thought Kyoani took his ideas and made it into an anime (apparently it was Hibike Euphonium?). So he decided to burn down Kyoani's studio as revenge. It all sounds like the murder of Dimebag Darrell, where a crazy fan of his thought he stole his music and shot him dead on stage along with some other people in the audience.

There's a lot of hearsay in this case and I wouldn't be surprised if it's just shit being dripfed from the intrepid reporters of 2ch/5ch/whatever the fuck it's called now (so about as reliable as weirdos on 4chan or Kiwifarms) to the gaijin internet in the usual shitty translations and repeated as fact. AFAIK there are no official comments as to the lunatic's motive.

I'll take your word for that one; I just recollect (remember, I'm an old guy and may have my details mixed up, the last Japanese cartoon I watched was Akira) that there was something about symphony music, they put an ad on a subway car in Japan, and it showed the characters playing a symphony, and he (the dude in question) was super pissed 'cause he had written or drawn something with one of the characters playing a violin?

I should reread the thread, I'm starting to sound like Clint Eastwood off his vasopressin.

CWCchange · May 8, 2020

LOL, two whole pages of Japanese societal cliches, myths, and misconceptions stemming from isolated incidents, devoid of reason and critical analysis amplified by foreign left-wing media, and probably Koreans whose country literally does function in the aforementioned fashion.

Look, I'm not saying that there aren't issues, but you know... I'll give a First World country where there's less murders in a year than a week in Chicago, where ninety-five percent of the population is its own people, and isn't under the immediate threat of brown peril, more the benefit of the doubt over what some faggot JET programme who has never had a proper job in their native country, is triggered for being told to BTFO when believing they should be on top of the world.

AnOminous · May 8, 2020

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
The difference is that Americans like to talk about what's wrong with their country ad-nauseum, no matter where they are politically (though the perceived problems may change). The Japanese pretend like their problems and issues don't exist and get defensive when people bring them up.

I think Americans respect Japanese more than the reverse. We had to nuke these bitches twice. The first time, we said we can do that again, and they just said fuck you, do it again. And then we did and have been really sad about it ever since.

AnOminous · May 8, 2020

RomanesEuntDomus said:
When I say Japan is rotten to the core, I don't mean everyone, I just want to point out that there's issues that cut deep into the everyday life, that one simply can't and shouldn't ignore. And to treat Japan as a sacred shangri-la is beyond ridiculous. I love that nation, I love its people and I love a lot of shit that comes from there, but holy shit. I would never want to pretend that everything's fine in that nation.

Treating any nation as some kind of perfect utopia is, weirdly, an inverse form of racism where you create some noble savage myth about some culture that isn't your own. You hope it's better than your own, but because all cultures are made up of humans, it's really just as bad as your own.

haurchefant · May 8, 2020

RomanesEuntDomus said:
Unfortunately, this does not protect innocent people, it just means that Japanese cops will laser-focus their attention to built as strong a case against someone as they can, once they declare someone the prime suspect. Political pressure to find the culprit soon for a highly volatile case will make this worse a lot.

Stuff like Junko Furuta, I legitimately wonder if money exchanged hands during that fiasco. One of the culprits was said to have some minor ties to the Yakuza (iirc), so that might explain the cops reluctance to do anything, too. Most likely, they assumed it would turn out to be the regular kind of crime. You know... gangraping the girl over and over until they get bored and then throw her out, where Junko joins the massive number of unreported rape victims. And then they end up with... well. Don't make me think about it too much.

Oh definetly. Every society has a truckload full of shit that they don't want to talk about. It's just that Japan seems to get a free pass on many of these things solely cause they create moeblob isekai crap and that makes me genuinely happy. Nothing wrong with enjoying Japanese pop culture, I do so, too. Nothing wrong with not spending too much time thinking about the depressing depths that some people can sink to... but I absolutely loathe those that go "Japan is a perfect country without bad things! They made POKEMANS N STUFF". The vapid consumerism that makes people willfully ignore soulcrushingly huge issues on a national scale just disgusts me.
on a sidenote, is that avatar from the same artist as Aika?

and

To chime in on that thing: My personal issue isn't so much with the Japanese, they usually know that their country has some issues, they just prefer not to talk too much about them in public, especially with foreigners. Saving face and all that jazz. It's more about people being consumerist asshats, that knowingly ignore some inacceptable shit, cause there's more Japanese pop culture to mindlessly consume.

In that sense, someone being an avid fan of Japanese pop culture, who has no idea about some of the shit that's going on in Japan... well, I don't care. But someone willfully staying ignorant or worse even, ignoring it when they are presented with the facts, that's annoying as fuck.

When it comes to the Japanese being unapologetic, that's a whole other can of worms.
Japan likes to sweep things under the rug. Aids? Well, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Aids doesn't exist in Japan. Similarly, the Wu Flu or rape clubs in universities. I shit you not, there are some universities that got into trouble cause they had inofficial rape clubs. And then you've got insanely xenophobic statements by politicians or outright insanity.
In 2011, the mayor of Tokyo (iirc) said that the ones that died in the Tsunami catastrophe had been punished by god for not being TRUE and HONEST in their Japanese ways and that the Japanese have to get back to their traditional values. That is some really fucked up shit.

When I say Japan is rotten to the core, I don't mean everyone, I just want to point out that there's issues that cut deep into the everyday life, that one simply can't and shouldn't ignore. And to treat Japan as a sacred shangri-la is beyond ridiculous. I love that nation, I love its people and I love a lot of shit that comes from there, but holy shit. I would never want to pretend that everything's fine in that nation.

But they don't have SJWs so that magically makes it okay. You know, we should definitely sponsor an exodus to Japan for everyone that's sick of how many special snowflakes are in America. I'm sure nothing would go wrong, and they would be much happier.

Bender · May 8, 2020

CWCchange said:
LOL, two whole pages of Japanese societal cliches, myths, and misconceptions stemming from isolated incidents, devoid of reason and critical analysis amplified by foreign left-wing media, and probably Koreans whose country literally does function in the aforementioned fashion.

Look, I'm not saying that there aren't issues, but you know... I'll give a First World country where there's less murders in a year than a week in Chicago, where ninety-five percent of the population is its own people, and isn't under the immediate threat of brown peril, more the benefit of the doubt over what some faggot JET programme who has never had a proper job in their native country, is triggered for being told to BTFO when believing they should be on top of the world.

Feel free to join us and tell us what everyone's gotten wrong, friendo.

AnOminous · May 8, 2020

I want to come inside Japan.

Sinner's Sandwich · May 8, 2020

CWCchange said:
LOL, two whole pages of Japanese societal cliches, myths, and misconceptions stemming from isolated incidents, devoid of reason and critical analysis amplified by foreign left-wing media, and probably Koreans whose country literally does function in the aforementioned fashion.

Look, I'm not saying that there aren't issues, but you know... I'll give a First World country where there's less murders in a year than a week in Chicago, where ninety-five percent of the population is its own people, and isn't under the immediate threat of brown peril, more the benefit of the doubt over what some faggot JET programme who has never had a proper job in their native country, is triggered for being told to BTFO when believing they should be on top of the world.

Fuck off, japanophile fag.

Liber Pater · May 8, 2020

Jamila said:
To be fair, a lot of what is presented online about Hisashi Ouchi is from anti-Japanese people from China and creepypasta Youtubers. That picture that keeps being passed around as Ouchi (the one that basically looks like a skeleton with their arms and legs suspended) is not him. His family consented to his treatments. There is a documentary that shows actual footage and pictures as well as interviews from his doctor and nurses.

Documentary about Tokaimura Nuclear Accident (with English subtitles)

(Please turn the English subtitles on.) (To see both the Japanese transcript and the English translation, click here .) The ICU of the...

pkc107.blogspot.com

Apologies for necroreplying, but I just noticed this post now that the thread has become active again. Does anyone know where the famous picture actually comes from? I have seen it attributed to Ouchi many times, but I have never seen it attributed to anyone/anywhere else. It's such a memorable image, and I am curious where it actually comes from.

CWCchange said:
Look, I'm not saying that there aren't issues, but you know... I'll give a First World country where there's less murders in a year than a week in Chicago, where ninety-five percent of the population is its own people, and isn't under the immediate threat of brown peril, more the benefit of the doubt

People are downvoting you, but I think you are right on this particular point about demographics. Japan's political and economic structure has a lot of dysfunctions, and most nations would not be able to make such an inflexible, informal system work. However, the high power distance and robust social cohesion/trust that comes with homogeneity and high in-group affinity can produce incredible stability (along with some other social benefits) under more or less any political/economic system. You could switch the populations of the US and Japan without initially changing any laws or institutions and you would probably see the same types of differences between the two countries emerge/re-emerge very quickly.
I tend to give the Japanese nation credit for the country's success moreso than I do the Japanese state. In some ways, I actually think that the latter is holding back the former.

Bender · May 8, 2020

AnOminous said:
I want to come inside Japan.

Found the American marine stationed in Okinawa.

Dom Cruise · May 8, 2020

AnOminous said:
I want to come inside Japan.

Fun fact: according to folklore the islands that make up Japan are literally cum splotches jizzed into the ocean by a Kami.

Maybe that would explain why they get into such kinky sex stuff?

Bender · May 8, 2020

Dom Cruise said:
Fun fact: according to folklore the islands that make up Japan are literally cum splotches jizzed into the ocean by a Kami.

Maybe that would explain why they get into such kinky sex stuff?

Lewd.

Too Many Catgirls · May 8, 2020

Bender said:
IMO, replacing a building that was burnt down in a terrorist attack into a memorial site doesn't sound like the right way of honouring the dead, hell it might even become a shrine to the terrorist too, since there's a lot of crazies in the world. Make a memorial site, sure, but don't put it where those people were murdered.

Build an efficient office building.

Bender · May 8, 2020

Too Many Catgirls said:
Build an efficient office building.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, the best way of honouring the people who died is to make the workplace safer moving forwards. Several deaths could've been avoided with a fire escape out the back and some fire extinguishers. Also they need to increase security.

And keep the memorial far away. Since KyoAni use real-life places for some backgrounds, maybe they could make several memorials and spread them out in several of those locations.

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